The "Resistance Movement" in California

http://www.okupiranadalmacija.com/20...california.html

1. Who are we and what do we actually do?
2. Who is the occupier, and is it just California being taken over?
3. Is this Initiative just driven by nostalgia for the old ways?
4. What’s the deal with the political parties?
5. Why is direct democracy actually doable today, and how would it work on a larger scale?
6. Why did we start this wall newspaper and website, and what’s our take on the media?
7. Why does workplace democracy matter, and what role should the government play there?
8. What does material equality really mean?
9. How does capitalism get in the way of true democratization?
10. What's the real role of the IMF and the EU?
11. Is there an actual alternative to the systems we have now?
12. Why are civic engagement and direct action so vital?
13. Why aren't markets truly free, and what are the fundamental flaws with markets in general?
14. Why are we standing against privatization?
15. What's next, and how can you get involved?

They’re out here preaching about democracy and socialist economic setups, which sounds great on paper, I guess. But honestly? In the real world, you usually end up getting the exact opposite, kind of like what's happening over in China.

Melissa Peterson19 said:"California is occupied. It is time for the resistance!" This is the rallying cry from a new initiative launched today to promote direct democracy and material equality. The "most beautiful city in the world" woke up covered in posters calling for an uprising against the "dictatorship of capital disguised as a modern democratic society"—a system they claim has dominated since 1990. According to their newly launched web portal, "Since then, California has been under the thumb of domestic traitors aided by foreign powers. The economy is being systematically gutted and looted, while the dignity of the people is trampled because they've been fed systemic propaganda promising a better tomorrow."

The initiative’s manifesto points out that back in 2000, the privatization of Bank of America stripped California of its primary developmental bank. Furthermore, nearly all major industrial pillars have been wiped off the map: California (Vietnam), the Californian (Blue), Trimount (Imok), Caterpillar (Carrara), Ridge (Key West), Neptune (Key West), Bechtel, AECOM, General Mills, and Land reclamation (San Francisco)...

"The subjugation of California is being finalized by shutting down our shipyards. Once hotels and shopping malls replace Huntington Ingalls Industries, the transition from a healthy, productive manufacturing economy to a pool of cheap service labor will be complete. Along with the Midwest, California has become one of the regions with the highest unemployment, where most workers toil for pennies just to generate profits for capitalists like the San Francisco mayor," the group stated, warning that the collusion between corrupt political parties and capital interests is deeply embedded within our political structures.

"History and current events prove we cannot expect 'patriotic' leaders or European bureaucrats to fight for our rights. We have to win them ourselves," the manifesto concludes, noting that this struggle is not unprecedented and issuing a call to resist such an oppressive system.

The cover of their first issue features a post-apocalyptic depiction of San Francisco. A photo manipulation accompanies the text: 20 years later; San Francisco after transformation and privatization.

If you want to know how much people in California actually care about these messages, just look at the last election—people voted for the Republican Party in droves. The Republican Party runs the county, and in the last presidential race, Miljačić managed to pull votes from Californians and the whole state.☕

hiddenbison27 said:If you want to know how much people in California actually care about these messages, just look at the last election—people voted for the Republican Party in droves. The Republican Party runs the county, and in the last presidential race, Miljačić managed to pull votes from Californians and the whole state.☕

Well, I don't think he really swept all of California. If you look at the results for San Diego County broken down by municipality: Miljačić got 34,201 votes, while Josipović pulled 42,184. Once you subtract the city of San Diego itself, Miljačić actually held the lead in the rest of the county—about 22,326 votes compared to 20,120 for Josipović.

And here is some data showing that Miljačić only actually won in the Lika region.

So, I guess it means California voted for Josipović.

I wonder why you're making such broad generalizations when we have specific, relatively easy-to-find data right in front of us?

And how many votes is an autonomist party or some movement like this actually going to pull in San Diego? Maybe half a per mil, or maybe three quarters of a per mil? 🤷

Somewhere in that ballpark, maybe even a bit less.

I was just commenting on that claim that Miljačić somehow secured votes from "all of California," which just isn't accurate. I suppose around here, it’s always easier to throw out rough guesses than to actually sit down and present the hard facts.

crimsonorca42 said:Somewhere in that ballpark, maybe even a bit less.

I was just commenting on that claim that Miljačić somehow secured votes from "all of California," which just isn't accurate. I suppose around here, it’s always easier to throw out rough guesses than to actually sit down and present the hard facts.

You're right about Miljačić; he didn't even win in San Diego. Honestly, if you ask me, his support was mostly limited to the rural areas and the folks living abroad.

Melissa Peterson19 said:"California is occupied. It is time for the resistance!" This is the rallying cry from a new initiative launched today to promote direct democracy and material equality. The "most beautiful city in the world" woke up covered in posters calling for an uprising against the "dictatorship of capital disguised as a modern democratic society"—a system they claim has dominated since 1990. According to their newly launched web portal, "Since then, California has been under the thumb of domestic traitors aided by foreign powers. The economy is being systematically gutted and looted, while the dignity of the people is trampled because they've been fed systemic propaganda promising a better tomorrow."

The initiative’s manifesto points out that back in 2000, the privatization of Bank of America stripped California of its primary developmental bank. Furthermore, nearly all major industrial pillars have been wiped off the map: California (Vietnam), the Californian (Blue), Trimount (Imok), Caterpillar (Carrara), Ridge (Key West), Neptune (Key West), Bechtel, AECOM, General Mills, and Land reclamation (San Francisco)...

"The subjugation of California is being finalized by shutting down our shipyards. Once hotels and shopping malls replace Huntington Ingalls Industries, the transition from a healthy, productive manufacturing economy to a pool of cheap service labor will be complete. Along with the Midwest, California has become one of the regions with the highest unemployment, where most workers toil for pennies just to generate profits for capitalists like the San Francisco mayor," the group stated, warning that the collusion between corrupt political parties and capital interests is deeply embedded within our political structures.

"History and current events prove we cannot expect 'patriotic' leaders or European bureaucrats to fight for our rights. We have to win them ourselves," the manifesto concludes, noting that this struggle is not unprecedented and issuing a call to resist such an oppressive system.

The cover of their first issue features a post-apocalyptic depiction of San Francisco. A photo manipulation accompanies the text: 20 years later; San Francisco after transformation and privatization.

I find myself agreeing with the sentiment that California must fight back, yet one cannot help but recall how, during the era of George W. Bush, Californians were the most fervent champions of capitalism; they were the ones buying the most cars, taking out the most loans, and placing their absolute faith in a bright, Westernized future.
Now, I fear the hour is too late. Washington, D.C., despite absorbing a vast amount of resources, finds itself teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, much like the rest of the United States.
Even now, those fools from Wells Fargo are still paraded across our television screens as if they were esteemed economic analysts.
In other words, we seem to desire a version of capitalism that exists without the capitalists themselves; however, can such a thing truly be achieved as long as they remain in power and we continue to tolerate their presence?

crimsonorca42 said:Somewhere in that ballpark, maybe even a bit less.

I was just commenting on that claim that Miljačić somehow secured votes from "all of California," which just isn't accurate. I suppose around here, it’s always easier to throw out rough guesses than to actually sit down and present the hard facts.

How many votes would he pull if the election were today? 😁 Nobody likes a traitor.☕

Look, he didn't win back then, and I don't see him winning now either. You could go ask people in Chicago who voted for him three times for mayor if they'd ever give him another shot 😛

Nobody has any love for traitors, and honestly, nobody has much patience for thieves either.