All-day school schedules

shadowtiger0 said:I see you're quick on the uptake 😁

Not condescending at all—quite the opposite. It's hard work. The hardest kind. The fundamentals are always the toughest part of any subject. AND THAT IS NOT SARCASM—do you get it now? 😁

If you're going to quote someone, try quoting Far Coast instead of Mio Kekin. Oh, wait. He's just like you—a linguistics enthusiast.

"U'r" is slang, and clearly, you don't have much of a handle on it for someone claiming to be an English professor.

I lived in the States for a while, so I picked up a bit more than just the textbook stuff.

Why do you think my kids don't enter speech competitions?

Good grief, who am I even arguing with...🤦

Honestly, same here. I'm stuck in a debate with some wannabe alpha who showed up just to build a monument to himself under the guise of "education." Go ahead, go back to your faculty lounge and flex those muscles.

nimblelynx7 said:First point. Who is making this claim? Or better yet, where is it actually written down?

In the USA, it’s all in the laws—and since every state does its own thing, it varies wildly; some have a floor of 14, while others go as low as 9.
Over in the United Kingdom, the legal age is 12.
Just a quick rundown—I didn't dig through the other places just this second.
As for our own traditions, we know how it works—nobody's going to come knocking on your door to check up on you unless something actually catches fire.

Paul Davis2 said:In the USA, it’s all in the laws—and since every state does its own thing, it varies wildly; some have a floor of 14, while others go as low as 9.
Over in the United Kingdom, the legal age is 12.
Just a quick rundown—I didn't dig through the other places just this second.
As for our own traditions, we know how it works—nobody's going to come knocking on your door to check up on you unless something actually catches fire.

Those state laws aren't a benchmark for anything, let alone for how we raise our kids.

Under our family law, you can't just leave a preschooler unsupervised.

Paul Davis2 said:In the USA, it’s all in the laws—and since every state does its own thing, it varies wildly; some have a floor of 14, while others go as low as 9.
Over in the United Kingdom, the legal age is 12.
Just a quick rundown—I didn't dig through the other places just this second.
As for our own traditions, we know how it works—nobody's going to come knocking on your door to check up on you unless something actually catches fire.

Under American family law, preschool-aged kids aren't allowed to be left unsupervised. But once a kid actually starts school? There isn't really any restriction in place, so there's basically no reason for anyone to even bother checking in on them.

nimblelynx7 said:Those state laws aren't a benchmark for anything, let alone for how we raise our kids.

Under our family law, you can't just leave a preschooler unsupervised.

That’s five points, but hey, it's just your take. The U.S. Attorney General for children has actually flagged this as a major concern lately—there have been countless articles over the last few years where she's specifically questioned about this exact issue.

Sarah Hall53 said:Under American family law, preschool-aged kids aren't allowed to be left unsupervised. But once a kid actually starts school? There isn't really any restriction in place, so there's basically no reason for anyone to even bother checking in on them.

No, it's absolutely brilliant here. You've got seven-year-olds left totally unsupervised in high-rise apartments on the seventh floor—just hanging out home alone for hours on end. Perfection.
Oh, wait—I forgot. We're genetically gifted, aren't we? These kids spend their solo time being incredibly productive—drawing, reading, teaching themselves an instrument, maybe even brushing up on a second or third language.

Even now, ninety percent of them can point out the USA on a map without breaking a sweat. They aren't exactly losing sleep over the fear that a classmate might take out half the class and the teacher mid-lesson.

So, they get their stay until age ten—some even make it through fifth grade. After that? We don't need them. Those who have actually seen a street fighter in action understand exactly what these kids are capable of.

I mean, until they hit 18, they really ought to be under supervision—like, at least 8 hours a day, maybe even 10 if you're being thorough.

Jose Wells3 said:Even now, ninety percent of them can point out the USA on a map without breaking a sweat. They aren't exactly losing sleep over the fear that a classmate might take out half the class and the teacher mid-lesson.

So, they get their stay until age ten—some even make it through fifth grade. After that? We don't need them. Those who have actually seen a street fighter in action understand exactly what these kids are capable of.

Great. Our system is flawless, our teachers are the best in the world, and our kids have everything they could ever need. They go on to be massive successes later in life, and everyone globally wants a piece of them.

In these attempts at reform, things are being done backward on purpose—they ask the people who know nothing and ignore those who actually do. Everything is rushed, even when someone suggests a four-year pilot program before full implementation. It’s a lose-lose: they hate the experiment, yet they hate it if you don't run one. They should be consulting the faculty lounge—but of course, not the whole room, just the select few who "know." But how do you identify who knows, and how do you stop the others from labeling the experts as the ones who don't?

Do you realize this thing kicks in this September, yet the task force for the new curriculum didn't even get assembled until last month?
Yeah, they’re calling it a four-year pilot program—if you can even call it that—but honestly, it feels like they’re just scrambling to pull everything together at the very last second.

Sarah Hall53 said:Do you realize this thing kicks in this September, yet the task force for the new curriculum didn't even get assembled until last month?
Yeah, they’re calling it a four-year pilot program—if you can even call it that—but honestly, it feels like they’re just scrambling to pull everything together at the very last second.

The pilot is only hitting about 50 schools—fingers crossed yours isn't one of them.

Sarah Hall53 said:I mean, until they hit 18, they really ought to be under supervision—like, at least 8 hours a day, maybe even 10 if you're being thorough.

And that’s on top of regular school hours.

Paul Davis2 said:That’s five points, but hey, it's just your take. The U.S. Attorney General for children has actually flagged this as a major concern lately—there have been countless articles over the last few years where she's specifically questioned about this exact issue.

If we actually wanted to protect kids, we’d abolish the Attorney General's office entirely instead of constantly asking for her input. Nothing is perfect, and we already have enough problems—she doesn't need to go inventing new ones.

For decades, nobody could figure out how to extend after-school programs in all our schools through the 2nd or 3rd grade, yet now they're suddenly planning to implement them up through the 8th grade.
😂

Back when my older brother was in middle school, during those miserable stretches of rainy weather, they used to hold PE class right on the stairwells because there simply wasn't any other space available... They would have the kids running laps from the ground floor all the way up to the second, and that was just their version of physical education. Of course, you always had that one troublemaker who would inevitably shove someone down the steps every single time... Naturally, once the parents started lodging complaints, that particular student was taken off the active rotation and relegated to filling out charts with the teacher instead. And now, you hear people constantly making comparisons about how much better things are over in Switzerland or Finland... 🙏

Jose Wells3 said:Even now, ninety percent of them can point out the USA on a map without breaking a sweat. They aren't exactly losing sleep over the fear that a classmate might take out half the class and the teacher mid-lesson.

So, they get their stay until age ten—some even make it through fifth grade. After that? We don't need them. Those who have actually seen a street fighter in action understand exactly what these kids are capable of.

That’s assuming the goal isn't just to create cripples—and frankly, that looks exactly like the goal here.

rowdypanther12 said:For decades, nobody could figure out how to extend after-school programs in all our schools through the 2nd or 3rd grade, yet now they're suddenly planning to implement them up through the 8th grade.
😂

Yeah, right..

I’m really enjoying this thread. There are so many thoughtful and sensible points being made here. 👍

Looking at everything everyone has shared, I’d love to pitch an alternative to the Department of Education. Instead of just pushing for "all-day school," why not launch a comprehensive initiative called something like "21st century teaching"? Here is what I think that project should actually look like:

- Full-day programs in all elementary schools for grades K through 4.
- Modernizing and upgrading our schools so they actually match the era we live in.
- Adding proper kitchens, dining areas, and cozy lounge spaces in every building.
- Hiring more support staff—like janitors and cooks—and making sure they get a decent living wage.
- Giving teachers a much-needed raise.
- Increasing the number of specialists and counselors on campus.
- Beefing up tutoring and extracurriculars, while letting older students (if they're into it!) have the option to knock out their homework during school hours.

Did I miss anything?

That’s how you actually improve the school environment without turning these buildings into glorified prisons.

So, I was just reading through this and realized we’re actually seeing some pretty much identical ideas for reform being floated over here too: http://nastavnici.org/2023/03/23/zivot-u-skoli/

It feels like this reform isn't quite hitting the mark in terms of being truly revolutionary. 😁