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Patrick Castillo4 Patrick Castillo4 Member
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#61 ·
fadedtrucker8 said:It is illegal, I suppose...

But what choice do you really have if your work hours are 8:30 to 4:30 and after-school care is only offered for first graders? If you aren't in a financial position to hire private childcare for a seven-year-old because the local school district isn't able to provide extended care for second graders, you're stuck.😕


It isn't even illegal, really.

Section 94 of the Family Code
(1) Parents have a duty to protect, nurture, and provide for their child's needs.
(2) Parents may not leave a child of preschool age without adult supervision.

So, yeah, a kid who's already starting first grade doesn't fall under that "preschool" category anymore... it’s just that our perception of what's "safe" has shifted so much. I mean, looking back at our generation, we were practically walking to school alone and hanging out by ourselves all the time without anyone blinking an eye.
Amy Brooks9 Amy Brooks9 Newcomer
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#62 ·
Hey everyone,
I was wondering—if a kid misses school because they’re down with a cold or something else, do we get a discount on the school lunch bill or the after-school program fees for that month?
If anyone’s dealt with this before, please let me know how it works!
analogseal18 analogseal18 Active Member
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#63 ·
It really varies from one school district to the next. At our local elementary school, they’ll actually waive the lunch fee provided you give them a heads-up before the first bell rings to let them know the kid won't be coming in.

As for the children themselves—assuming they aren't dealing with any developmental delays or special needs—they ought to possess the maturity and capability to simply stay home if necessary. If they don't? Well, perhaps parents should take a moment to reflect on whether they are overprotecting their offspring. After all, isn't the entire purpose of upbringing to prepare a child for an independent life, taking it one small step at a time?
nimbleowl24 nimbleowl24 Newcomer
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#64 ·
Hey everyone, 🖑
I’m starting this thread hoping to connect with some parents who have kids in the full-day after-school program at Pojišan Elementary School in San Diego. To be honest, everything we had planned for this year went sideways back in April. By the time I finally got my head above water, I was running out of options, so I just pulled the trigger and enrolled my son there. Pedagogica hasn't been particularly helpful with the details, so if any of you could share what you know, I'd really appreciate it.
When do we actually sign the contracts with the school? Is there going to be a parent meeting before classes kick off? Also, does anyone know when or where they'll post the textbook list? And most importantly—how are you and your little ones actually liking the full-day setup at Pojišan Elementary School?
Thanks...
rustyscout84 rustyscout84 Newcomer
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#65 ·
The title says this thread is about full-day schooling, yet everyone keeps rambling on about after-school programs...

Someone actually pointed out on page 1—and they’re right—those two things aren't even remotely the same!

In a full-day program it usually looks something like this:
showing up at school
morning exercise
chatting and setting expectations with the kids
breakfast
1 hour of class
recess
outdoor play
1 hour of class
lunch
a walk
2 hours of class
a snack
heading home

Since classes are spread out across the entire day, you can't just swing by to grab your kid early. They have two different teachers handling the load.

With an after-school program / morning shift
- the kid stays in class with one teacher who covers all subjects, with quick 5-minute breaks plus a longer break (maybe 20-25 min) for breakfast
- the after-school instructor picks the students up once regular classes wrap up (around 4th or 5th period)
- in after-school care, the time is split between free time, organized activities, and study time or homework
- meals are provided in after-school care (could be hot or cold, depending on what the school offers)

An afternoon shift version of after-school care is basically the same deal, just flipped so the extra hours happen before classes start.

Because not every kid signs up for after-school care, you often end up with a mixed bag of students from different grades shoved into one group (until it fills up, which is a whole other headache). You generally don't see kids learning to read or memorizing texts during after-school hours because that requires serious focus, and that's almost impossible when you've got a group where everyone is working on totally different assignments. It really just comes down to the specific school, the teacher, and the vibe of the group.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#66 ·
As far as I know, there aren't any shifts at ZGB—or at least, I don't think anyone does them anywhere
Classes are always in the morning, and then after-school programs are in the afternoon.
Kimberly Green50 Kimberly Green50 Member
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#67 ·
Does anyone actually know which schools in the Washington, D.C. area are moving to full-day schedules this school year?
I saw some media buzz about a pilot program starting up, but I can't seem to track down a specific list of which schools are actually on it. Anyone have that info?

https://news.abcnews.com/us-news/education/full-day-school-pilot-program-details-4505391
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#68 ·
As for Washington, D.C., I’m guessing there might be a few spots right in the center—places that don't deal with many kids—so I could probably pull that off. Everything else is just SF.
Frank Scott Frank Scott Member
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#69 ·
There was supposed to be a public call for schools—or maybe there wasn't, I honestly have no clue. But from what I’ve gathered, only single-campus schools can even apply. Then again, I read somewhere else that it’s only going to apply to the elementary grades at first—basically just for the kids already in after-school programs—but who knows if that's actually true...
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#70 ·
Frank Scott said:There was supposed to be a public call for schools—or maybe there wasn't, I honestly have no clue. But from what I’ve gathered, only single-campus schools can even apply. Then again, I read somewhere else that it’s only going to apply to the elementary grades at first—basically just for the kids already in after-school programs—but who knows if that's actually true...

I really hope this stays limited to the younger kids for a while, maybe for at least the next two years.☕
I mean, the idea of teenagers stuck in all-day school programs feels a bit much, doesn't it?😱

I’m hoping this topic doesn't actually affect my family, and I'm mostly just reading this because I feel like I should stay informed, but I can't help but weigh in:

As of late May 2022, we still don't have any transparent data on which specific schools will be receiving these millions in funding from the federal loans that our generation will be paying off until the end of the century.🤔

Also, regarding the meals provided during these full-day programs, will that funding go directly to the Department of Education, or will local municipalities (like Washington, D.C.) still be footing part of the bill while parents cover the rest? In other words, will the food actually be free for the kids?
Will the cost of after-school care, which is currently split between the city and parents here in Washington, D.C., be shifted entirely to the federal government?

If they are simply rebranding "after-school care" as "full-day schooling," there might need to be some adjustments—maybe small ones, but important ones. For instance, they'll need to redefine employment contracts for the teachers working these programs, since their current pay often depends on parent contributions.

So many questions, and apparently so little time!
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#71 ·
Honestly, people need to get real here. What schools in Washington, D.C., actually have the logistics to pull that off—aside from maybe a tiny handful?
Around here, they can barely figure out how to fit German and Computer Science into the weekly schedule without everything clashing—so expecting a full split shift? I guess they’d practically have to build an entire extra wing on the fly just to make it work.
Then again, some of those private high schools run on an 8:00 to 4:00 schedule.
Usually, classes wrap up around 2:00, and then they stay until 4:00 for things like extracurriculars, tutoring, or just getting help with homework and essays.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#72 ·
If those two hours are optional, then that’s great.
I mean, imagine if you need help staying late to finish some schoolwork, and then you want to hit up a Starbucks on the way home. That would be perfect.
But if they actually have to stay for those two hours, that sounds pretty rough.
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#73 ·
rowdypanther12 said:If those two hours are optional, then that’s great.
I mean, imagine if you need help staying late to finish some schoolwork, and then you want to hit up a Starbucks on the way home. That would be perfect.
But if they actually have to stay for those two hours, that sounds pretty rough.

It's optional, obviously. Though a friend of mine mentioned she uses them quite a bit.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#74 ·
rowdypanther12 said:If those two hours are optional, then that’s great.
I mean, imagine if you need help staying late to finish some schoolwork, and then you want to hit up a Starbucks on the way home. That would be perfect.
But if they actually have to stay for those two hours, that sounds pretty rough.

That prep school—I can't remember the exact name—officially runs from 8 AM to 4 PM, and then kids stay late if they haven't mastered certain subjects. For example, if they're struggling with physics, they stay after class with the teacher to work through it. On paper, it looks amazing and great for enrollment (and it should be motivating), but it really frustrates teachers who feel forced to stay late. Plus, I've heard from the kids that they end up having to study at home anyway just to make sure they actually retained what happened during the day.
At the end of the day, how much a kid actually learns depends on the quality of the teacher and the student's own focus. If you get stuck with a mediocre teacher, you're essentially stuck with them all day long, instead of being able to have a parent help out or hire a private tutor, which is more realistic for most families.

I think it would be the same situation in elementary schools.
It makes sense for the younger grades, but for the older ones, it’s honestly a bit much.
We have to be realistic here; not every teacher is top-tier at keeping kids aged 8 to 17 engaged, and our schools aren't all equipped with enough facilities to let kids burn off energy through sports for two hours a day—like having access to pools, decent fields, or a wide variety of sports to choose from.
It’s fine to offer an extended day program rebranded as full-day instruction for elementary schools across the country, but forcing it onto every single student in every school is just unnecessary.
And let's be honest, where are they going to find enough teaching assistants to cover three or four hours a day for everyone? They won't be able to afford it.
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#75 ·
rowdypanther12 said:If those two hours are optional, then that’s great.
I mean, imagine if you need help staying late to finish some schoolwork, and then you want to hit up a Starbucks on the way home. That would be perfect.
But if they actually have to stay for those two hours, that sounds pretty rough.

Honestly, I don't think it's brutal at all. In fact, I love the idea. As long as kids can actually leave school behind the second they walk out those doors, I'm on board.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#76 ·
Sure, but what kind of middle school actually gives you enough time to finish all the homework and study for every single test?
My little girl is pretty quick and organized, so in elementary school she just handles her assignments and projects, though she does spend a bit more time studying than that. 🤷
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#77 ·
hiddendriver34 said:Honestly, I don't think it's brutal at all. In fact, I love the idea. As long as kids can actually leave school behind the second they walk out those doors, I'm on board.

If we’re talking about extending the day for 1st through 3rd graders—which is basically what this "all-day schooling" rebranding is—most kids with average abilities, paired with a solid primary teacher and a good after-school instructor, can pretty much forget about school the moment those doors close at, say, 3:30 PM.
However, by 2nd grade, and especially by 3rd, a fair number of kids—whether they are gifted or struggling—just don't fit into that mold.
The high achievers get bored sitting around waiting for everyone else to catch up, while the kids who struggle (or have attention issues) aren't getting the specific support they need to master the material at their own pace.
And all of that assumes both teachers are highly skilled, know how to maintain discipline, and can keep kids motivated. Unfortunately, that isn't always the case.
I honestly don't even want to imagine what that looks like for 4th graders (since some schools offer after-school care then too) or the older kids in middle school.

Also, the concept of full-day schooling should be fundamentally different from just extended daycare hours. The idea that everything academic should happen within school walls is fine in theory, but it ignores the fact that many kids show zero interest in classroom subjects but are incredibly engaged with things outside of school—not to mention the kids who are naturally athletic or hands-on. If we force kids into a rigid school schedule for most of their waking hours, we might forget that we actually need future athletes, cellists, or kids with technical skills who know how to fix things or even just heat up their own lunch.

Making full-day schooling an option? Sure. But introducing it into American schools just because our instructional hours are lower than in other countries? No, no, and no.
The whole thing feels a bit messy, especially since credit was given for the project, yet just a few months before the start, we still don't even know which schools will be participating.
Personally, I think it would be wonderful if the funds that cities like New York currently spend on after-school programs were transferred directly to the Department of Education instead. Maybe that's the one silver lining here—simply because major cities are running such massive deficits, and it seems like we clearly can't afford to hire more childcare providers through local budgets alone.
Since the funding is being increased anyway, we might as well use it wisely.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#78 ·
Word on the street is this leaked—here’s the proposed hourly rate for full-day classes:

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shadowtiger0 shadowtiger0 Active Member
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#79 ·
And here I go again—I’m going to say it once more: there is just way too little ZK-proof tech being utilized these days.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#80 ·
Where on earth did this leak from? 😕 😲

So, religious studies is still stuck at two hours a week, yet they think one hour of digital literacy is enough 🙏
and they obviously just scrapped that whole critical thinking nonsense

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