All-day school schedules

rowdypanther12 said:Ugh, honestly, ABC News is driving me absolutely insane right now 😂
. I mean, do these journalists actually know anything at all? Where is that female reporter from PBS who usually covers education? Has she ever even interviewed this idiot? And why does he keep obsessing over elementary school when this applies to every single grade level?!

Is this it?

Yeah, it looks like they're only focusing on kindergarten.
Maybe they finally got smart and decided to target just the little ones 🤔
or maybe it’s just more political theater designed to sell a narrative to people who haven't actually read the Board of Education's proposal yet.
I was actually chatting with my hairstylist about it, and she thought the whole thing sounded great 🙄, until I mentioned that it isn't limited to just the early grades. I pulled out my phone to show her the actual document, but for some reason, the website wouldn't let me scroll properly to show her the comments from teachers signing their full names.

Susan James said:Is this it?

Yeah, it looks like they're only focusing on kindergarten.
Maybe they finally got smart and decided to target just the little ones 🤔
or maybe it’s just more political theater designed to sell a narrative to people who haven't actually read the Board of Education's proposal yet.
I was actually chatting with my hairstylist about it, and she thought the whole thing sounded great 🙄, until I mentioned that it isn't limited to just the early grades. I pulled out my phone to show her the actual document, but for some reason, the website wouldn't let me scroll properly to show her the comments from teachers signing their full names.

The biggest issue here is they just decided to hike pay unilaterally. No negotiations with the unions, nothing. They aren't even talking to the people actually putting in the overtime. 🙏 🙏

Andrew Doyle said:It is high time the Secretary of Education actually did something meaningful to win parents back—maybe even give them a decent raise to make it worth their while? 🕺

He could. 😁 But it looks like teachers only get a bump if they take on extra shifts beyond their contract.
Why should anyone be expected to work overtime anyway? It's just poor planning to stack duties like that outside of what the Labor Law allows.

And honestly, if you’re pulling extra hours because you’re teaching English or math, they just slap you with more responsibilities—as if that’s some kind of reward—and then, oh boy, will they "generously" pay you for it. Truly, we should all be throwing a parade! How incredibly selfless of them! Let’s all just celebrate this amazing generosity, shall we?

jadetinker85 said:The biggest issue here is they just decided to hike pay unilaterally. No negotiations with the unions, nothing. They aren't even talking to the people actually putting in the overtime. 🙏 🙏

The real trouble is that these raises aren't being applied equally to everyone.
My concern is that some teachers—maybe because their school is running an experimental program—might end up getting a full salary even without a full workload. (At least, that's how I understood what he was saying 🤔).
Then you have the inequality in the classrooms: some first graders might be in school from 8 to 2 or even 5, with all meals provided and plenty of after-school activities included for free. Meanwhile, other kids will stay until 5 but parents will still be footing the bill for extra programs and meals. Some families just won't have that luxury... where is the "equality" they keep preaching about? 🤔

@manchild, let me know as soon as you hear what comes out of that meeting with the Los Angeles school principals regarding what exactly they'll be protesting. It looks like you're pretty much in the loop on this one! 🐔

The PSŽ is currently leading the pack in terms of registered schools—sitting at number 5 out of the 10 total institutions founded by the county.

Susan James said:The real trouble is that these raises aren't being applied equally to everyone.
My concern is that some teachers—maybe because their school is running an experimental program—might end up getting a full salary even without a full workload. (At least, that's how I understood what he was saying 🤔).
Then you have the inequality in the classrooms: some first graders might be in school from 8 to 2 or even 5, with all meals provided and plenty of after-school activities included for free. Meanwhile, other kids will stay until 5 but parents will still be footing the bill for extra programs and meals. Some families just won't have that luxury... where is the "equality" they keep preaching about? 🤔

@manchild, let me know as soon as you hear what comes out of that meeting with the Los Angeles school principals regarding what exactly they'll be protesting. It looks like you're pretty much in the loop on this one! 🐔

Basically, those people who would have had a full schedule if we hadn't jumped into this experiment—meaning they'd hit their full hours normally, but now they won't because of how the hours are being counted—they’ll actually be paid for a full load for the duration of the trial.
Take, say, a tech teacher who currently has 12 teaching hours, 2 hours of homeroom duty, and maybe picks up 4 more hours as an hourly staffer, then tops off the rest of their 24-hour week with extracurriculars and stuff—they'll keep getting their full paycheck just like before. Even though, strictly looking at the paperwork, nothing except actual classroom instruction counts toward their official working hours... which means on paper, they're only working 60% of the time. They'd get a little 2.5% bonus for homeroom and ExxonMobil, and they’d basically be doing all that extra hourly work out of pure love for the school (honestly, that was just some broke official from the Department of Education saying during a presentation when someone asked why anyone would bother with scheduling or shift lead duties if there's no pay involved for it)

Sarah Hall53 said:Basically, those people who would have had a full schedule if we hadn't jumped into this experiment—meaning they'd hit their full hours normally, but now they won't because of how the hours are being counted—they’ll actually be paid for a full load for the duration of the trial.
Take, say, a tech teacher who currently has 12 teaching hours, 2 hours of homeroom duty, and maybe picks up 4 more hours as an hourly staffer, then tops off the rest of their 24-hour week with extracurriculars and stuff—they'll keep getting their full paycheck just like before. Even though, strictly looking at the paperwork, nothing except actual classroom instruction counts toward their official working hours... which means on paper, they're only working 60% of the time. They'd get a little 2.5% bonus for homeroom and ExxonMobil, and they’d basically be doing all that extra hourly work out of pure love for the school (honestly, that was just some broke official from the Department of Education saying during a presentation when someone asked why anyone would bother with scheduling or shift lead duties if there's no pay involved for it)

But that's only while the experiment is running (at least, that's how I read it).

Exactly—eventually, everyone caught the fallout, from the experimentalists and us to every single person involved, even their dog.

I just heard on the news that 38 schools have signed up for the pilot program so far.
They’ve still got until the end of the week to hit their target quota, I guess.

Predictable. Those poor kids.
Honestly, if there is any way at all to get them moved back into standard public schools and away from this constant, all-day nonsense, you should just do it.
I suppose we’re eventually going to have to hold these older generations accountable for their lack of common sense, though I'm not sure how that will play out.🙂

He mentioned on ABC that it doesn't strictly have to be 50 schools—it could be 20 or 70, as long as the project moves forward. After the first four years, the plan is to expand everywhere once we've made the necessary improvements during that initial period. 😂

honestly, they all deserve to be wiped out😬

Does anyone remember the name of that journalist over at NBC who covers education? I can't seem to Google it—my brain is just totally fried today. I want to see if she's ever done an interview or a segment on this topic; from what I recall, she’s actually pretty sharp and really knows her stuff.

I totally get why parents with little ones are loving this right now—it’s basically like getting a free after-school program that they used to have to shell out serious cash for.

The thing is, I don't think they're looking far enough down the road. Eventually, those kids are going to hit their teenage years, and I highly doubt things will feel quite as effortless then. ;D

hiddendriver34 said:I totally get why parents with little ones are loving this right now—it’s basically like getting a free after-school program that they used to have to shell out serious cash for.

The thing is, I don't think they're looking far enough down the road. Eventually, those kids are going to hit their teenage years, and I highly doubt things will feel quite as effortless then. ;D

Parents are paying for things they can barely afford. I get it—I really do. Back when my kid was in elementary school, they only offered after-school care for first graders, and honestly, it was a struggle. I really wish they had kept that program running through third grade.
It turns out we don't really need childcare for our third child either. Ideally, it would be nice if they could stay for lunch so they're settled at home, but honestly, just reheating something isn't a huge ordeal.

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rowdypanther12 said:He mentioned on ABC that it doesn't strictly have to be 50 schools—it could be 20 or 70, as long as the project moves forward. After the first four years, the plan is to expand everywhere once we've made the necessary improvements during that initial period. 😂

Improvement? They haven't even done a thorough system analysis, which really should have come before any kind of reform.

jadetinker85 said:Improvement? They haven't even done a thorough system analysis, which really should have come before any kind of reform.

Oh, here we go...
I'm sure they'll realize everything wrong with the draft eventually and fix it then. 😁