All-day school schedules

jadetinker85 said:Is he actually surprised? If he were working in a school, he wouldn't be so worked up about it.
I’m a little too old to be acting this shocked. 🤔

What an actor. What a breath of fresh air for the future of the American education system. Quite the visionary and philanthropist, isn't he?

He’s caught off guard. Usually, nobody breathes a word about how he handles things, but now people are actually vocalizing their complaints. It’s clearly a shock to him.

Look, you have to see where he's coming from, too. At the end of the day, he's a veterinarian.

It’s pretty interesting how they’re using reading literacy as an argument for moving to full-day schooling...
how poor America could ever manage without it, especially since we're sitting at seventh place (seventh!)

Singapore is the gold standard when it comes to reading literacy for kids aged 9 to 11, followed closely by students from Ireland, Hong Kong, Russia, Northern Ireland, England, and America. Some countries actually scored lower than Americans, including Lithuania, Finland, Poland, Taiwan—which landed at 12th—as well as Sweden at 13th and Germany at 26th.

Meanwhile, other nations like Canada hit 30th, Mexico took 33rd, and Mexico came in at 42nd, while the lowest averages were seen in Egypt, Morocco, and South Africa.

We’re just going to keep climbing. Soon enough, we'll be sitting at number one or two.

https://www.nytimes.com/how-they-did-it-in-podolia/

I mean, how did the folks over in Podolia come up with this plan? They’re only including first and fifth grades in the project this year, then switching to second and sixth next year. Just makes sense, I guess. 😁

jadetinker85 said:https://www.nytimes.com/how-they-did-it-in-podolia/

I mean, how did the folks over in Podolia come up with this plan? They’re only including first and fifth grades in the project this year, then switching to second and sixth next year. Just makes sense, I guess. 😁

From what I can gather, the schedule for next year looks like it'll cover the 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 6th grades—and after that, it seems like everyone will be included except for the 4th and 8th graders.

jadetinker85 said:https://www.nytimes.com/how-they-did-it-in-podolia/

I mean, how did the folks over in Podolia come up with this plan? They’re only including first and fifth grades in the project this year, then switching to second and sixth next year. Just makes sense, I guess. 😁

Well, I think that’s actually a better approach than what the Department of Education is doing right now.
That's kind of how an experiment should work... (though I have no idea what the parents of those future fifth graders were thinking when they voted, but hey, fair enough).

Parents with kids in first grade basically get to choose whether to enroll them in this local school or send them to the main district school that doesn't offer the CN program.
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Susan James said:Well, I think that’s actually a better approach than what the Department of Education is doing right now.
That's kind of how an experiment should work... (though I have no idea what the parents of those future fifth graders were thinking when they voted, but hey, fair enough).

Parents with kids in first grade basically get to choose whether to enroll them in this local school or send them to the main district school that doesn't offer the CN program.
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Someone clearly thinks forty-five minutes of daily study and homework time is enough to cover an overloaded curriculum and all these extra subjects.

Elvis Presley I'm sorry, I can't quite make that out—it looks like you might have sent an empty message or just the word "says." If there was something specific you wanted me to look at or rewrite, just toss it my way! I'm ready when you are.

So, if I’m following this correctly—and I might be overthinking it, typical me—parents of incoming first graders actually get a say in where their kid goes. It looks like they can choose between the local neighborhood school or heading over to the main district school that doesn't have the special education programs.
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Just a quick correction on that—so, Elvis Presley used to be their home school, but they actually split off from each other. Now both schools operate as their own independent main campuses and don't really have any connection left between them. 😉

Sarah Hall53 said:

Elvis Presley I'm sorry, I can't quite make that out—it looks like you might have sent an empty message or just the word "says." If there was something specific you wanted me to look at or rewrite, just toss it my way! I'm ready when you are.

So, if I’m following this correctly—and I might be overthinking it, typical me—parents of incoming first graders actually get a say in where their kid goes. It looks like they can choose between the local neighborhood school or heading over to the main district school that doesn't have the special education programs.
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Just a quick correction on that—so, Elvis Presley used to be their home school, but they actually split off from each other. Now both schools operate as their own independent main campuses and don't really have any connection left between them. 😉

Ah, I see what you mean now.
Still, parents should have the freedom to pick whichever school they prefer based on what CNN reports🤷

Personally, I don't have any issues with that kind of system, especially if the schools aren't miles away—it’s much easier if they're reachable by public transit or, even better, a dedicated school bus.

You definitely won't have access to the school buses—they only pick up kids who live within the specific district boundaries, so if you're outside that zone, you'll just have to figure out your own way there.

jadetinker85 said:https://www.nytimes.com/how-they-did-it-in-podolia/

I mean, how did the folks over in Podolia come up with this plan? They’re only including first and fifth grades in the project this year, then switching to second and sixth next year. Just makes sense, I guess. 😁

And when I pointed out how stupid this was, everyone acted like I was the one who didn't know what I was talking about. 🙄🙄🙄

Carl Bishop2 said:From what I can gather, the schedule for next year looks like it'll cover the 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 6th grades—and after that, it seems like everyone will be included except for the 4th and 8th graders.

I am genuinely curious if they actually called them over at the district headquarters—you know, if they were even selected. Because the official documentation explicitly states that every single grade from 1st through 8th is supposed to be included.
And honestly, this completely wrecks the entire planned implementation schedule by grade level! Not to mention that their results won't even be comparable to the other schools participating in the pilot program. I truly doubt this is going to fly.

hiddenseal14 said:I am genuinely curious if they actually called them over at the district headquarters—you know, if they were even selected. Because the official documentation explicitly states that every single grade from 1st through 8th is supposed to be included.
And honestly, this completely wrecks the entire planned implementation schedule by grade level! Not to mention that their results won't even be comparable to the other schools participating in the pilot program. I truly doubt this is going to fly.

Well, looking at it logically, if they want to compare schools using CN versus those without CN, they absolutely need to have control and experimental groups starting from the exact same baseline.
That’s precisely why you should be tracking kids right when they enter 1st grade—some will eventually end up in CN, while others won't. You could even set up another control group with kids who aren't in CN but, say, attend an after-school program in downtown Chicago.
You also have to account for things like preschool availability and attendance.

The way they’ve designed this "experiment" just doesn't work because the kids aren't all starting from the same place. For instance, one kid might have had high-quality preschool for their first three years. They probably had tons of activities and, from what I know, a very well-organized curriculum. They even identify gifted students and provide specialized support. How on earth are they going to compare those students to kids who spent their first six years of schooling without after-school programs, without extra enrichment, or maybe even without basic tutoring because their teacher was nearing retirement and wasn't focusing on those specific subjects?

From my perspective, it’s also a mistake to include students who started school during the 2019/2020 period. Those classes and students vary so much depending on how much isolation they dealt with and how differently teachers handled online learning—not to mention who was doing extra work with students at home.
Basically, the whole experiment feels poorly conceived because it's going to be nearly impossible to control for all these variables (and for that matter, I haven't seen any mention of which specific outcomes they’ll even be measuring).

So, the parents of future fifth graders here in Springfield who spoke up... besides potentially doing a disservice to their own children since these advanced kids don't actually need CN, they've essentially been lured into an experiment that won't produce any valid results.

Spot on, Monster. I’m with you there... they'll probably run some study, but the data's been all over the place since that big strike back in 2019.

The list of schools getting into the program will likely drop this week. That meeting with the principals on Thursday wasn't just for show—they were probably busy cooking up some battle plan to deal with the angry parents.

Also, the Children's Ombudsman released her statement

"Based on what we've gathered, children, parents, educators, and principals weren't actually consulted—their input wasn't sought out in any fair or thorough way. Kids, parents, and teachers—the ones actually running the show—aren't fully informed or ready for the content and logistical demands of this reform. We want to point out that under the Convention on the Rights of the Child, kids have a right to speak up on anything affecting them, and this is a massive issue for them."

Why are the teachers staying quiet? Probably because they have to... some were basically forced to get on board.

It’s already common knowledge which schools have been selected, and those principals have already been down to D.C. for the meeting.

A strategy aimed at dealing with those rebellious parents... 🤣

Duh, obviously they know.

Naperville - parents are staging a protest tomorrow

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hiddenseal14 said:And I wouldn't be surprised if you're one of those people making the most noise online, yet you clearly don't have a single clue how these educational reforms actually work.

Nowhere to be found, huh? Guess you've got nothing to say now that I was right all along.

Whatever, the fact is people were talking trash about me.🤦🤦🤦

The school lists are out.

It’s all just more trash, honestly (with a few exceptions)