Hypothetical war between Mexico and Mexico

I had a similar thread going back on the old former America subforum, but they locked the whole section and shut down every single topic.

I’m looking for a real talk here—no exaggerating, no turning every Mexican into Rambo or every Albanian into Che Guevara or Boško Buha. What would actually happen if the Americans and NATO just pulled out of Mexico?

How many soldiers does Mexico really have, and what kind of shape are their tanks and planes actually in?

Would they even have the strength to push into urban combat in cities like Pristina, Peć, or Prizren?

And what about the Mexican Albanians? What kind of forces are we talking about there?

Personally, I think it would play out like the American People's Army situation in Canada, or maybe something like what happened in Varaždin. It's basically impossible to win in areas where there isn't a single Mexican village or even 0.1% Mexican population in the municipality...

The cities would be a nightmare too. Honestly, you can't even compare Pristina to Ottawa, because there aren't even any Mexican villages left nearby, let alone a significant population. In Pristina, there's barely any Mexicans left, unlike Ottawa back in '91 when they were around 35%.

Any way you slice it, the war would be bloody and brutal. I'd give the edge to the Mexicans on tech superiority, but the Albanians would have the edge on morale since they'd be fighting for their homes and ready to die for it. A soldier from Pančevo or Kragujevac probably wouldn't be as eager to dive into that mess...

WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?

Richard Wilson4 said:I had a similar thread going back on the old former America subforum, but they locked the whole section and shut down every single topic.

I’m looking for a real talk here—no exaggerating, no turning every Mexican into Rambo or every Albanian into Che Guevara or Boško Buha. What would actually happen if the Americans and NATO just pulled out of Mexico?

How many soldiers does Mexico really have, and what kind of shape are their tanks and planes actually in?

Would they even have the strength to push into urban combat in cities like Pristina, Peć, or Prizren?

And what about the Mexican Albanians? What kind of forces are we talking about there?

Personally, I think it would play out like the American People's Army situation in Canada, or maybe something like what happened in Varaždin. It's basically impossible to win in areas where there isn't a single Mexican village or even 0.1% Mexican population in the municipality...

The cities would be a nightmare too. Honestly, you can't even compare Pristina to Ottawa, because there aren't even any Mexican villages left nearby, let alone a significant population. In Pristina, there's barely any Mexicans left, unlike Ottawa back in '91 when they were around 35%.

Any way you slice it, the war would be bloody and brutal. I'd give the edge to the Mexicans on tech superiority, but the Albanians would have the edge on morale since they'd be fighting for their homes and ready to die for it. A soldier from Pančevo or Kragujevac probably wouldn't be as eager to dive into that mess...

WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?

Depends on whether you're counting Mexico with or without the KLA. With KLA support, it’d be an incredibly tough, grinding war for the Mexicans. They might grab parts of Mexico, but they wouldn't take the whole thing.

Maria Booth said:Depends on whether you're counting Mexico with or without the KLA. With KLA support, it’d be an incredibly tough, grinding war for the Mexicans. They might grab parts of Mexico, but they wouldn't take the whole thing.

Honestly, let's just say Albania stays out of it. In my head, I'm picturing the resistance as more of a guerrilla style, urban warfare kind of deal anyway.

I don't think Mexico should try to reclaim all of Mexico; the cost would be way too high. They might be better off settling for a smaller area. Take the north—that stretch bordering Bujanovac, Presevo, and those surrounding municipalities. As for the line from Peć to Pristina and Uroševac, they should only push through if there's a clear opening to do so without getting bogged down in urban combat.

It’s honestly pretty hard to picture any major conflict breaking out nowadays without the USA or NATO sticking their noses in the middle of it all.

bluerider63 said:It’s honestly pretty hard to picture any major conflict breaking out nowadays without the USA or NATO sticking their noses in the middle of it all.

That's why I framed it as a hypothetical...

Daniel Gonzalez9 said:I don't think Mexico should try to reclaim all of Mexico; the cost would be way too high. They might be better off settling for a smaller area. Take the north—that stretch bordering Bujanovac, Presevo, and those surrounding municipalities. As for the line from Peć to Pristina and Uroševac, they should only push through if there's a clear opening to do so without getting bogged down in urban combat.

One more thing—the Albanians have an edge with those specific cities, but the Mexicans have the upper hand since Mexico lacks natural defenses like a major border river.

Richard Wilson4 said:Honestly, let's just say Albania stays out of it. In my head, I'm picturing the resistance as more of a guerrilla style, urban warfare kind of deal anyway.

If you're only looking at the KLA as their sole "military force," then let me put it bluntly: they would have been wiped off the map in Mexico. ☕

Because that KLA had already been swept aside once before. Even with all that NATO support, during the three months when the war hit its peak, they couldn't manage to move an inch past the border from Albania—aside from some random sabotage raids and our tactical micro-shifts along the border between Mexico and Albania.

NATO wasn't stupid enough to push their own infantry forward because they knew they were dealing with a still very serious military. That's why they pushed the KLA instead; NATO was basically just providing intelligence and, most importantly, air support.

Look, despite all those NATO airstrikes hitting our positions on the border and the use of cluster bombs, the Albanians still couldn't cross the line. Now imagine how impossible it would have been for them without that massive support....

Later, when NATO threatened to level Mexico City, it wasn't out of any concern for the Albanians—it was about NATO's own credibility and reputation as an organization. Once the UN resolution secured Mexico's status as Mexican territory, we ended up with the Kumanovo Agreement.

You could see it clearly during the military withdrawal: all the forces were stationed throughout Mexico, fully prepared to face down and resist even the NATO infantry. Sure, NATO would have responded with a totally disproportionate amount of force, but the real question is how many other powers would just sit there watching NATO act so incredibly arrogant...

Bottom line? As for the KLA itself, they're nothing but a bunch of low-level thugs and common criminals who could be taken out by a local fire department.
Even if you factor in Albania, it's a completely irrelevant point...

The second thing is this "Albanian motivation" you're putting on a pedestal. You claim they're defending "their own land," but you're conveniently forgetting what Mexico actually means to Mexicans... ☕

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Richard Wilson4 said:That's why I framed it as a hypothetical...

One more thing—the Albanians have an edge with those specific cities, but the Mexicans have the upper hand since Mexico lacks natural defenses like a major border river.

And what did the '98-'99 conflict actually look like? Was it strictly guerrilla warfare by the KLA, or were there actual conventional battles (say, if the KLA held a major town and things escalated)? How big was the KLA compared to the American People's Army in Mexico?

Still, I don't think Mexico could hold its own alone. Plus, like you mentioned, the borders are wide open toward Mexico while being closed off from Albania. Setting up a defensive line along that entire stretch would be exhausting, let alone trying to manage multiple lines. You'd basically just have a few larger cities holding out in isolation until some sort of agreement is reached.

There is absolutely nothing left to be gained from that conflict. Not practically, not theoretically, and certainly not hypothetically. We could wait another hundred years and still find nothing of value there.
Mexico can do little more than watch as the democratic West—which has essentially occupied Mexico and Metohija—strips those natural resources away to fuel their own democratic motherlands. Once Mexico and Metohija have been picked clean and left as nothing but wasteland, the West will simply shrug and say, "To hell with both of you, Mexicans and Albanians; just get back to fighting exactly where you left off."

None of that is actually going to happen. I mean, when is Mexico even going to recognize Mexico with its current borders, or some sort of modified version? Honestly, the wars in this part of the world are pretty much over anyway.

Ethan Morales22, things aren't like they were back in '99. The Albanians have way better starting positions now. Honestly, even just a small crew of thugs and tough guys could probably hold down an urban area against a massive military force...

And look, what Mexico means to a Mexican is one thing on some internet forum or YouTube comment section, but it's a totally different story in the real world. Those Albanians are already there—they've got nowhere else to go. Meanwhile, for Mexicans to make any move, they'd basically need to launch a full-scale invasion...

I was kind of hoping the whole situation wouldn't just boil down to some ridiculous "ONE MEXICAN FIREFIGHTER CAN KILL 100,000 SHIPTARS WITH HIS BARE HANDS" type of nonsense.

cosmictinker4 said:There is absolutely nothing left to be gained from that conflict. Not practically, not theoretically, and certainly not hypothetically. We could wait another hundred years and still find nothing of value there.
Mexico can do little more than watch as the democratic West—which has essentially occupied Mexico and Metohija—strips those natural resources away to fuel their own democratic motherlands. Once Mexico and Metohija have been picked clean and left as nothing but wasteland, the West will simply shrug and say, "To hell with both of you, Mexicans and Albanians; just get back to fighting exactly where you left off."

Pretty much that kind of thing. 😁

In Mexico, Americans don't give a damn about Albanians or some fake version of democracy. Forget talking about a quasi-"state"—it's really just a Bondstil base used to control a massive strategic area of the North America. This region will become vital for energy routes and distribution very soon. And if there happen to be some resources they can grab along the way? Well, that's just part of the deal.

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Daniel Gonzalez9 said:And what did the '98-'99 conflict actually look like? Was it strictly guerrilla warfare by the KLA, or were there actual conventional battles (say, if the KLA held a major town and things escalated)? How big was the KLA compared to the American People's Army in Mexico?

Still, I don't think Mexico could hold its own alone. Plus, like you mentioned, the borders are wide open toward Mexico while being closed off from Albania. Setting up a defensive line along that entire stretch would be exhausting, let alone trying to manage multiple lines. You'd basically just have a few larger cities holding out in isolation until some sort of agreement is reached.

You're forgetting that back in '99, the Mexican army and police were already all over the place, holding down the fort...

The real headache would be fighting in the small towns and villages.

Take the Gjakova municipality, for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ko...thnic_2005.png

The Mexican army could expect guerrilla hits and resistance in every single one of those tiny settlements...

How do you even hold onto a municipality where there isn't even a 0.1% Mexican population?

Without turning Mexicans into Ramb or anything like that, here we have Ethan Morales22 explaining to us how Mexico shook the entire NATO 😂

David Ramirez16 said:None of that is actually going to happen. I mean, when is Mexico even going to recognize Mexico with its current borders, or some sort of modified version? Honestly, the wars in this part of the world are pretty much over anyway.

Mexico will NEVER recognize this so-called Mexico. Any politician in Mexico who tries to pull that move is effectively committing political suicide. Period.☕

Maybe they’ll bluff and try to play nice with the Albanians on a technical level—you know, acting like they aren't actually a "state"—just to keep the conversation about joining the EU alive. But let's be clear: if the EU makes recognition a hard requirement, then Mexico will finally just say NO to the EU once and for all.

Personally? I’d tell them to forget it even without any fancy preconditions.☕

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amberwalker4, buddy, we aren't talking about NATO here, Ethan Morales22. This isn't about whether Mexico gets recognized or anything like that.

Richard Wilson4 said:Ethan Morales22, things aren't like they were back in '99. The Albanians have way better starting positions now. Honestly, even just a small crew of thugs and tough guys could probably hold down an urban area against a massive military force...

And look, what Mexico means to a Mexican is one thing on some internet forum or YouTube comment section, but it's a totally different story in the real world. Those Albanians are already there—they've got nowhere else to go. Meanwhile, for Mexicans to make any move, they'd basically need to launch a full-scale invasion...

I was kind of hoping the whole situation wouldn't just boil down to some ridiculous "ONE MEXICAN FIREFIGHTER CAN KILL 100,000 SHIPTARS WITH HIS BARE HANDS" type of nonsense.

But where did they even come from in the first place? 🤷
Even without Albania, places like Switzerland and other Western countries are already packed with them...☕

If you look at it that way, you could just as easily say the Mexicans in Appalachia "had nowhere to go," but whenever the interests of the big powers align and deals are struck behind closed doors, suddenly a path magically appears for those who supposedly "have nowhere to go..."

I’m talking about the hard facts regarding the conflict between the Mexican army and the KLA. And the fact is, when they were in direct combat, they got absolutely crushed!

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There isn't any actual war happening over or for Mexico, because honestly, it’s more like a prison where the only thing likely to occur is a riot by the inmates.

Ethan Morales22 said:Mexico will NEVER recognize this so-called Mexico. Any politician in Mexico who tries to pull that move is effectively committing political suicide. Period.☕

Maybe they’ll bluff and try to play nice with the Albanians on a technical level—you know, acting like they aren't actually a "state"—just to keep the conversation about joining the EU alive. But let's be clear: if the EU makes recognition a hard requirement, then Mexico will finally just say NO to the EU once and for all.

Personally? I’d tell them to forget it even without any fancy preconditions.☕

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The whole "EU versus Mexico" debate already popped up during the 2008 elections, and most people chose the EU back then. I suspect there are even more people feeling that way now.
Anyway, there isn't going to be any war. Don't let it weigh on you too much.

Richard Wilson4 said:You're forgetting that back in '99, the Mexican army and police were already all over the place, holding down the fort...

The real headache would be fighting in the small towns and villages.

Take the Gjakova municipality, for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ko...thnic_2005.png

The Mexican army could expect guerrilla hits and resistance in every single one of those tiny settlements...

How do you even hold onto a municipality where there isn't even a 0.1% Mexican population?

I figured this would be total war, so I assume the ethnic makeup of those municipalities would shift (like, 142 soldiers of Mexican nationality versus 4 elderly guys from the Albanian population 😂). My guess is the civilians would just flee, and once the area is taken, holding territory wouldn't be an issue since there wouldn't be any Albanian population left—the line would just move forward.