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Why are we so attracted to people who are unavailable?

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Edward Murphy4 Edward Murphy4 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
I’ve been noticing this pattern for a while now—this weird phenomenon where tons of people (especially the young and clueless🤷) just gravitate toward total disasters. We're talking the cynical, jaded types with that "don't give a damn" attitude who stay emotionally checked out... At first, I figured it was just women chasing after those unavailable guys, but honestly, I see men doing the exact same thing. And let’s be real, 99% of the time, these people end up getting burned, and then they start whining about it. So, what’s the actual endgame here? Are they really hoping that their belovedpartner will undergo some massive personality transplant because of their "undying love"? Or do they actually think they'll be the one lucky enough to finally see a soft side? Or what?🤷
Betty Chase54 Betty Chase54 Member
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joined Feb 2010
#2 ·
Drama & Curiosities

“All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.” Leo Tolstoy
Susan Harris89 Susan Harris89 Member
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#3 ·
It essentially boils down to an inferiority complex—this pervasive sense that they don't actually deserve anything better than damaged goods.
There is a certain element of playing the "savior" mixed with a touch of masochism, but beneath those two layers lies the same underlying issue: a deep-seated feeling of unworthiness.

I’ve certainly observed this pattern myself. The more I attempt to vindicate my patients, the more they seem to cling to me. It feels quite pathological, and honestly, it serves as a grim reminder that my initial decision to stop defending them was the right call 🙂 regardless of whether we are dealing with a man or a woman 🙂
copperfox52 copperfox52 Newcomer
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#4 ·
I’d say there’s definitely a connection back to how things went with our parents growing up. For instance, if you had a parent who was emotionally distant or just totally checked out, you might find yourself subconsciously chasing after that same kind of dynamic as an adult—almost like you're trying to get a "do-over" to finally fix what went wrong back then. But hey, that’s just my two cents as a layperson.

It feels like I fall into this pattern way too often where I end up fixated on someone who is either physically far away or just emotionally unavailable. Honestly, I would love it if a professional could jump into this thread and weigh in to help explain why this phenomenon happens.
Zachary Mendoza2 Zachary Mendoza2 Active Member
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#5 ·
You can find all sorts of rationalizations out there. Some people honestly believe they don't deserve better, so they're too afraid to even try for someone high-quality. Then you have those who view themselves as saints, convinced their endless love can somehow heal a broken person and turn them into something decent. And then there are the ones with massive egos who think they're too good for any of the five great options available, choosing instead to pick someone toxic just so they can "fix" them.

It’s all total bullshit. Broken people gravitate toward broken relationships. It's just a traumatized mind carrying the weight of the past, trying to relive that history in hopes of finally overcoming and healing it. Usually, it passes once they reach a certain level of maturity. As you get older, you start to realize how much stability actually matters. 👍
Gerald Castillo52 Gerald Castillo52 Newcomer
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#6 ·
Edward Murphy4 said:I’ve been noticing this pattern for a while now—this weird phenomenon where tons of people (especially the young and clueless🤷) just gravitate toward total disasters. We're talking the cynical, jaded types with that "don't give a damn" attitude who stay emotionally checked out... At first, I figured it was just women chasing after those unavailable guys, but honestly, I see men doing the exact same thing. And let’s be real, 99% of the time, these people end up getting burned, and then they start whining about it. So, what’s the actual endgame here? Are they really hoping that their belovedpartner will undergo some massive personality transplant because of their "undying love"? Or do they actually think they'll be the one lucky enough to finally see a soft side? Or what?🤷

This is a fascinating topic. Honestly, I think this might be the most compelling discussion we've had on this forum so far.

Now, listen up and pay very close attention:

There’s just something about the way James Dean leans against a bar, nursing a drink. It carries this certain... weight. A sense of raw power, I suppose. Personally? I don't quite buy into the hype, but I get why people do.
Watch how Superman touches down on the ground. When he finally hits the pavement after a flight, you can see that effortless confidence in his movement—he lands with this incredible sense of security, almost like a ballet dancer coming down on one foot. It’s just pure poise.
There’s something about watching Sylvester Stallone in *Cobra*. He just sits there with a crowbar in his mouth, effortlessly dismantling every single problem that comes his way. No frantic energy, no sweating through his shirt, none of that modern-day neuroticism or second-guessing. Just pure, unadulterated cool. He handles everything with this low-key, steady tone and those piercing eyes that seem to see right through the chaos. It’s a masterclass in composure that we could all probably use a little more of.
I could go on listing similar examples until tomorrow, but the real point here is that every single trait they're highlighting seems designed to grant them some sort of superhuman quality—some kind of divine power or absolute dominance.
Everyone they mention seems to have it all figured out. They’re always the most beautiful people in the room, life is just one seamless victory lap, and they never, ever hit a snag. They don't stumble, they don't cry, and they certainly aren't lacking anything. In their world, everyone is a hero, twenty-four/seven.
Everything I just laid out there? That’s what I call "Lafism."
To me, "lifestyle" isn't just a buzzword; it’s an entire ethos. It’s about more than just looking good—though that’s a huge part of it. We’re talking about a certain kind of polished perfection. It’s that blend of effortless charm, raw physical strength, and the kind of sheer competence that makes you successful in whatever you set your mind to. It’s having the assets to back it up, too. I mean, we’re talking Ferraris, Lamborghinis, a healthy bank account, and that unmistakable aura of someone who’s lived life to the fullest and left a trail of broken hearts behind them. That’s the standard.
The issue is that charisma isn't some fixed trait you're born with; it’s incredibly fickle. It fluctuates constantly. One minute you've got it, and the next, it's completely vanished.
It’s a classic pattern, really—the kind of thing where characters from movies or old fairy tales become these irresistible figures for women. It’s more than just a trope; it’s a textbook archetypal situation, much like what G. Jung would have pointed out. These characters act as mirrors to the feminine psyche, possessing this almost supernatural magnetism. Honestly, there's something about the idea of winning over someone like that... it feels nothing short of divine.
These archetype-based images can be projected onto just about anyone. Even people who lack those intense, larger-than-life qualities can become the focus of such perceptions simply because others have cast them in that role. Essentially, "projections" are happening everywhere—it’s a fundamental part of the human experience.

Now, if I may steer us back to the heart of the matter:

Edward Murphy4 once pointed out something that’s been weighing on my mind lately. It's about those people who have already checked out—the ones who are deeply cynical, jaded, or just completely indifferent and emotionally distant. At first, I honestly thought this was just a thing where women kept chasing after those "unattainable" types, but I’ve started seeing it in men, too. And of course, in about 99% of these cases, the person they're chasing ends up hurting them, leaving them to complain about the fallout later. It makes me wonder: what exactly are they hoping to gain from all that?
They’re simply untouchable—like the peak of Olympus or some unreachable mountain range. Don't take that literally, of course; rather, they become objects of obsession precisely because they demand to be conquered. There’s a certain allure in their arrogance and sheer audacity. We project these images of all-powerful icons onto them, and that's exactly what draws us in. But once they actually become attainable? The magic vanishes. The interest just... fades.
Masochists have this relentless drive to stay in the line of fire, constantly seeking out the very pain caused by being ignored or cast aside. Honestly, if you want my sincere advice as a friend: steer clear of these ego-driven types at all costs. They actually thrive on being treated like garbage—it’s their fuel. Just walk the other way.
3. If someone ends up getting hurt by people like that, they’re left with this relentless, nagging urge to get as close to them as possible just to settle the score.

😳 ugh...!
Robert Collins2 Robert Collins2 Active Member
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#7 ·
I’m talking about women here—and I say women because I haven't met a single guy who plays this specific game—who are just totally walking wounded. They're basically dragging around these massive, unhealed scars from old relationships where they practically handed their entire souls over on a silver platter, only to get treated like absolute garbage in return. So now? Now they’re terrified. They go into these new setups with one foot out the door, acting all guarded and half-hearted because they’re scared to death of anyone actually being decent to them. It’s like if someone actually shows up, gives them real attention, and treats them right, they immediately panic because they're convinced that anything that feels that good is just a setup for a massive crash...

They keep everyone at arm's length, which usually just ends up creating this weird distance that the other person eventually starts picking up on. Honestly, it’s just unresolved trauma running the show, and it completely messes with how they pick who they date next. It’s this twisted logic: "If I don't expect anything, I can't be disappointed," or "If I don't give anything, I won't end up hanging out there with nothing to show for it." It's like those shitty past experiences "taught" them that being vulnerable is a losing game and that if they pour love into someone, they’ll never get that same energy back.
Carl Nguyen27 Carl Nguyen27 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2012
#8 ·
just bumping this up a bit 🙂

I’ve totally noticed this pattern with myself—whenever someone starts acting distant or unavailable, they suddenly become way more attractive...

Like, if some guy is constantly flirting with me and I'm feeling it, I don't even care that much. But the second I realize he's cooling off or shifting his focus to someone else? Boom. Suddenly he's all I can think about, and I'm already over here plotting my next move just to get him interested again. Anyone else deal with this? 😁
Kenneth Howard7 Kenneth Howard7 Member
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joined Jun 2012
#9 ·
Carl Nguyen27 said:just bumping this up a bit 🙂

I’ve totally noticed this pattern with myself—whenever someone starts acting distant or unavailable, they suddenly become way more attractive...

Like, if some guy is constantly flirting with me and I'm feeling it, I don't even care that much. But the second I realize he's cooling off or shifting his focus to someone else? Boom. Suddenly he's all I can think about, and I'm already over here plotting my next move just to get him interested again. Anyone else deal with this? 😁

This happens to me all the time too! Though, I suspect it's because people tend to be cautious; nobody wants to feel smothered by excessive attention, especially from someone they barely know. We've all dealt with those intense types in our lives—the ones where you offer them a finger and they take the whole hand. So, when I see that I'm not the only one on someone's radar, it actually feels much more comfortable.
Aaron Campbell47 Aaron Campbell47 Member
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#10 ·
It’s really an ego thing... honestly, conquering Mount Everest feels way more rewarding than just hiking some local trail in the Appalachians... we tend to put a higher value on things that feel out of reach or rare. It’s like by "conquering" them, we convince ourselves that we’re somehow more elite or special too. Then you get into those situations where someone has such a low opinion of themselves that they assume anyone who actually wants to love them must be broken or just plain crazy. There’s also the part where people don't actually know how to handle being loved, so they run straight into relationships where they can avoid facing that vulnerability entirely. Or, you know, some people just want to recreate that familiar pattern from their childhood where they felt rejected by one or both parents. At the end of the day, it’s all just different versions of the same theme: I don't love myself, I don't respect myself, and I need someone else to pour affection into the gaps where I should be loving myself instead.
Ryan Murphy Ryan Murphy Member
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#11 ·
I guess they’re just conditioned to deal with rejection from pretty much day one. It becomes this weirdly comfortable pattern for them, you know? Like, it’s what they expect. So, naturally, they gravitate toward people who operate on that same wavelength—people who are distant, cold, or just plain hard to reach. Anyone else who’s actually available and emotionally healthy? They just don't see the appeal. Honestly, there’s no point trying to fix them or offering a bunch of care and support. People like this? They mostly just want to feel needed.
wiredridge152 wiredridge152 Member
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#12 ·
Betty Chase54 said:Drama & Curiosities

“All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.” Leo Tolstoy

What on earth does that quote have to do with entire family lineages when we're talking about individuals getting worked up over someone being "unavailable"?
Then again, I suppose even the concept of being "unavailable" is pretty subjective.
casualsailor6 casualsailor6 Newcomer
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#13 ·
I honestly find it hard to wrap my head around this. It feels like nothing more than child's play to me.
If I’m interested in someone, I make sure they know exactly where I stand.
If someone brushes me off, I simply move on and clear them from my mind entirely.

There is a massive difference between someone being indecisive about their feelings and someone making it crystal clear that they aren't interested in a relationship with you.
driftingwolf9 driftingwolf9 Newcomer
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#14 ·
copperfox52 said:I’d say there’s definitely a connection back to how things went with our parents growing up. For instance, if you had a parent who was emotionally distant or just totally checked out, you might find yourself subconsciously chasing after that same kind of dynamic as an adult—almost like you're trying to get a "do-over" to finally fix what went wrong back then. But hey, that’s just my two cents as a layperson.

It feels like I fall into this pattern way too often where I end up fixated on someone who is either physically far away or just emotionally unavailable. Honestly, I would love it if a professional could jump into this thread and weigh in to help explain why this phenomenon happens.

I am inclined to agree with this sentiment. It is actually easier to approach such people because they lack options, or perhaps they sense they can exploit you since they haven't learned any other way to interact. It is very similar to that constant refrain of "I am this" or "I know that," yet they never address a specific situation—and even worse, they lie. To make matters more complicated, these types of individuals often come from broken homes. The core issue is that while they may seem highly emotional, they become completely incapable when it comes to taking concrete action. For example, they will say things like, "You're going to do this..." or "You need to find a job...", but you will never hear them say, "I did this..." or "I admit, I made a mistake..." and things of that nature.

In my view, we are looking at a case of emotional instability rooted in unresolved issues from the past...
Jason Reyes9 Jason Reyes9 Member
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joined Jun 2012
#15 ·
Edward Murphy4 said:I’ve been noticing this pattern for a while now—this weird phenomenon where tons of people (especially the young and clueless🤷) just gravitate toward total disasters. We're talking the cynical, jaded types with that "don't give a damn" attitude who stay emotionally checked out... At first, I figured it was just women chasing after those unavailable guys, but honestly, I see men doing the exact same thing. And let’s be real, 99% of the time, these people end up getting burned, and then they start whining about it. So, what’s the actual endgame here? Are they really hoping that their belovedpartner will undergo some massive personality transplant because of their "undying love"? Or do they actually think they'll be the one lucky enough to finally see a soft side? Or what?🤷


I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that it works like this: women who felt unloved or rejected by their fathers tend to seek out that same "unavailable" type in later relationships. They fight with everything they've got to win them over, just to prove to themselves that they can finally succeed...
And honestly, it goes exactly the same way for men.
blueviper29 blueviper29 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Carl Nguyen27;40083844 said:Let me jump back into this conversation for a second 🙂

In my view, it comes down to the fact that women tend to be quite protective of their beauty and even their culinary skills—like how much pride goes into making a perfect batch of homemade apple pie. As long as people keep feeding that ego with flattery, it just keeps the fire burning. But the moment someone actually has the guts to shatter that illusion and hold up a real mirror to them, they practically crumble 🙂. It’s not even necessarily about love at that point; it feels more like some kind of deep-seated, innate masochism!
William Chavez5 William Chavez5 Member
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#17 ·
I find myself unable to align with all this psychoanalysis nonsense... based on my own life experiences and observing those around me, I can say with absolute certainty that we are dealing with people who possess a desperate need to get to the core of things, to truly understand, refusing to accept that certain truths might simply be out of reach... Generally speaking, these are social, protective types who truly believe in the possibility of change... which is precisely why they end up so deeply wounded when their hard work and sheer willpower ultimately prove futile.

Then there is the other side of the coin, which is just as grim, because more often than not, those toxic individuals will lean heavily on the former group—or rather, they parasitically drain that effort and willpower as if it were an infinite resource, accepting their own brokenness as if nothing were wrong with them at all.

And that is where the breaking point occurs... you have one person who is completely oblivious to the fact that they are draining someone else, and another who is utterly exhausted with no sign of improvement in sight.
At that point, the person giving everything finally hits their limit in a desperate attempt to protect themselves; their tolerance threshold snaps, they abandon the "parasite," and the parasite remains a lost cause forever.

A second scenario would be if we were looking at two equally damaged individuals, both burdened by past traumas, who have become so accustomed to dysfunctional relationships that they’ve developed a sort of immunity, ensuring the other party doesn't actually drain their energy... and one might mistakenly call that a happy ending😍
mellowcyclist6 mellowcyclist6 Newcomer
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#18 ·
Edward Murphy4 said:I’ve been noticing this pattern for a while now—this weird phenomenon where tons of people (especially the young and clueless🤷) just gravitate toward total disasters. We're talking the cynical, jaded types with that "don't give a damn" attitude who stay emotionally checked out... At first, I figured it was just women chasing after those unavailable guys, but honestly, I see men doing the exact same thing. And let’s be real, 99% of the time, these people end up getting burned, and then they start whining about it. So, what’s the actual endgame here? Are they really hoping that their belovedpartner will undergo some massive personality transplant because of their "undying love"? Or do they actually think they'll be the one lucky enough to finally see a soft side? Or what?🤷

If you like someone, you like them—and if you don't feel a connection at first glance, you can usually try to convince yourself otherwise later, but it rarely works.😁

p.s. Broken people very rarely change just because of a partner, even if those rare exceptions do exist.
silentjackal52 silentjackal52 Member
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#19 ·
copperfox52 said:I’d say there’s definitely a connection back to how things went with our parents growing up. For instance, if you had a parent who was emotionally distant or just totally checked out, you might find yourself subconsciously chasing after that same kind of dynamic as an adult—almost like you're trying to get a "do-over" to finally fix what went wrong back then. But hey, that’s just my two cents as a layperson.

It feels like I fall into this pattern way too often where I end up fixated on someone who is either physically far away or just emotionally unavailable. Honestly, I would love it if a professional could jump into this thread and weigh in to help explain why this phenomenon happens.

I also would love to see a professional join the conversation to shed some light on this phenomenon. 🙂
silentjackal52 silentjackal52 Member
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#20 ·
Zachary Mendoza2 said:You can find all sorts of rationalizations out there. Some people honestly believe they don't deserve better, so they're too afraid to even try for someone high-quality. Then you have those who view themselves as saints, convinced their endless love can somehow heal a broken person and turn them into something decent. And then there are the ones with massive egos who think they're too good for any of the five great options available, choosing instead to pick someone toxic just so they can "fix" them.

It’s all total bullshit. Broken people gravitate toward broken relationships. It's just a traumatized mind carrying the weight of the past, trying to relive that history in hopes of finally overcoming and healing it. Usually, it passes once they reach a certain level of maturity. As you get older, you start to realize how much stability actually matters. 👍

Frogger, what happens if "normalcy" never becomes valuable, regardless of how old you get? 🙂☕

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