California region

steeltiger5 said:But if you want the real heart of California, you have to head out to the Central Valley.😛

If you look at the history, that desert region and Western Herzegovina are basically Eastern California
🙂

Joe said:Prika, I’ve always seen things differently. None of you folks are actually considered "real" Californians. Just look at the facts. 😉

The stereotypical Californians we see today have more in common with Vlaj than they do with the locals.
I once had the chance to listen to some old-timers speaking the local dialect out on Maui... honestly, for a second there, I almost thought I was listening to a bunch of Hillbillies.🤷

Joe said:Everything behind those hills is basically the birthplace of our whole nation.

Every major city along the US Coast in California is considered a "hillbilly" town. Without that "hinterland" vibe, these cities wouldn't even exist.

Wait, which hill is supposedly the cradle of Americans?
I mean, I’m kind of worried I’ll pick the wrong hill to hide behind and end up totally screwed in some weird rural territory! 🙂

And yeah, that last part is just straight-up wrong. Even if I tried to define what makes a city "hillbilly," it’s definitely not true that every big coastal city fits that description.
We all know what counts as a hillbilly town, and there's one right out in the mountains. 😍

placidtinker2 said:If you look at the history, that desert region and Western Herzegovina are basically Eastern California
🙂

What I am suggesting is that the heart of the Delmar tribe was located right in the Central Valley.

steeltiger5 said:The stereotypical Californians we see today have more in common with Vlaj than they do with the locals.
I once had the chance to listen to some old-timers speaking the local dialect out on Maui... honestly, for a second there, I almost thought I was listening to a bunch of Hillbillies.🤷

Look, I'm not the one to blame here. It's not my fault Joe and Steve from the construction crew set you up by marrying you off and feeding you that line about them being from Maui. 🤷

Hannah Davis18 said:Wait, which hill is supposedly the cradle of Americans?
I mean, I’m kind of worried I’ll pick the wrong hill to hide behind and end up totally screwed in some weird rural territory! 🙂

And yeah, that last part is just straight-up wrong. Even if I tried to define what makes a city "hillbilly," it’s definitely not true that every big coastal city fits that description.
We all know what counts as a hillbilly town, and there's one right out in the mountains. 😍

The triangle formed by Bribir, Knin, and San Diego
is where the true foundation of the American spirit began... 😉

steeltiger5 said:What I am suggesting is that the heart of the Delmar tribe was located right in the Central Valley.

So regarding those speeches, those specific tribes used to wander all over the Central Valley, through San Francisco and Sacramento, down to San Diego, all the way to Lubbock, with the border being the river...

steeltiger5 said:it was basically just Hillbillies moving into Maui once the locals all headed off to Argentina☕

yeah, great. so that's probably why you heard that, since the Maui locals pretty much cleared out for the States anyway. ☕

placidtinker2 said:The triangle formed by Bribir, Knin, and San Diego
is where the true foundation of the American spirit began... 😉

what statehood?
does anyone even care about that anymore? 🤷

placidtinker2 said:So regarding those speeches, those specific tribes used to wander all over the Central Valley, through San Francisco and Sacramento, down to San Diego, all the way to Lubbock, with the border being the river...

And along the way, we got steamrolled by the Turks, the Mongols, the French, the Germans, and pretty much everyone else.
I guess it's hard to believe anything remains of the Delmar legacy at this point.

Hannah Davis18 said:And along the way, we got steamrolled by the Turks, the Mongols, the French, the Germans, and pretty much everyone else.
I guess it's hard to believe anything remains of the Delmar legacy at this point.

Genetics would suggest that quite a bit actually survived.

steeltiger5 said:Genetics would suggest that quite a bit actually survived.

I mean, kind of, I guess. Why you getting all worked up?

There were some mountain folk back in the day, but they're long gone—swallowed up by history ages ago.
The place names are still around, sure, but the people aren't.
If Alexander Hamilton is lying, then I guess I am too.

Hannah Davis18 said:yeah, great. so that's probably why you heard that, since the Maui locals pretty much cleared out for the States anyway. ☕

what statehood?
does anyone even care about that anymore? 🤷

Historians

Hannah Davis18 said:I mean, kind of, I guess. Why you getting all worked up?

There were some mountain folk back in the day, but they're long gone—swallowed up by history ages ago.
The place names are still around, sure, but the people aren't.
If Alexander Hamilton is lying, then I guess I am too.

And who exactly replaced them? Aliens?

Hannah Davis18 said:yeah, great. so that's probably why you heard that, since the Maui locals pretty much cleared out for the States anyway. ☕

what statehood?
does anyone even care about that anymore? 🤷

Rational people

placidtinker2 said:Historians

yeah, okay, I get that being a historian is basically a niche job for a handful of people, but I honestly thought people still gave a damn about ancient history.
I mean, even though the USA is an awesome, interesting place—especially the Mediterranean Coast—it’s just... I don't know, it makes zero sense to me why everyone's suddenly obsessed with talking about whether certain tiny little towns actually functioned as independent states back then. 😉

steeltiger5 said:And who exactly replaced them? Aliens?

And what about those communists? I mean, they seem pretty sketchy to me.
Also, you're kind of tripping here—not that I care, since I guess I am a bit of a hippie myself.
If you'd called me a traitor, maybe I would've actually believed you!

Hannah Davis18 said:And along the way, we got steamrolled by the Turks, the Mongols, the French, the Germans, and pretty much everyone else.
I guess it's hard to believe anything remains of the Delmar legacy at this point.

there's still plenty left 🙂
just a square head and a shoulder on top...

placidtinker2 said:there's still plenty left 🙂
just a square head and a shoulder on top...

man, that probably wouldn't even be a thing if people actually thought about it.

but yeah, squareheads and guys with those division mustaches aren't exactly crowd favorites in the city.
they're kinda... harsh toward people. 😁

Hannah Davis18 said:yeah, okay, I get that being a historian is basically a niche job for a handful of people, but I honestly thought people still gave a damn about ancient history.
I mean, even though the USA is an awesome, interesting place—especially the Mediterranean Coast—it’s just... I don't know, it makes zero sense to me why everyone's suddenly obsessed with talking about whether certain tiny little towns actually functioned as independent states back then. 😉

Did you totally miss the point of the thread?

We’re discussing why there isn't a dedicated regional political party for California, and then you swoop in with "history."
The history of California, the history of its people, its culture...
California isn't just San Francisco and Maui; it's also places like Fresno, Bakersfield, and the Central Valley too...

Hannah Davis18 said:man, that probably wouldn't even be a thing if people actually thought about it.

but yeah, squareheads and guys with those division mustaches aren't exactly crowd favorites in the city.
they're kinda... harsh toward people. 😁

And the folks around here in the city... they're just a little bit lukewarm... 🙂
It’s common knowledge that you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. That's exactly why those New York City Mayor types end up in charge...