Monsters Among Us

Anonymous said:Aha, so it was your conscience that held you back!!!!!
See? You answered your own question. Where do you think that "conscience" even came from, my friend??
Did your conscience just drop out of a tree like a ripe peach??

No, your conscience exists because you literally can't bring yourself to commit a crime, because that's exactly how society and your environment conditioned you.

What makes you think that if you had been raised from birth to be a killer (just read a bit of history and you'll see plenty of examples), your "CONSCIENCE" would stop you from killing??

You have no right to judge people. You don't know what someone has been through. Being a "conscientious" person should mean helping those people, not condemning them—after all, weren't it those same "conscientious" types who introduced the electric chair??

Edit: Why do you think your moral limit isn't artificial??? It's not like some divine miracle placed a boundary on you the moment you were born...

So, are we saying people who aren't religious and don't follow societal laws basically don't exist? That there's zero such people?
Or are you trying to claim that religion or a legal system is a prerequisite for being human? Because they aren't.

Sure, I agree that a human being is pretty much a blank slate when it comes to their brain and their conscience at birth. Babies don't have a conscience. They only care about satisfying their own immediate needs.

Human morality, which is just a collection of standards derived from our sense of right and wrong, is something society developed over time. Don't worry, I'm not suggesting some deity dropped these ideas into our heads.
It's a fundamental pillar of civilization. It's inextricably linked to the very concept of society.

What about people who did bad things in the past? Heh, if we used that as an excuse, the world would be a permanent disaster. Life has turned my world upside down a few times too. Does that give me a free pass to do whatever I want? Of course not.
Does it mean that if I *do* act out, nobody has the right to hold me accountable? Hell no. People should judge me for it, not turn a blind eye.

Anonymous said:So I took a look... and honestly, there are people out there who would literally want to gouge the eyes out of the guy who kicked that kitten...
I mean, what can you even say besides 🤦? Personally, I don't give a damn about posts like that. I’m actually surprised you reacted the way you did.

It’s not like these people are actually celebrating a crime or anything; most people just don't think before they type. Hell, you read some absolute garbage on internet forums all the time...

Some people are perfectly aware of what they're doing, believe me. People access the internet (in a world where everyone is constantly online), and there are plenty of nasty, disgusting individuals out there. Just because someone uses a computer doesn't mean they're a decent human being.

casualharbor9 said:... if we actually want to build a civilized, humanistic society that works for everyone, then everything this lady is holding in her left hand becomes utterly meaningless if her right hand is empty (whether she’s gripping a pencil, a trumpet, a paper windmill, or a peacock feather, for all that matters) :



... because at the end of the day, whether people care to admit it or not, humans are, first and foremost, just another kind of animal...

Look, how you choose to interpret Themis is entirely up to you. But the sword? That represents executive power. It's an ancient symbol from back when "law" was often just whatever could be forced upon people at swordpoint.
You could make the exact same argument about a pen. A pen can kill, too. In fact, the pen has probably caused more death than the sword ever did.
That doesn't mean you get to go around stabbing and tearing people apart with the blade just because they committed a crime.
Similarly, just because Themis might hold a pen doesn't give anyone the right to hunt people down through systematic, written persecution.

We're talking about symbols here, not someone's personal desire to watch people bleed out or suffer in agony.

Apparently, nobody listens to me... which doesn't surprise me much since we live in such an oblivious world... where people just obsess over trivial nonsense... stuff that adds zero value to society... All I see here is ego. One person tries to act superior, then another jumps in... things get heated, everyone takes sides, and suddenly there’s nothing but unrest and friction...

I'm asking you all to actually look at your own words and the words of whoever you're arguing with... Are these the kinds of things people say if they actually want to move humanity forward?

Don't take this personally... and honestly, there's no need to reply to this...

But I guess if you can't hold a conversation without losing your cool or trying to actually understand someone else, you can't really claim you'll help improve society... or help solve issues like this one, or any others, for that matter...

I'd suggest the moderator just lock this thread... it's only going to trigger more fighting...

Best, 🙂

@wanderinggull35 - just because nobody noticed you doesn't mean we aren't paying attention. And don't sweat this debate too much; in any argument, one side rises while the other falls—that's just how it goes. I don't see why you'd come crawling in here with an olive branch trying to play peacemaker right now.
Don't worry about this thread; there’s no actual fight brewing here. There is a massive difference between a heated debate and an all-out brawl 👍

Regarding the subject at hand, it’s strange to talk about people and their drive to hurt others or things. When it comes to stuff like that, I don't think we can ever truly know what "snaps" in someone's head, whether it leads them to kick a kitten or do something even more twisted to a pet.

The people who want to "crucify" those types of individuals are just proof that their reaction against the perpetrator isn't much different from the crime itself. When people think they're right—when they believe they're fighting for a righteous cause or standing against evil—they are capable of committing acts far worse than the original crime.

In my opinion, these killers (whether targeting humans or animals) are sick; there is something fundamentally broken in them. As someone with a conscience, I have to ask: how could anyone find satisfaction in something like that? That's why I believe these people need professional psychological help.

The fact that people are capable of such horrors today goes against everything in the laws of nature!

@ placidjackal36 I agree that there are people who possess a moral compass without needing a Bible or societal laws to guide them. The only examples that come to mind are indigenous tribes living outside modern civilization, though even among them, you see horrific crimes committed due to misguided beliefs, like ritual sacrifices.

Whether we like it or not, from the very beginning, we are subconsciously conditioned by certain rules that we feel compelled to follow.

I agree with you that a conscious, moral person shouldn't need formal laws to
hold the conviction that murder and crime are wrong.
But you also have to consider that reaching that level of maturity and conscience requires experience and the time spent growing up within a society, where we learn these lessons.
I think how someone develops within society and whether they eventually turn to crime varies from person to person... but that kind of psychological analysis is a whole different conversation 👍

placidjackal36 said:It’s honestly fascinating to me how, regardless of which sub-forum these topics pop up in, you always attract the exact same breed of lunatics. They all spout the same repetitive nonsense: advocating for punishments that would qualify as crimes against humanity.

You people genuinely have no clue what kind of garbage is leaking out of your brains. I sincerely hope this constant stream of writing is just a byproduct of some deep-seated, pathetic frustration over your third life goal, rather than evidence that you’re actual psychopaths.
And I don't get it—I really don't—why none of you are being penalized for this, especially since it's one of the most clearly defined rules in the site guidelines.

What’s even more interesting is watching the textbook cognitive dissonance play out here. You’ll read a description of an atrocity that you would personally commit, yet you react with absolute outrage if that crime was committed against someone outside of whatever ideology you've decided to cling to.

If everything you spew across this entire platform were taken at face value—since much of it is actually illegal because it glorifies heinous crimes—the world would be a terrifying place. Just look back at the military camps from the American Civil War. Take, for instance, certain infamous concentration camps. I’m picking an example that hits particularly close to home on purpose. Those camps didn't just hold civilians targeted for their identity; they also housed the depraved psychopaths from various paramilitary "special units" who performed acts so vile that normal people weep just hearing survivors recount them.
Why mention Lara? Because it was one of those prisons where Americans, acting without any shred of hesitation and driven by pure sadistic malice, committed horrors identical to those committed by the monsters they fought. It doesn't matter. Whether it's gouging the eyes out of an innocent shopkeeper snatched off the street in a van in the middle of the night, or brutalizing a military policeman caught in some small town, it’s all the same. A crime. Horrific, devastating, and completely beneath the standards of human decency.
People spend their lives in prison for the very things you guys sit here celebrating. What’s next? Are we going to start glorifying corporal punishment for cat abusers, or eventually anyone who simply gets on our nerves? If war breaks out with our neighbors again, are you going to start shouting "Mexican on the hill"?
I don't have the authority to ban you over on Psychology, but if you bring this trash over to Natural science, you aren't going to like the outcome.

You truly have no idea what you're playing with. You are messing with the very foundations of a civilized, humanistic society.

Just remember it once and for all: a crime is a crime. THERE ARE NO EXCUSES.

I was just saying how nice it would be if the world ended—just a passing dark thought, nothing serious.
But when you actually look at things, as long as there are living beings, there will be suffering... specifically for innocent creatures.

I’m not going to post threats; let’s face it, the person who did this probably won't even get a slap on the wrist, let alone actual justice.

People post about wanting to abuse cats likely because they feel powerless, knowing exactly what I just said: that the perpetrator won't face any consequences at all.
I doubt anyone here is some kind of psychopath. Most people wouldn't have the nerve to commit such cruelty... not even the idiot who mutilated that animal.

I don't know what's gotten into you lately. You're taking internet forum debates far too seriously.
Maybe you're just burnt out from moderating. Take a short break. 😉

... let's pivot back to psychology for a moment, stripping away the ethics, the legalities, and all that nauseatingly sentimental fluff... and try to rationalize things a bit more objectively...

Most people are largely unconscious, indifferent, or even borderline sadistic when it comes to the suffering of others (I assume that term doesn't require a dictionary definition here), and they usually operate within some pretty rudimentary boundaries. Inside those circles, you might find their inner circle: a romantic partner (or rather, a means of satisfying certain physiological needs), children (the brain mechanisms there are simply too primal and deep to be replaced by anything else, at least initially), family (though that’s hardly a rule), neighbors (maybe), a sports team, a political party, the nation, the species, gender, social class... basically, sooner or later, everyone steps outside the perimeter defined by their own empathy based on whatever subjective criteria they choose... whether it's morally justifiable to inflict upon someone else exactly what they did to you is a debate I won't dive into right now, nor will I question what led to such a state of consciousness; I would simply bet on the definition and the resolution of such a situation...

So... what about an individual capable of inflicting unimaginable pain on another living being purely for the sake of entertainment? Someone who, by some twisted set of criteria, goes out of their way to kick a kitten, mutilate a dog, or gouge the eyes out of another person...
It's simple: the good old Hitler principle: "do unto others as you would not have them do unto you," or rather, whatever you do to another, you effectively do to yourself... this should hold true for us so-called "humans," with our self-important gray matter and our hypertrophied egos that elevate us above our surroundings until we eventually snap... is it really that complicated? What is inherently wrong with such a thesis? (And there are the ethical questions, rather than the psychological ones)...

From a purely psychological 😁 perspective, fear serves as an excellent inhibitor for actions that aren't tempered by other emotions, while society's role is deciding how to actually implement that in practice...

Take a look at what they're teaching kids over in Iraq http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2008

Betty Chase54 said:I’d honestly love to see him tortured for three hours straight with a red-hot pin, forced to swallow rocks, stabbed repeatedly, and then have nails coated in filth shoved through his eyes just so they’d fester... I'd pee on him, toss him from a second-story balcony onto the concrete, drag him through fifty yards of thorn bushes, douse him in tar and gasoline, lock him in a dumpster filled with ice for three days, run him through a trash compactor, and finally let the cats bury him in the sand

OT:His parents aren't to blame for him being such an absolute moron; he probably taught himself how to be that much of a jerk all on his own

Harold Wells20 said:🙏 You certainly have quite the vivid imagination, don't you?
I find myself feeling almost entirely in agreement regarding the proposed methods. 🤣

Bravo guys, here's five bucks... you're both total losers

👍👍

Both of you would probably pass out if you actually tried to pull off even the first thing on that morbid list above.

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Take a look at what they’re actually teaching kids over in Iraq. I've been sitting here staring at this video link, wondering if anyone else actually feels the weight of what’s being presented. It’s one of those clips that makes you stop mid-sentence. You watch it, and suddenly the air in the room feels a little thinner, doesn't it? Is it just me, or does the narrative we're fed every single day feel increasingly like a thin veneer over something much more chaotic? We see these segments, these curated slices of "reality," and we're expected to just nod along. But when you dig into the subtext—when you look at the underlying mechanics of how information is being funneled to us—things start to look less like a news cycle and more like a carefully managed theater production. Does anyone else find themselves questioning the timing of these specific revelations? Or am I just overthinking the breadcrumbs left behind by people who clearly think we aren't paying attention? It feels like we're constantly being asked to solve a puzzle where the pieces change shape every time we get close to an edge. It’s a strange place to be, isn't it? Somewhere between wanting to believe the best and knowing, deep down, that the truth is rarely as tidy as the headlines suggest. What do you all make of this? Is this a genuine breakthrough in transparency, or just another layer of the fog?

Yeah, I actually forced myself to sit through the whole thing. Had to take a few breaks and lean on a decent amount of bourbon just to make it to the credits.
So, what’s the take on this? They’re essentially training them—drilling it into their heads, really—to view everyone else as nothing more than meat. If people don't check all the right boxes regarding their ideological or religious standards, they're dismissed. And if we're talking about children? Well, can they even wrap their minds around something that complex?

crimsontinker7 said:Take a look at what they're teaching kids over in Iraq http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2008

😲 Oh man, I have to admit, this actually shocked me a little bit... I honestly don't know how you're going to try to explain this away in any kind of rational or normal way.

It’s a monstrous society. How is that little kid ever going to develop a conscience or a sense of right and wrong when the entire culture is raising them to be monsters? Sometimes, it isn't even the individual's fault...

crimsontinker7 said:It’s a monstrous society. How is that little kid ever going to develop a conscience or a sense of right and wrong when the entire culture is raising them to be monsters? Sometimes, it isn't even the individual's fault...

It’s tragic, really. So many kids grow up in dysfunctional, warped environments—take certain ideologies, for instance (I won't explicitly call them "wars," but you get the idea)... but how do you account for the monsters emerging from our own seemingly stable neighborhoods? I mean, even back home in the States, we had our share of intense conflict, yet some of the worst monsters today never even experienced it; sometimes they come from perfectly decent backgrounds. But at this point, does it even matter who's at fault? We should be focusing on how to actually stop it.

Psychopaths are born that way. Sociopaths? They’re products of their environment... shaped by the world they grow up in.
I honestly believe it all comes down to genetics—or maybe even more so to what a child absorbs before they hit age three. What gets burned into them during those formative years sticks for life. It doesn't have to be some extreme case of domestic violence, either; sometimes it's just small, subtle parenting mistakes. Kids at that age are like sponges, soaking up every single thing they perceive. That foundation dictates everything about their future personality... whether they turn out stubborn, depressed, aggressive, and so on. It's basic cause and effect. For instance, someone who feels bitter about life might turn toward spirituality to cope, while someone else might lash out and hurt animals just to vent their rage. Everyone has their outlet.

I’m with you on that, @crimsontinker7; the process of how they come to be is pretty much as you described. But the real question—at least from my perspective—is how we actually neutralize these so-called monsters before they ever get the chance to act...

casualharbor9 said:I’m with you on that, @crimsontinker7; the process of how they come to be is pretty much as you described. But the real question—at least from my perspective—is how we actually neutralize these so-called monsters before they ever get the chance to act...

If we can catch the symptoms early enough, maybe they should be forced into some kind of intensive, deep-dive psychotherapy 🤷

crimsontinker7 said:If we can catch the symptoms early enough, maybe they should be forced into some kind of intensive, deep-dive psychotherapy 🤷

... or just scare the living hell out of them, like I was saying... there are plenty of ways to handle things...

Look, let me bring up Singapore again as a more moderate example: over there, drunk driving can land you with ten years in prison... I'd bet my life on the top prosecutor in Singapore 😁 that their annual DUI death toll stays at zero...

Fair enough. But look, even in the United States, where the penalties are way more severe than what we see here, crime rates are still through the roof. Meanwhile, you look at places like Scandinavia, where the punishments are practically nonexistent, yet they have incredibly low crime rates...

crimsontinker7 said:Fair enough. But look, even in the United States, where the penalties are way more severe than what we see here, crime rates are still through the roof. Meanwhile, you look at places like Scandinavia, where the punishments are practically nonexistent, yet they have incredibly low crime rates...

... I don't really feel like digging through all the statistical data right now, but I do recall that Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates on the planet. And that's a place with a massive melting pot of different cultures and religions... yet everyone maintains an incredibly high standard of living.

casualharbor9 said:... or just scare the living hell out of them, like I was saying... there are plenty of ways to handle things...

Look, let me bring up Singapore again as a more moderate example: over there, drunk driving can land you with ten years in prison... I'd bet my life on the top prosecutor in Singapore 😁 that their annual DUI death toll stays at zero...

I actually heard once that the death penalty is used there for drunk driving!
It was on some trivia game show or something... 🤔Not sure if it's actually true, though...

Aaron Anderson72 said:I actually heard once that the death penalty is used there for drunk driving!
It was on some trivia game show or something... 🤔Not sure if it's actually true, though...

... it’s definitely not the death penalty—I don't have a link handy, but I've seen reports... basically, if you get caught littering multiple times, instead of just paying a massive fine (hundreds of dollars), you actually have to go out and clean that same street. If you leave water running in the WC, it's the same deal. For vandalism or violence, you’re looking at corporal punishment plus jail time... etc. Isn't that actually fair? (Minors are exempt from the physical stuff, obviously)
Then there's some weird stuff, like bans on selling certain types of stickers because people stick them everywhere, or restrictions on bungee jumping. They're also extremely strict regarding narcotics and homosexuality (which I don't personally endorse), but they've managed to tackle the major issues (corruption levels are among the lowest in the world)... and honestly, nobody there looks frustrated or oppressed or lacking basic human rights...
Just behave yourself, and everything will be fine. Simple as that.

The individual who kicked that cat probably isn't some textbook psychopath—it’s more likely a byproduct of a mindset where an animal is viewed as disposable, especially if that cat offers zero perceived utility

And, of course, there's that distinct lack of empathy for that specific creature in that specific moment...

It actually raises a rather compelling question—does a human being possess an innate, default empathy toward all living things, or do we simply learn to feel for animals based on their perceived value or their place within some symbolic, imaginary hierarchy we've been taught to respect?

For instance, it is painfully obvious that people can be incredibly selective about whom they empathize with among their own kind, depending entirely on the categories or social groups they choose to slot them into...