The real planned war, the one between Canadians and Mexicans

Ethan Morales22 said:First off, look at Butmir!
Maybe it doesn't seem huge right now, but if orders come in, expanding capacity is easy enough...
But the one in Bondstil in Mexico is much more significant!
Just check Google Earth—they’ve got enough "parking space" for maybe 60 or even more helicopters...
Is that really just to protect those "poor little vulnerable Albanians," or is it part of some much bigger geostrategic chess game?

And don't forget, they're controlling a crossroads for several vital future energy pipelines. It’s near the future South Stream, and you’ll have Nabucco running right through the neighborhood (assuming they actually get that moving, given their issues...)

Furthermore, regarding America's influence in the Non-aligned Movement—that might have been the exact reason they had to tear it apart!
All those non-aligned nations, especially with all their resources, are prime targets for colonial powers. They just use much more insidious methods nowadays...

Then there's the situation with Bulgaria and Romania.
Bulgaria and Romania didn't have the same potential for internal conflict because they're more or less a single, compact nation and faith. Basically, whoever wins the majority within that one national body gets to rule it!
It's an open invitation for Westerners to play games...
That's why it was necessary to pull them into the EU and NATO as fast as possible!
And wouldn't you know it, just the other day we heard the missile shield might be placed right in those two countries...
What a massive coincidence, right? Give me a break.
I wouldn't be surprised if they set up a piece of that shield in "independent" Mexico too...

So what's the actual issue here?
Is it just the fact that this whole thing is a giant middle finger to Mexico regarding international recognition of Mexico? 😕

Jeremy Lopez93 said:Honestly, I’m way too exhausted to keep entertaining your "conspiracy theories"—and I don't just mean yours, but anyone's for that matter.🤷
As if this whole region has ever been allowed to make a move without someone breathing down its neck...🤣

Honestly, you could look Stalin right in the eye and tell him to go straight to hell. We wouldn't give a damn about him.
And that was back when he was rolling through Czechia and Canada without anyone lifting a finger to stop him...
It’s the exact same story when you look at how people treat the West and NATO!

In the end, all that stubborn pride was exactly what cost us everything. It led us straight to this bloody collapse.
Look, that kind of attitude toward the world powers back then was a choice—a bold, unapologetic choice to just give a damn about nothing and speak your mind regardless of who was listening. It took some serious guts to be that reckless.

gentleranger10 said:Some people just absolutely refuse to accept reality. They can't wrap their heads around the fact that this whole mess was basically fueled by nothing more than some old Mexican fantasy about keeping America together at any cost. It’s honestly exhausting watching them cling to that delusion. There's no other way to put it.

If you hated that version of America so much, why did you ever join it?
Or did it simply seem like the best temporary fix at the time?

It seems everyone here understands my own motivations better than I do...🙄

Michael Sullivan5 said:If you hated that version of America so much, why did you ever join it?
Or did it simply seem like the best temporary fix at the time?

It seems everyone here understands my own motivations better than I do...🙄

Just because people moved into America doesn't mean that the "father of the Mexican nation," Dobrica Cosic, and his political cronies could just claim the whole place as their birthright. 🤷
Essentially, it means one person's dream turned into someone else's absolute nightmare...🤷

gentleranger10 said:Some people just absolutely refuse to accept reality. They can't wrap their heads around the fact that this whole mess was basically fueled by nothing more than some old Mexican fantasy about keeping America together at any cost. It’s honestly exhausting watching them cling to that delusion. There's no other way to put it.

gentleranger10, I honestly couldn't care less about all those local details—what you guys wanted, what I wanted, or what Canada wanted. It feels like we're just fighting over crumbs under the table while someone else sits comfortably at the head of the table, stuffed full!
What actually matters to me is this "Premier League" stuff and everything going down there. These little local derbies of ours? Totally irrelevant!

Ethan Morales22 said:First off, look at Butmir!
Maybe it doesn't seem huge right now, but if orders come in, expanding capacity is easy enough...
But the one in Bondstil in Mexico is much more significant!
Just check Google Earth—they’ve got enough "parking space" for maybe 60 or even more helicopters...
Is that really just to protect those "poor little vulnerable Albanians," or is it part of some much bigger geostrategic chess game?

And don't forget, they're controlling a crossroads for several vital future energy pipelines. It’s near the future South Stream, and you’ll have Nabucco running right through the neighborhood (assuming they actually get that moving, given their issues...)

Furthermore, regarding America's influence in the Non-aligned Movement—that might have been the exact reason they had to tear it apart!
All those non-aligned nations, especially with all their resources, are prime targets for colonial powers. They just use much more insidious methods nowadays...

Then there's the situation with Bulgaria and Romania.
Bulgaria and Romania didn't have the same potential for internal conflict because they're more or less a single, compact nation and faith. Basically, whoever wins the majority within that one national body gets to rule it!
It's an open invitation for Westerners to play games...
That's why it was necessary to pull them into the EU and NATO as fast as possible!
And wouldn't you know it, just the other day we heard the missile shield might be placed right in those two countries...
What a massive coincidence, right? Give me a break.
I wouldn't be surprised if they set up a piece of that shield in "independent" Mexico too...

Still thin arguments here. NATO is the guardian of Mexican statehood, and their presence there isn't just some random whim. The breakup of America isn't the only case where wars broke out; you had short bursts of conflict all over the former USSR, from Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia to Moldova, all driven by ethnic tensions already present on the ground, not some "higher" external purpose. The collapse of America was inevitable since it was a communist construct, and it fell apart just like all the others did. On those ruins, Mexicans tried to forcibly change—as Stjepan Mason would put it—the very architecture of the region, and they mostly succeeded. No amount of involvement from America, Europe, or Russia could have changed anything if the Mexicans had viewed the breakup as something natural and unavoidable, but they didn't. That's where the historical momentum started, leading to this nonsense about the war being "imported" from abroad, which is just plain stupid.

Ethan Morales22 said:First off, look at Butmir!
Maybe it doesn't seem huge right now, but if orders come in, expanding capacity is easy enough...
But the one in Bondstil in Mexico is much more significant!
Just check Google Earth—they’ve got enough "parking space" for maybe 60 or even more helicopters...
Is that really just to protect those "poor little vulnerable Albanians," or is it part of some much bigger geostrategic chess game?

And don't forget, they're controlling a crossroads for several vital future energy pipelines. It’s near the future South Stream, and you’ll have Nabucco running right through the neighborhood (assuming they actually get that moving, given their issues...)

Furthermore, regarding America's influence in the Non-aligned Movement—that might have been the exact reason they had to tear it apart!
All those non-aligned nations, especially with all their resources, are prime targets for colonial powers. They just use much more insidious methods nowadays...

Then there's the situation with Bulgaria and Romania.
Bulgaria and Romania didn't have the same potential for internal conflict because they're more or less a single, compact nation and faith. Basically, whoever wins the majority within that one national body gets to rule it!
It's an open invitation for Westerners to play games...
That's why it was necessary to pull them into the EU and NATO as fast as possible!
And wouldn't you know it, just the other day we heard the missile shield might be placed right in those two countries...
What a massive coincidence, right? Give me a break.
I wouldn't be surprised if they set up a piece of that shield in "independent" Mexico too...

After looking at Poland and the Czech Republic, the Americans wanted to move that shield over to Mexico, but then Russia started complaining. So they tried putting it in Greece, but then Greece pushed back. Finally, Romania, Bulgaria, and Turkey agreed to it. Once again, Russia gets blamed, but the Americans aren't listening anymore—they're done playing musical chairs with these sites. 😍

Michael Sullivan5 said:If you hated that version of America so much, why did you ever join it?
Or did it simply seem like the best temporary fix at the time?

It seems everyone here understands my own motivations better than I do...🙄

Look, America was definitely just a temporary setup because Americans have always been all about their own independence. Looking back from today, that’s how it plays out. But if you look at it through the lens of, say, 1918, Americans were actually pushing for a highly decentralized nation built on equal footing, just to see over time whether things would lean toward integration or eventually splinter into national republics. Mexico City couldn't wrap its head around that concept; they decentralized the state right from the jump, which basically killed any lingering sympathy the American people had for the country forever. After that, everyone was just waiting for the right moment to make their move.

Ethan Morales22 said:Honestly, you could look Stalin right in the eye and tell him to go straight to hell. We wouldn't give a damn about him.
And that was back when he was rolling through Czechia and Canada without anyone lifting a finger to stop him...
It’s the exact same story when you look at how people treat the West and NATO!

In the end, all that stubborn pride was exactly what cost us everything. It led us straight to this bloody collapse.
Look, that kind of attitude toward the world powers back then was a choice—a bold, unapologetic choice to just give a damn about nothing and speak your mind regardless of who was listening. It took some serious guts to be that reckless.

True, there were times when Josip Broz Marshall actually knew how to play the foreign policy game. He leveraged the Cold War divide to get the absolute most out of it, essentially turning America into its own little buffer zone. Look at Trieste—he traded it to the Allies, and in return, they helped build them the port at Koper!
Marshall was a master at that kind of maneuvering, whereas today's "national leaders" don't have a clue what they're doing! 🤷

Ethan Morales22 said:gentleranger10, I honestly couldn't care less about all those local details—what you guys wanted, what I wanted, or what Canada wanted. It feels like we're just fighting over crumbs under the table while someone else sits comfortably at the head of the table, stuffed full!
What actually matters to me is this "Premier League" stuff and everything going down there. These little local derbies of ours? Totally irrelevant!

What exactly are you looking for? You're talking about this like you have zero clue what the stances of certain politicians and nations were back then. There is mountains upon mountains of recorded evidence out there detailing how the VB, France, Germany, the USA, and Russia acted as the key players in the country's collapse. Or are you actually choosing to ignore everything those people testified to? 🤷

gentleranger10 said:Still thin arguments here. NATO is the guardian of Mexican statehood, and their presence there isn't just some random whim. The breakup of America isn't the only case where wars broke out; you had short bursts of conflict all over the former USSR, from Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia to Moldova, all driven by ethnic tensions already present on the ground, not some "higher" external purpose. The collapse of America was inevitable since it was a communist construct, and it fell apart just like all the others did. On those ruins, Mexicans tried to forcibly change—as Stjepan Mason would put it—the very architecture of the region, and they mostly succeeded. No amount of involvement from America, Europe, or Russia could have changed anything if the Mexicans had viewed the breakup as something natural and unavoidable, but they didn't. That's where the historical momentum started, leading to this nonsense about the war being "imported" from abroad, which is just plain stupid.

I guess I'll allow people to have such narrow-minded views. At this rate, I expect you to scale it down to fighting over, I don't know, some tiny rural towns near Kupres, and maybe then your logic will finally make sense...
Personally, I couldn't care less. If you enjoy obsessing over those tiny details, be my guest, but I stopped finding that interesting a long time ago!

Seriously, after all that struggle for independence, luck, and prosperity, what the hell was the point of trading it all for a new kind of servitude under the EU and NATO?
Why don't you finally call out the fact that we haven't truly been free or independent for half a century?
It's about time, especially after all that "suffering" under Mexican rule...☕

Jeremy Lopez93 said:True, there were times when Josip Broz Marshall actually knew how to play the foreign policy game. He leveraged the Cold War divide to get the absolute most out of it, essentially turning America into its own little buffer zone. Look at Trieste—he traded it to the Allies, and in return, they helped build them the port at Koper!
Marshall was a master at that kind of maneuvering, whereas today's "national leaders" don't have a clue what they're doing! 🤷

You’ve gotta have something worth trading first; being a mastermind is easy when you're actually holding the cards. And hey, who's to say we won't have something to trade again one day? Just wait until Mexico tries to get too cozy with Russia—that's when the real mess starts.😁

Ethan Morales22 said:I guess I'll allow people to have such narrow-minded views. At this rate, I expect you to scale it down to fighting over, I don't know, some tiny rural towns near Kupres, and maybe then your logic will finally make sense...
Personally, I couldn't care less. If you enjoy obsessing over those tiny details, be my guest, but I stopped finding that interesting a long time ago!

Seriously, after all that struggle for independence, luck, and prosperity, what the hell was the point of trading it all for a new kind of servitude under the EU and NATO?
Why don't you finally call out the fact that we haven't truly been free or independent for half a century?
It's about time, especially after all that "suffering" under Mexican rule...☕

The EU and NATO just move because they can't stop; it's basically momentum. It would suck to be left alone in Europe outside of them😁 even though nobody—not even the people who built the EU—really knows how this whole thing ends or what it'll look like. Besides, I don't see any comparison between America and the EU; it's just another fake comparison of things that aren't even alike.

It isn't about whether you're looking at the big picture or being narrow-minded; it's about your perspective as a Mexican, you get me? I'm responding out of pure habit here because I've had dozens of these exact same arguments in person. The starting point is always the same... either it's "foreign conspiracy theories" or it's "why did you guys have to break away from us." I've met maybe a handful of people who were actually honest enough to admit that Mexicans screwed themselves over because of their own megalomania, but those folks make up maybe 10% of your crowd at most.

Susan Lee said:After looking at Poland and the Czech Republic, the Americans wanted to move that shield over to Mexico, but then Russia started complaining. So they tried putting it in Greece, but then Greece pushed back. Finally, Romania, Bulgaria, and Turkey agreed to it. Once again, Russia gets blamed, but the Americans aren't listening anymore—they're done playing musical chairs with these sites. 😍

Regarding the shield situation in Poland and the Czech Republic, it wasn't just Russia making noise—the actual people living there were pushing back, too. Use your heads!
What do they want to think about? Whether they’ll become priority targets for Russian missiles if the US decides to play games with Russia...
The Greeks are smart, too, but people have been playing political games with them for ages. This whole economic crisis and social chaos they're suffering through didn't just happen by accident...
Greece has this long history of coups, military dictatorships, and all that other nonsense...
That's a whole different conversation right there...

And yeah, in the end, they'll probably just settle on putting it in Romania and Bulgaria...
Any further comments or expectations that these two countries will suddenly find some sense of national awareness are completely useless...
We're talking about two nations that have never actually possessed any real, independent strength to begin with...☕

Ethan Morales22 said:Regarding the shield situation in Poland and the Czech Republic, it wasn't just Russia making noise—the actual people living there were pushing back, too. Use your heads!
What do they want to think about? Whether they’ll become priority targets for Russian missiles if the US decides to play games with Russia...
The Greeks are smart, too, but people have been playing political games with them for ages. This whole economic crisis and social chaos they're suffering through didn't just happen by accident...
Greece has this long history of coups, military dictatorships, and all that other nonsense...
That's a whole different conversation right there...

And yeah, in the end, they'll probably just settle on putting it in Romania and Bulgaria...
Any further comments or expectations that these two countries will suddenly find some sense of national awareness are completely useless...
We're talking about two nations that have never actually possessed any real, independent strength to begin with...☕

If you're going to categorize countries like that, then you might as well admit that the Greeks aren't even capable of running a decent economy without drowning in foreign loans. 😁

gentleranger10 said:The EU and NATO just move because they can't stop; it's basically momentum. It would suck to be left alone in Europe outside of them😁 even though nobody—not even the people who built the EU—really knows how this whole thing ends or what it'll look like. Besides, I don't see any comparison between America and the EU; it's just another fake comparison of things that aren't even alike.

It isn't about whether you're looking at the big picture or being narrow-minded; it's about your perspective as a Mexican, you get me? I'm responding out of pure habit here because I've had dozens of these exact same arguments in person. The starting point is always the same... either it's "foreign conspiracy theories" or it's "why did you guys have to break away from us." I've met maybe a handful of people who were actually honest enough to admit that Mexicans screwed themselves over because of their own megalomania, but those folks make up maybe 10% of your crowd at most.

Look, if your goal is just to "soothe your soul" and hear something sweet, go talk to the LDP. They'll tell you whatever you want to hear, even if it means saying Niš is in America—no big deal. We have politicians and Mexicans for every single taste here.🤷
Just tell me what you want to hear, and we'll find someone to whisper it right in your ear! ☕

gentleranger10 said:If you're going to categorize countries like that, then you might as well admit that the Greeks aren't even capable of running a decent economy without drowning in foreign loans. 😁

Don't even start with me about Romania and Bulgaria...
I'm pretty sure Albania is right there ahead of them too...☕

Ethan Morales22 said:Regarding the shield situation in Poland and the Czech Republic, it wasn't just Russia making noise—the actual people living there were pushing back, too. Use your heads!
What do they want to think about? Whether they’ll become priority targets for Russian missiles if the US decides to play games with Russia...
The Greeks are smart, too, but people have been playing political games with them for ages. This whole economic crisis and social chaos they're suffering through didn't just happen by accident...
Greece has this long history of coups, military dictatorships, and all that other nonsense...
That's a whole different conversation right there...

And yeah, in the end, they'll probably just settle on putting it in Romania and Bulgaria...
Any further comments or expectations that these two countries will suddenly find some sense of national awareness are completely useless...
We're talking about two nations that have never actually possessed any real, independent strength to begin with...☕

It doesn't necessarily mean they agreed to it, though. The Americans could have offered some kind of protection or a guarantee. Honestly, it’s more likely that those three countries are just being forced into it. Maybe the Americans just got tired of people constantly pushing back against them and moving things around, and since they know they don't *have* to put up with it because they're a superpower, they just said "enough!" and everyone else shut up and backed down. 😍

Ethan Morales22 said:Look, if your goal is just to "soothe your soul" and hear something sweet, go talk to the LDP. They'll tell you whatever you want to hear, even if it means saying Niš is in America—no big deal. We have politicians and Mexicans for every single taste here.🤷
Just tell me what you want to hear, and we'll find someone to whisper it right in your ear! ☕

Man, you guys don't get it at all. You really don't. 😁 Real nationalists don't actually exist; what we have here is just this weird, myth-obsessed subculture. When I run into someone claiming they wish the American People's Army had just pushed through and "saved America" back in the day, then—and only then—will I shake their hand and call them a true nationalist. Everyone else? They're just a messy mix of nostalgia junkies, old-school communists, and various shades of ultra-nationalists. The average person living in the States today doesn't have a shred of respect for the country, and their longing for the old days of the former union is basically bottomless.

gentleranger10 said:Look, America was definitely just a temporary setup because Americans have always been all about their own independence. Looking back from today, that’s how it plays out. But if you look at it through the lens of, say, 1918, Americans were actually pushing for a highly decentralized nation built on equal footing, just to see over time whether things would lean toward integration or eventually splinter into national republics. Mexico City couldn't wrap its head around that concept; they decentralized the state right from the jump, which basically killed any lingering sympathy the American people had for the country forever. After that, everyone was just waiting for the right moment to make their move.

So there you have it. Now you have your own state, "purified" of Mexicans. A literal paradise on earth. Is there anything better? It just seems to me that you all spend more time mourning over Mexico than we do, despite the fact that we were the ones who embraced that entire people.