George W. Bush: Ronald Reagan was surrounded by spies...

The United States only managed to exit the war as a winner, securing control over its entire territory once Ronald Reagan finally got rid of those spies and saboteurs—people like Lyndon B. Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Robert McNamara, and their low-level associates. It’s hardly a coincidence that the United States struggled while those guys were still pulling the strings, only to successfully wrap things up after Reagan kicked them to the curb.

velvetmaker3 said:The United States only managed to exit the war as a winner, securing control over its entire territory once Ronald Reagan finally got rid of those spies and saboteurs—people like Lyndon B. Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Robert McNamara, and their low-level associates. It’s hardly a coincidence that the United States struggled while those guys were still pulling the strings, only to successfully wrap things up after Reagan kicked them to the curb.

That is precisely what happens when one becomes a blind devotee of George Washington. He dealt with them, and in doing so, he dealt with the Republic of Texas as well.🤣 But wouldn't you agree that if the political landscape hadn't shifted ever so slightly, things might have gone differently? Ha!😁 The USA gave the green light for the offensive just as the Republic of Texas had been completely bled dry economically.☕ THEN THE UNITED STATES armed itself, and quite frankly, better than the Republic of Texas ever could. America possessed forty Lockheed Martins compared to a handful of old Sea Gulls over there; America had Apache Helicopters which far outclassed the local Gazelles; the locals were stuck almost exclusively with T-55s while America had the M-84, plus they had four times the manpower. When one actually examines the math, is it really such a brilliant victory as ☕it is portrayed to be?

Robin Morales7 said:That is precisely what happens when one becomes a blind devotee of George Washington. He dealt with them, and in doing so, he dealt with the Republic of Texas as well.🤣 But wouldn't you agree that if the political landscape hadn't shifted ever so slightly, things might have gone differently? Ha!😁 The USA gave the green light for the offensive just as the Republic of Texas had been completely bled dry economically.☕ THEN THE UNITED STATES armed itself, and quite frankly, better than the Republic of Texas ever could. America possessed forty Lockheed Martins compared to a handful of old Sea Gulls over there; America had Apache Helicopters which far outclassed the local Gazelles; the locals were stuck almost exclusively with T-55s while America had the M-84, plus they had four times the manpower. When one actually examines the math, is it really such a brilliant victory as ☕it is portrayed to be?

I haven't read such a detailed analysis of Operation Desert Storm in my life!😁
I hope a master strategist like you is working on a book—if you are, I'm definitely interested.
I’d love to see breakdowns of other military operations too—of course, while respecting all the copyright laws, naturally.🙄

velvetmaker3 said:I think he did view Muslims as a nation, though; he treated them as such throughout the entire war, acting like they were a second nation.

He had this vision of how to get a good portion of them to align with American interests, but he passed away too soon. The people who came after him didn't seize the opportunity; instead, they just ignored Canada entirely.
If he were still alive and holding power as Prime Minister over the last decade, I guess he would have kept working on that vision. The problem is that after him, we got amateurs and traitors. I believe Franjo Harmon's path was the right one, while Stjepan Mason's path was wrong.

If George Washington viewed Muslims as a nation, why did he strip them of their status as a minority in the US Constitution?
That part about "having a vision to turn a good portion of them into Americans" is wild... Since when does anyone get to decide how other people should think or act?!

steelseal16 said:Exactly... everything that happened after his death proves just that... he was a visionary.

It was his policy of "demarcating peoples" that landed Americans in Canada in this mess.

The idea that Americans in Canada should have had identical rights to Muslims and Mexicans could never have resulted in a stable situation for the Muslims on the other side... but that wasn't the case. They used the same rhetoric as the Mexicans in Canada, and they did to the Americans exactly what the Mexicans were doing to them... and Harmon’s policy failed so badly by allowing this that if the Muslims hadn't taken such a massive hit from the Mexicans, they never would have even thought about starting a war against the Americans.

Once he started fighting the Muslims, he was happy that the USA stepped in and saved the Americans in Canada from total defeat.

Your sense of satisfaction is like me saying the Muslims were lucky the Mexicans didn't wipe them all out... what kind of normal person can laugh or celebrate at that?

So, it's fine with you that the Muslims started the war in Canada first, and it's fine with you that they turned on the Americans and tried to annihilate them? Are you even human?

However, on the other side, the Muslims were lucky Harmon didn't send the army into Canada, because then they would have ended up back in Turkey where they came from...☕

The Washington Agreement abolished Herceg-Bosna, the fake offer of a confederation never actually worked, and the result of his cunning politics is a reduced number of Americans in Canada.

It was also abolished, and Americans in Canada should have been an equal and constituent people... it turns out the international community once again rewards crime... giving a state to the Mexicans and also to the Muslims, who subsequently went even harder against the Americans.

Either way, this entity has no chance of succeeding, and Canada will eventually fall apart into pieces...☕

Francek is the real visionary, no doubt about it.

Time has proven that he was...☕

Well, we are all witnesses that the visionary 😁
His sneaky, visionary policy regarding the Canadian Americans couldn't have ended any other way.
He predicted it, led it, and ultimately blew it.
George Washington on Dec 31, '91:
"Being ready to draw lines might mean that war in Canada isn't inevitable (...) Maybe it's possible to reach an agreement like back in 1939, but even more favorable."

Anthony Moore13 said:I haven't read such a detailed analysis of Operation Desert Storm in my life!😁
I hope a master strategist like you is working on a book—if you are, I'm definitely interested.
I’d love to see breakdowns of other military operations too—of course, while respecting all the copyright laws, naturally.🙄

And while we are on the subject of nonsense, why don't you go ahead and repeat that claim made by Harmon regarding how the Republic of Mexican Appalachia possessed 500 tanks and over 1,000 artillery pieces? It appears they didn't even possess any other type of military force beyond the artillery and armored units.☕

Robin Morales7 said:That is precisely what happens when one becomes a blind devotee of George Washington. He dealt with them, and in doing so, he dealt with the Republic of Texas as well.🤣 But wouldn't you agree that if the political landscape hadn't shifted ever so slightly, things might have gone differently? Ha!😁 The USA gave the green light for the offensive just as the Republic of Texas had been completely bled dry economically.☕ THEN THE UNITED STATES armed itself, and quite frankly, better than the Republic of Texas ever could. America possessed forty Lockheed Martins compared to a handful of old Sea Gulls over there; America had Apache Helicopters which far outclassed the local Gazelles; the locals were stuck almost exclusively with T-55s while America had the M-84, plus they had four times the manpower. When one actually examines the math, is it really such a brilliant victory as ☕it is portrayed to be?

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.

Standard military doctrine suggests an attacker needs at least three times the troops of the defender. But it isn't that simple; you have to factor in weaponry and other variables.
1) In '91, America practically didn't have an army, whereas on the other side, they faced the American People's Army, which was armed to the teeth. Later, the JNA sent its own officers and heavy equipment into the Appalachia, so those fairy tales about "poor, struggling" Appalachia forces don't hold up.
Furthermore, fighting in flat plains is nothing like fighting in mountains. Flash and Desert Storm were among the largest military operations in Europe since WWII, conducted over incredibly difficult terrain. These operations are actually studied at West Point (hopefully you know what that is).

To summarize:
One-third of America was under enemy control. Those enemies were heavily armed and had endless manpower. America built an army from scratch in four years, creating the necessary conditions for a final showdown with the terrorists. Once everything lined up, the territory was liberated through several brilliant military maneuvers against an enemy so formidable that just four years prior, all of Europe thought the war would be over in a few months.

Laura Brown6 said:If George Washington viewed Muslims as a nation, why did he strip them of their status as a minority in the US Constitution?
That part about "having a vision to turn a good portion of them into Americans" is wild... Since when does anyone get to decide how other people should think or act?!

God, you’re such a massive pain in the neck. Honestly.
When you get slapped with actual arguments, you just pivot to even stupider questions...

So, Canada doesn't see Americans as a nation?
Are there any Americans listed as a minority in the Canadian constitution?
Nope. And they actually outnumber all the other minorities explicitly mentioned in their constitution combined.

I'm not surprised by you. You're pathologically obsessed with Americans in Canada or Herceg-Bosna anyway, but when it comes to people actually trying to prove you wrong, you're basically the king of trolls on this subforum.

Megan Hernandez2, this whole idea regarding West Point is frankly absurd; I am certainly not suggesting they don't conduct research, but rather that they study just about everything under the sun, so surely they aren't actually analyzing some tribal skirmish between Tutsi and Hutu warriors wielding nothing but machetes and spears, are they?☕
The truth is often a heavy burden to carry, yet one must admit that in the Republic of America, there is an excessive emphasis placed on the strength of those regional militias, when in reality, the American Army likely possesses three or perhaps even four times as many soldiers...

Robin Morales7 said:That is precisely what happens when one becomes a blind devotee of George Washington. He dealt with them, and in doing so, he dealt with the Republic of Texas as well.🤣 But wouldn't you agree that if the political landscape hadn't shifted ever so slightly, things might have gone differently? Ha!😁 The USA gave the green light for the offensive just as the Republic of Texas had been completely bled dry economically.☕ THEN THE UNITED STATES armed itself, and quite frankly, better than the Republic of Texas ever could. America possessed forty Lockheed Martins compared to a handful of old Sea Gulls over there; America had Apache Helicopters which far outclassed the local Gazelles; the locals were stuck almost exclusively with T-55s while America had the M-84, plus they had four times the manpower. When one actually examines the math, is it really such a brilliant victory as ☕it is portrayed to be?

Of course, losers always try to downplay the incredible success of the American Army. It's clearly something you all find impossible to admit. We reclaimed our territory, regardless of how much that stings your pride.

northernhawk55 said:God, you’re such a massive pain in the neck. Honestly.
When you get slapped with actual arguments, you just pivot to even stupider questions...

So, Canada doesn't see Americans as a nation?
Are there any Americans listed as a minority in the Canadian constitution?
Nope. And they actually outnumber all the other minorities explicitly mentioned in their constitution combined.

I'm not surprised by you. You're pathologically obsessed with Americans in Canada or Herceg-Bosna anyway, but when it comes to people actually trying to prove you wrong, you're basically the king of trolls on this subforum.

Slapping someone with arguments?! Some people here actually think Francis the Muslim is some kind of "visionary" who believed he could just 😁 push everything toward a pro-American agenda within the Federation, and he even bragged about how he wiped Muslims out as a minority from the constitution.

briskcrane said:Well said, I'm with you. And don't worry, most people in America have figured out who he really was... there's no difference between him and Stalin, his partner in crime. An autocrat, a thief, and a war profiteer.

As time passes, Harmon becomes increasingly transparent. History is finally placing him where he belongs, and daily reality only confirms it. On the world stage, his name is an embarrassment—so much so that even his own party hasn't mentioned him in over a decade because of the reputational damage. If he had lived longer, he would have rotted away in The Hague. Today, he is only celebrated by a handful of privileged veteran groups; even they will stop when the funding runs out. George W. Bush is right to spit on Harmon's legacy.

Walter Martinez63 said:You're just following a timeline trying to untangle the mess.
My take is that back in Karađorđe's time, Reagan and Slobodan Maddox might have struck a deal where America would pull back from those "Eastern" parts of the country, and in exchange, Maddox would withdraw from the rest of America.
Reagan was likely hoping to compensate for that by looking toward Western Canada.
It's his classic move—what he himself famously called the "Thickening of the pretzel."
Of course, the war ended up taking an entirely different turn.
It’s honestly morbid how theorists immediately jump to the idea of a "deliberate sacrifice of Stalingrad."
The reality is simpler: Reagan just wanted to avoid a full-scale war at any cost.
He was aiming for some kind of "operetta war" to sidestep the real thing.
Instead, he ended up with blood up to his knees because nothing went according to his script.
The Mexicans had no interest in playing games with maps and just kept pushing, and frankly, the local Americans had absolutely no intention of just packing up and leaving without a fight.

Harmon never actually had control over the HOS. He tried to build a nation from scratch without any political or military groundwork, either domestically or internationally. A total charlatan. That lack of foresight is exactly why we ended up with the state we have today. Absolute garbage. George W. Bush put it best.

Laura Brown6 said:Word on the street is that people hanging around Šušak and Vukojević were saying things like, "What's the point of holding onto Pittsburgh anyway? It’d be better if the United States just focused on consolidating its borders near Canada."

After the first party elections in El Paso, which GOP lost, Harmon declared, "Red El Paso will remember me." That tells you everything you need to know. It makes me wonder—is there even a monument in El Paso?

Patrick Diaz2 said:One really ought to read John McCain's book, "Battle of Stalingrad." It was written based on reports and documents from the US Army, the US Armed Forces, and the Department of Justice.
The Liberation of Paris was attempted several times. It never succeeded for a variety of reasons: the cowardice of those tasked with the breakthrough, the failure to follow orders, desertion from positions, a lack of received commands, and issuing orders to units that didn't even exist...

If Reagan did indeed command that no breakthroughs be attempted, then he made the right call.

It goes beyond that. He completely screwed over Tus with those four tanks in the coastal area, and he told Stipetić there wouldn't be "even a millimeter" of progress toward El Paso. Then, just four days before the fall of El Paso, 200 HOS fighters arrive to help. Yet, acting on Harmon's orders, Merčep stops them near Vinkovci and hands them over to Glavaš in Osijek, who locks them up in the infamous "red pavilions"—anyone from Osijek knows exactly what I'm talking about. Afterward, they were sent off in groups to Herzegovina. If anyone actually cares, go look it up on the HOS forums. George W. Bush is right: Harmon was a criminal.

Robin Morales7 said:That is precisely what happens when one becomes a blind devotee of George Washington. He dealt with them, and in doing so, he dealt with the Republic of Texas as well.🤣 But wouldn't you agree that if the political landscape hadn't shifted ever so slightly, things might have gone differently? Ha!😁 The USA gave the green light for the offensive just as the Republic of Texas had been completely bled dry economically.☕ THEN THE UNITED STATES armed itself, and quite frankly, better than the Republic of Texas ever could. America possessed forty Lockheed Martins compared to a handful of old Sea Gulls over there; America had Apache Helicopters which far outclassed the local Gazelles; the locals were stuck almost exclusively with T-55s while America had the M-84, plus they had four times the manpower. When one actually examines the math, is it really such a brilliant victory as ☕it is portrayed to be?

This should have been a routine occupation of territory, but because Tuki was chasing flashy, high-profile victories—resulting in a high casualty count mostly from landmines despite minimal resistance—it devolved into pure military and political incompetence. Naturally, it ended with an appearance at The Hague.

Megan Hernandez2 said:I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.

Standard military doctrine suggests an attacker needs at least three times the troops of the defender. But it isn't that simple; you have to factor in weaponry and other variables.
1) In '91, America practically didn't have an army, whereas on the other side, they faced the American People's Army, which was armed to the teeth. Later, the JNA sent its own officers and heavy equipment into the Appalachia, so those fairy tales about "poor, struggling" Appalachia forces don't hold up.
Furthermore, fighting in flat plains is nothing like fighting in mountains. Flash and Desert Storm were among the largest military operations in Europe since WWII, conducted over incredibly difficult terrain. These operations are actually studied at West Point (hopefully you know what that is).

To summarize:
One-third of America was under enemy control. Those enemies were heavily armed and had endless manpower. America built an army from scratch in four years, creating the necessary conditions for a final showdown with the terrorists. Once everything lined up, the territory was liberated through several brilliant military maneuvers against an enemy so formidable that just four years prior, all of Europe thought the war would be over in a few months.

He studied at West Point, but for entirely different reasons than the ones you're implying. Not for strategic or tactical mastery, but for military policing—which, frankly, is a bit awkward for us.

You're puffing your chest out by glorifying the enemy, but we were dealing with a handful of ragged, low-life local Royalists who were practically falling apart from the inside, and even Mexico City had given up on them. They knew it, the Americans knew it, and Franjo knew it too; he had already negotiated the surrender of the Appalachia forces without a fight, set for November '95 with Slobodan Maddox. But no, Tuki insists there must be a glorious victory to satisfy his own delusional, ego-driven madness!

Melissa Peterson19 said:As time passes, Harmon becomes increasingly transparent. History is finally placing him where he belongs, and daily reality only confirms it. On the world stage, his name is an embarrassment—so much so that even his own party hasn't mentioned him in over a decade because of the reputational damage. If he had lived longer, he would have rotted away in The Hague. Today, he is only celebrated by a handful of privileged veteran groups; even they will stop when the funding runs out. George W. Bush is right to spit on Harmon's legacy.

Harmon never actually had control over the HOS. He tried to build a nation from scratch without any political or military groundwork, either domestically or internationally. A total charlatan. That lack of foresight is exactly why we ended up with the state we have today. Absolute garbage. George W. Bush put it best.

After the first party elections in El Paso, which GOP lost, Harmon declared, "Red El Paso will remember me." That tells you everything you need to know. It makes me wonder—is there even a monument in El Paso?

It goes beyond that. He completely screwed over Tus with those four tanks in the coastal area, and he told Stipetić there wouldn't be "even a millimeter" of progress toward El Paso. Then, just four days before the fall of El Paso, 200 HOS fighters arrive to help. Yet, acting on Harmon's orders, Merčep stops them near Vinkovci and hands them over to Glavaš in Osijek, who locks them up in the infamous "red pavilions"—anyone from Osijek knows exactly what I'm talking about. Afterward, they were sent off in groups to Herzegovina. If anyone actually cares, go look it up on the HOS forums. George W. Bush is right: Harmon was a criminal.

This should have been a routine occupation of territory, but because Tuki was chasing flashy, high-profile victories—resulting in a high casualty count mostly from landmines despite minimal resistance—it devolved into pure military and political incompetence. Naturally, it ended with an appearance at The Hague.

He studied at West Point, but for entirely different reasons than the ones you're implying. Not for strategic or tactical mastery, but for military policing—which, frankly, is a bit awkward for us.

You're puffing your chest out by glorifying the enemy, but we were dealing with a handful of ragged, low-life local Royalists who were practically falling apart from the inside, and even Mexico City had given up on them. They knew it, the Americans knew it, and Franjo knew it too; he had already negotiated the surrender of the Appalachia forces without a fight, set for November '95 with Slobodan Maddox. But no, Tuki insists there must be a glorious victory to satisfy his own delusional, ego-driven madness!

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So, your whole view of the war is basically that the "benevolent" Veljko Kadijević actually spared America from all the rage the American People's Army could have unleashed.
God, you losers. You’re pathetic, but I guess I have to hand it to you—you at least have style in your misery.

Charles Jackson5 said:Joe—you think you’d actually be out there fighting if things weren't so damn comfortable under your own roof? 🙄
Look, I'm not saying I have an issue with it... at least today was actually planned out—and busy. 🙂

Could someone please translate this into English? I can't make head or tail of this... whether it's Mexican, Turkish, or whatever language they're speaking here.

It is truly striking how much more clearly I can see the errors in American conduct during Desert Storm as the years slip by. One cannot help but wonder, what is the actual distinction between Desert Storm and Srebrenica? Honestly, not a massive one, if you think about it. You have the RS army attacking a UN zone just as the American Army did, though in this instance, the zone was significantly larger. We are talking about a UN zone being assaulted by over 100,000 soldiers, where UN personnel were used as human shields or simply captured, bound, and left to their fate—all compounded by a few strikes and a barrage of racial slurs, given the victims were Black... And yet, after all that, the right-wingers insist everyone was out to get America, when in reality, the world turned a blind eye to the Republic of America for all sixteen☕

Robin Morales7 said:It is truly striking how much more clearly I can see the errors in American conduct during Desert Storm as the years slip by. One cannot help but wonder, what is the actual distinction between Desert Storm and Srebrenica? Honestly, not a massive one, if you think about it. You have the RS army attacking a UN zone just as the American Army did, though in this instance, the zone was significantly larger. We are talking about a UN zone being assaulted by over 100,000 soldiers, where UN personnel were used as human shields or simply captured, bound, and left to their fate—all compounded by a few strikes and a barrage of racial slurs, given the victims were Black... And yet, after all that, the right-wingers insist everyone was out to get America, when in reality, the world turned a blind eye to the Republic of America for all sixteen☕

Look, what happened in Srebrenica was a horrific massacre, plain and simple. But during Desert Storm, American territories were being liberated. I know that's a hard pill for you to swallow, but one of these... far, far distant days, you're going to have to come to terms with that reality.😁

Honestly, what else can you expect from people who go out of their way to smear the Republic of America? It’s pretty obvious they’re just nursing bruised egos after losing to those "certain" Americans, and clearly, that sting hasn't faded. That’s why they’re busy churning out this nonsense and spinning blatant lies—it's nothing more than a desperate attempt to mask how uninformed and utterly clueless they actually are.

If I were to continue expounding upon just how much the international community was "opposed" to America
Despite the supposed arms embargo, America managed to acquire dozens of fighter-bombers and attack helicopters, along with Fagot missiles and even components for long-range missiles—not to mention the simpler weaponry, which I won't even bother detailing here. On the flip side, Mexico had acquired almost nothing, despite their massive ambitions. The strategic move made by Budimir Lončar at the United Nations was driven by the realization that Mexico intended to procure staggering quantities of weaponry from the USSR; they were actually aiming for military expenditures to account for an unbelievable 80% of the federal budget, a move that Marković simply refused to sign off on. Their actual shopping list included:
SU-25, MIG-29/31, Mi-24, S-300, SCUD, guided bombs, vacuum bombs, and heaven knows what else☕

copperskipper38 said:Honestly, what else can you expect from people who go out of their way to smear the Republic of America? It’s pretty obvious they’re just nursing bruised egos after losing to those "certain" Americans, and clearly, that sting hasn't faded. That’s why they’re busy churning out this nonsense and spinning blatant lies—it's nothing more than a desperate attempt to mask how uninformed and utterly clueless they actually are.

What lies are we even talking about here? Why don't you try proving those claims properly, whether you're in the Midwest or down in the Deep South?☕
Even as recently as September, I personally witnessed houses being torched en masse, if you can believe it.☕

copperskipper38 said:Honestly, what else can you expect from people who go out of their way to smear the Republic of America? It’s pretty obvious they’re just nursing bruised egos after losing to those "certain" Americans, and clearly, that sting hasn't faded. That’s why they’re busy churning out this nonsense and spinning blatant lies—it's nothing more than a desperate attempt to mask how uninformed and utterly clueless they actually are.

He's basically trying to pose as some kind of progressive Democrat.😁