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Is it possible (and even desirable) to be in two places at once?

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Zachary Cook2 Zachary Cook2 Active Member
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#61 ·
Nancy Harris6 said:Zachary Cook2...

I tend to take my dreams quite seriously, experiencing them with the same weight and intensity as my waking life... They feel full of purpose and genuine vitality. In my mind, there isn't really a distinction between what happens while I sleep and what happens when I'm awake; they both hold equal value... 🙂

Man, where have you been hiding? 😁 Seriously though, it's nice when someone actually gets it, but from what I can see, you still have a lot to learn about this stuff... 😉 Dreams are just as real as what we're doing right now; the only real difference is that in dreams, things are much more fluid and relaxed, so we can shape energy however we want. Here, everything is already set in stone—we don't have that kind of control.
Zachary Cook2 Zachary Cook2 Active Member
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#62 ·
Nancy Harris6 said:Well, someone has to get the ball rolling somewhere! 😁

For the record, while those blue angels are great—I'm not filing reports with the cops, just stacking books on my shelf. 😛

As for getting started, I have... and since we're talking beginnings, my core philosophy is simply that everything is energy, so I start by trying to understand both the world and myself, building my knowledge of the metaphysical and the physical simultaneously... 🙂 I suspect true wisdom remains out of reach if one doesn't establish the right foundations, much like anything else worth doing in this life.

I find myself fascinated by energy in every sense of the word. It’s hard to put into words... it’s an endless expanse, all the timelessness and everything, everything... 😍

Man, that’s actually huge...👍 it’s great, especially if you’re actually aware of it right now. If you've got that realization in this moment, you're already way ahead of the game.
Bradley Myers63 Bradley Myers63 Member
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#63 ·
Zachary Cook2 said:I don't think you get it—this isn't some casual stroll through Central Park.🙂

When it comes to actual knowledge, Kastaned was essentially a once-in-a-millennium bridge—a three-pronged nagual who existed solely to pass this wisdom down through his books.
The thing is, this knowledge wasn't even "his" to begin with; it’s Toltec wisdom that's been handed down through generations for thousands of years.
He describes both the new and the old types of seers. These "new" ones are warriors—which is exactly what we're dealing with here—focusing on nothing but freedom of consciousness, not some dark, paranoid delusions. The books also touch on the old guard; they lost their way and became black magicians, but they're really just mentioned as cautionary tales—examples of what *not* to do and where they went wrong.

What you're saying about the brain misses the point of left and right consciousness. The right side handles everything you visually perceive, while you have to master the left side to actually grasp the knowledge without needing constant explanations or chatter.

Look, just do some reading. It's not like you can't squeeze in 15 or 20 pages during a break every day. Honestly, just keep a book in there with you when you're on the toilet—that's plenty of time. 😂

Vision? I wouldn't know—I haven't really looked into that. You’d need to slog through a few of his books to get a handle on it, and even then, you probably wouldn't catch everything. I touched on most of what I mentioned above regarding why it might be impossible—I just don't sense much energy behind all this supposed "firmness" Don Carlos talked about. The consensus on the material world tends to do its thing.

Zachary Cook2 said:I don't think you get it—this isn't some casual stroll through Central Park.🙂

When it comes to actual knowledge, Kastaned was essentially a once-in-a-millennium bridge—a three-pronged nagual who existed solely to pass this wisdom down through his books.
The thing is, this knowledge wasn't even "his" to begin with; it’s Toltec wisdom that's been handed down through generations for thousands of years.
He describes both the new and the old types of seers. These "new" ones are warriors—which is exactly what we're dealing with here—focusing on nothing but freedom of consciousness, not some dark, paranoid delusions. The books also touch on the old guard; they lost their way and became black magicians, but they're really just mentioned as cautionary tales—examples of what *not* to do and where they went wrong.

What you're saying about the brain misses the point of left and right consciousness. The right side handles everything you visually perceive, while you have to master the left side to actually grasp the knowledge without needing constant explanations or chatter.

Look, just do some reading. It's not like you can't squeeze in 15 or 20 pages during a break every day. Honestly, just keep a book in there with you when you're on the toilet—that's plenty of time. 😂

If I actually sat down and read books—as much as I tend to talk trash—I’d probably be a walking encyclopedia by now.

Starting is never the issue—there’s always plenty of time for that. The real problem is once they actually get going—they’ll probably just spend all their time shaving and acting like a know-it-all to push their new "expertise" on friends—kind of like a peacock spreading its feathers, haha. 😂
I finally found some peace of mind recently—just so I can actually enjoy it for a bit. Once I get bored, I might switch up my reading material, though I don't think everything is meant for everyone. Bad content can actually be harmful if you aren't ready for it, or if you just don't "get" it. It’s a waste of time to read something only to walk away without understanding a thing. And what you mentioned applies to reading too—you really need to take a Quotation to heart rather than just skimming the surface.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#64 ·
dustyskipper3 said:In this morning's paper, I was reading about how scientists Dr. Saša Ceci and Dr. Dario Hrupec from the Roger Bošković Institute are challenging Dr. Davor Pavuna’s claim that "judge Zlatko can levitate according to the laws of physics," and his suggestion that he might "soon, much like Jesus, pass through walls."

Regarding judge Zlatko’s perception of reality, Dr. Hrupec—speaking as someone who views him as a charismatic and passionate believer—noted: "That is his reality, and the reality of his followers. In his own mind, he is levitating, existing here and there simultaneously. We skeptics, perhaps, cannot perceive this, but then again, who are we to blame if our minds aren't quite as open?"

Pavuna, however, counters by saying that "science is merely the poetry of living nature’s creation." When addressing testimonies of levitation and descriptions of similar paranormal events, he suggests that "Nikola Tesla understood this perfectly, as did Roger Bošković, each within the context of their own era."


As for the actual physics, I suppose there are some explanations floating around the internet. Some mention the example of Paramahansa Yogananda, who reportedly witnessed the bilocation of his teacher, a family friend and yogi named Swami Pranabananda.

The discovery of "biophotons"—this coherent light, almost like a laser, stored in and emitted by all living cells—suggests that quantum states of coherent photons at a macro level could produce resonant, collective wave effects, such as telepathy or even teleportation. Swanson mentions that the human body could be viewed as a "quantum system, with a set of quantum states vibrating together." Essentially, the human body might function as a coherent oscillatory system where every electron synchronizes with the others in a shared phase, mutually stimulating one another to vibrate. When the human body builds up a reservoir of coherent energy that takes on a spatial pattern, it increases the probability that such a structure or pattern will manifest in real life. This power of coherence and synchronization might allow for extraordinary phenomena, like people being able to teleport or exist in two places at once.

So, I guess a theoretical basis for this kind of thinking does actually exist. But it makes me wonder... why would people even want to bilocate in the first place? For telepathy or teleportation, the reason seems obvious—it saves time and makes communication or travel more efficient. But bilocation, from what I understand, happens when someone has an intense, overwhelming desire to be somewhere else. Maybe they want to be with a loved one to help them or just to see them, but they are physically stuck elsewhere due to their location or perhaps certain obligations and duties that prevent them from traveling. In that case, maybe that intense feeling creates this coherence and synchronization—this resonant quantum effect. It's as if the electron vibration triggered by that initial feeling somehow transfers via resonance to every single electron in every cell of the body, allowing the person to be in two different places at once.

😍What do you all think about that?

I actually read a column by this Dr. Hrupec in The New York Times just a couple of weeks ago. Honestly, I haven't encountered this much sheer backwardness in quite some time.
He brags about his "critical thinking," but to me, his reasoning feels entirely unscientific—he clearly rejects certain ideas outright simply because they don't fit his personal worldview. That kind of behavior is fundamentally incompatible with science; in fact, it’s the opposite of science and serves only to stall scientific progress for centuries.

I’d much rather see a scientist make an honest mistake during research than see them reflexively dismiss any phenomenon that deviates even slightly from their established paradigm...
The truly great scientists were never like that—if they had been, they never would have discovered anything at all...

Personally, I find his blog to be pretty low-quality, and I honestly don't understand why he's given a platform at all. (I certainly won't be reading him anymore—I really don't see the point...) But hey, I suppose that's just how things work in a smaller country.

I genuinely wonder how these people will handle themselves—what they'll say or do (or if they'll just try to lay low)—when the things they mocked and insisted were impossible finally start being proven true. History always repeats itself, but someone blinded by their own perceived omniscience fails to notice. With him, you don't see any sign of him doubting what he thinks he knows (which should be the hallmark of any true thinker...) It would be fine if they just admitted when they were wrong, but I highly doubt that will happen.
Anyway.
Beyond that, I didn't appreciate how he was throwing accusations at others (Pavuna, if I recall correctly, or perhaps Paar) in that blog post—calling them arrogant or egotistical. From every single article he writes, it's blatantly obvious that he suffers from those exact same flaws—if not to a greater degree, then at least equally. So, it isn't right, purely on a human level, and it shows the man isn't self-aware regarding his own shortcomings.

Moving on from the topic, it seems fairly clear to me—and I have a decent grasp of how this works—that things like levitation and bilocation are possible... just as much as telekinesis, telepathy, materialization, and so on. There is a mountain of documented cases and testimonies, not to mention scientific research involving things like zero-point fields that support these phenomena.

As for Zlatko sudac, I can't speak to his levitation or bilocation (I know for a fact he had authentic stigmata, but many people do. In fact, a friend of mine is heading to Damascus, Syria, on my recommendation to visit a woman there who also possesses authentic stigmata—they appear every Good Friday, year after year, and she is a very famous and successful healer...) so, regarding Zlatko sudac's levitation and bilocation, I don't know; perhaps it happened spontaneously once early on when he first had the stigmata, but I seriously doubt he has those abilities under conscious control or displays them frequently.

A person would need to be much more balanced to consciously wield such abilities.
As far as I know, even Francis of Assisi didn't command his levitation...
With Jesus, it's a different story...
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#65 ·
mistyscout2 said:For the most part, it’s just not possible. That’s basically why humans went through the trouble of inventing the television, and later on, the internet. Before all that tech existed—and really, only in certain other civilizations at the time—some people would eat all sorts of strange mushrooms and plants, and then they’d claim they were somehow in two places at once. Then again, you also had all those storytellers and bards who loved to "show" people different lands through their tales and folklore, essentially using the magic of language to guide them into entirely different worlds...

What is the point of listing all these obvious things? 🙂

Quotation:
But physically? I highly doubt it.
Well, it's great that you're skeptical—though it seems to me you're skeptical of much more than just this, Hlupec (but then again, he does have his own blog over at the jutarnji Portak 😁 )
I'm weighing in because I think that distinction you made is important.
The crux of the matter, as I see it, is the ongoing debate regarding what actually constitutes something "physical" or material...
There are so many questions here, and frankly, it's because of contrarians like Hrupec that science struggles to provide answers. Of course, in esoteric circles, these answers have been known for ages; that knowledge is passed down from those who possess these abilities and understand them through direct experience. But no—they aren't going to hand these truths to science on a silver platter when a scientist can discover them independently. If they did, it would undermine human will and the capacity to learn. And besides, a scientist might just reject the tray entirely—dismissing it as a trick and claiming it isn't worth investigating. Who knows where that leads... maybe forcing the tray into their hands? It doesn't work that way. Science has to reach these conclusions on its own terms and remain open-minded, which is starting to happen—but most of those people are working tirelessly from dawn to dusk, drawing inspiration and staying out of the spotlight instead of writing silly blogs.
Nancy Harris6 Nancy Harris6 Member
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#66 ·
Zachary Cook2 said:Man, where have you been hiding? 😁 Seriously though, it's nice when someone actually gets it, but from what I can see, you still have a lot to learn about this stuff... 😉 Dreams are just as real as what we're doing right now; the only real difference is that in dreams, things are much more fluid and relaxed, so we can shape energy however we want. Here, everything is already set in stone—we don't have that kind of control.

Up until now, I’ve mostly been coasting along at the bottom—pure leisure.
Which meant I was eventually forced to actually study. 🙂
And—voila—here I am (and now 😁).

I definitely still have more to learn...

First and foremost, I need hands-on practice...

Zachary Cook2 said:Wow, that’s a huge deal... it’s wonderful, especially if you’re conscious of it right now in this moment, because then you already have a real head start...

I'm learning, I'm learning...
mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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#67 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:What is the point of listing all these obvious things? 🙂

Quotation:
But physically? I highly doubt it.
Well, it's great that you're skeptical—though it seems to me you're skeptical of much more than just this, Hlupec (but then again, he does have his own blog over at the jutarnji Portak 😁 )
I'm weighing in because I think that distinction you made is important.
The crux of the matter, as I see it, is the ongoing debate regarding what actually constitutes something "physical" or material...
There are so many questions here, and frankly, it's because of contrarians like Hrupec that science struggles to provide answers. Of course, in esoteric circles, these answers have been known for ages; that knowledge is passed down from those who possess these abilities and understand them through direct experience. But no—they aren't going to hand these truths to science on a silver platter when a scientist can discover them independently. If they did, it would undermine human will and the capacity to learn. And besides, a scientist might just reject the tray entirely—dismissing it as a trick and claiming it isn't worth investigating. Who knows where that leads... maybe forcing the tray into their hands? It doesn't work that way. Science has to reach these conclusions on its own terms and remain open-minded, which is starting to happen—but most of those people are working tirelessly from dawn to dusk, drawing inspiration and staying out of the spotlight instead of writing silly blogs.

It turns out Zlatko sudac isn't the only one capable of being in two places at once:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZLQW2qr5Hs
dustyskipper3 dustyskipper3 Active MemberOP
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#68 ·
mistyscout2 said:It turns out Zlatko sudac isn't the only one capable of being in two places at once:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZLQW2qr5Hs

It’s an interesting example, I guess. But the real question is... how would a person even coordinate two bodies at the exact same time? Even this single one seems pretty complicated to manage, let alone trying to handle two.

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