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Humanitarian aid for Haiti.

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Participants coastalridge64Nancy Wood6goldensailor15electricangler22James Nguyen13Richard Wilson4Nathan Ramirez24Hannah Hill3bluerider63Donna Newman24Kevin Gonzalez79mistyjackal14Jesse Howard3Brandon Mitchell6swiftfalcon4John Diaz77Patrick Diaz2bluecobra27wiredmarlin32Maria BoothRyan Gomez4northernscout54Jack Gomez19Ryan Bishop2 …
swiftfalcon4 swiftfalcon4 Newcomer
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#21 ·
coastalridge64 said:Do you actually have any proof for those claims? 🤮

It’s all true, unfortunately, though that doesn't change the fact that people still desperately need help in a crisis like this... and since the American people are already struggling and broke, if something like this were to happen—whether it hits you or me, it makes no difference—any kind of assistance would be a lifeline. Even if everything were "fixed," America would still be in a rough spot... just try to put yourself in their shoes for once, and attempt to think with a bit of humanity, if that's even possible for someone like you.
I honestly feel sorry for you...
John Diaz77 John Diaz77 Newcomer
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#22 ·
goldensailor15 said:What a total disaster, nature just reminding us who’s actually in charge. I really hope the money actually makes it to the people who need it most.

I'm thinking this probably has even less to do with nature than that.
John Diaz77 John Diaz77 Newcomer
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#23 ·
Hannah Hill3 said:Sometimes, doing nothing is better than throwing money at people you can't actually help.
I'm sure many of you will jump down my throat immediately.
The issue is that this earthquake in Haiti doesn't mean everything was perfect before it hit.
It wasn't. Haiti has always been a mess. Now, the American Red Cross has suddenly remembered they can make a profit off it.

The truth is, you'll donate your hundred bucks and feel like you've saved the world. That money will never actually reach Haiti; in two months, we'll all be wondering what happened to them. Meanwhile, certain executives at the American Red Cross will just see bigger bonuses.
In two months, Haiti will return to exactly how it was before the quake, and all that "big-hearted" sympathy for the poor will vanish during summer vacation.
As for the money hitting the Haitian government's accounts? It’ll likely be diverted to pay off debts to the IMF and the World Bank.
People will still be starving, and absolutely nothing will change.

Honestly, I feel bad for people like you. Where do you even find this much pessimism? How do you even manage to get out of bed in the morning thinking about the world like this? Even if everything you're saying is true, isn't it just more natural, maybe even healthier, to believe in something else and hope for the best? Your points might be valid, but man, your vibe is just totally off. Try being a little positive for once.👍
You're gonna reincarnate as a pebble in someone's shoe, seriously!🙂
Patrick Diaz2 Patrick Diaz2 Member
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#24 ·
Of course, a portion of the funds will inevitably be misappropriated or diverted elsewhere, but...

The people in Haiti needed assistance even before this earthquake struck, and now their need is absolutely desperate. To those of you calling for us to withhold aid, I can only sincerely wish that you never find yourselves facing such a catastrophe. Reports suggest the death toll is somewhere between 40,000 and 60,000 people. It is truly impossible for most to wrap one's mind around that scale of loss. And how many more have been injured? Homes have been leveled, farmland destroyed—everything these people owned has been reduced to nothing. While the small amount we contribute might seem insignificant to us, it will mean the world to the people of Haiti.

Whether we call to action or donate directly, it is far better that we provide support to others than to rely on the generosity of others to save us.
bluecobra27 bluecobra27 Active Member
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#25 ·
Honestly, it shouldn't be a big deal for anyone to call 1-800-RED-CROSS a few times and chip in whatever small donation they can. Why wouldn't you? It’s just a way to help people who have lost absolutely everything.
Hannah Hill3 Hannah Hill3 Member
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#26 ·
Haha, I told you they’d come after me. ☕

I own several companies. My business model includes donating 10% of net profits to various charities. That 10% figure is the absolute limit established by both Talmudic and Sharia law.

Since I am a North American, I take pride in knowing exactly where that 10% goes.
Unlike some of you, I don't need to rely on blind faith that my hard-earned bread reaches the hungry; I personally ensure it does.

As for you, you're just speculating. You hand over your money and let others decide what to do with it.
coastalridge64 coastalridge64 Active MemberOP
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#27 ·
We've managed to pull together $110,000. 👍
wiredmarlin32 wiredmarlin32 Newcomer
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#28 ·
I’m getting hit with this too, and honestly, my heart breaks for these people. If I actually had any money to spare, I’d give way more, but I’m just a college student, so I can "only" manage this much...
but look, even here in the States, we have entire regions that are completely left behind—like the rural Midwest—where people are desperate for help. Why has everyone stopped caring about them???
coastalridge64 coastalridge64 Active MemberOP
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#29 ·
The military really ought to be deployed down there. People are practically clawing at each other and killing one another just to get their hands on the tiny amount of humanitarian aid arriving. 😢
James Nguyen13 James Nguyen13 Regular
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#30 ·
Kevin Gonzalez79 said:Those same people who are whining right now would be the very first ones to attack the international community if something like this happened to us.

If you have any shred of compassion left, show it, because this is disgusting. Unfortunately, it just highlights a part of our own twisted mentality.

I have to disagree. Haiti is a country that has already proven to be a bottomless pit—they struggle to organize basic functions within their own borders. Good grief, they’re out there "protesting" against a lack of aid by blocking streets with corpses... I mean, what is wrong with them?
Sending help there feels like throwing money into a black hole; it’s much more effective to direct resources toward places where they can actually make an impact. It reminds me of trying to bail out a massive, failing shipyard—you keep pouring capital in, but the debt just keeps mounting.
Some folks argue that the people in Haiti needed help long before this crisis hit, but if you ask me, what they really needed was a way to pull themselves together first.
Maria Booth Maria Booth Active Member
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#31 ·
James Nguyen13 said:I have to disagree. Haiti is a country that has already proven to be a bottomless pit—they struggle to organize basic functions within their own borders. Good grief, they’re out there "protesting" against a lack of aid by blocking streets with corpses... I mean, what is wrong with them?
Sending help there feels like throwing money into a black hole; it’s much more effective to direct resources toward places where they can actually make an impact. It reminds me of trying to bail out a massive, failing shipyard—you keep pouring capital in, but the debt just keeps mounting.
Some folks argue that the people in Haiti needed help long before this crisis hit, but if you ask me, what they really needed was a way to pull themselves together first.


Of course we shouldn't just hand over cash to Haitians—that's just asking for trouble since the corrupt officials will just pocket it all. We should be sending food, medicine, and building supplies, but only if Western agencies manage the distribution. Aid needs to be strictly targeted toward earthquake recovery. Once that's done, they can figure things out on their own, just like they were doing before the disaster hit.
coastalridge64 coastalridge64 Active MemberOP
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#32 ·
Maria Booth said:Of course we shouldn't just hand over cash to Haitians—that's just asking for trouble since the corrupt officials will just pocket it all. We should be sending food, medicine, and building supplies, but only if Western agencies manage the distribution. Aid needs to be strictly targeted toward earthquake recovery. Once that's done, they can figure things out on their own, just like they were doing before the disaster hit.

But that’s exactly what happens. Targeted aid gets sent through CK. 🙄
The stuff the World Bank is up to seems pretty disorganized, but honestly, it isn't our money, so I don't spend too much time worrying about it.
Maria Booth Maria Booth Active Member
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#33 ·
coastalridge64 said:But that’s exactly what happens. Targeted aid gets sent through CK. 🙄
The stuff the World Bank is up to seems pretty disorganized, but honestly, it isn't our money, so I don't spend too much time worrying about it.

Yeah, I really hope so! But it just says they're raising money for Haiti—doesn't actually say what that cash is being used to buy.
James Nguyen13 James Nguyen13 Regular
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#34 ·
Maria Booth said:Of course we shouldn't just hand over cash to Haitians—that's just asking for trouble since the corrupt officials will just pocket it all. We should be sending food, medicine, and building supplies, but only if Western agencies manage the distribution. Aid needs to be strictly targeted toward earthquake recovery. Once that's done, they can figure things out on their own, just like they were doing before the disaster hit.

I’d actually be open to that idea, provided there was some kind of Western oversight in place to manage the process. That's really the only way it works.
In all honesty, if we actually forced them to take responsibility for their own recovery, they might finally pull themselves together and start organizing something productive. As it stands now, this kind of approach just risks resetting them back to the exact same tragic state they were in before the earthquake.
Sometimes, providing aid can actually end up being counterproductive.
coastalridge64 coastalridge64 Active MemberOP
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#35 ·
Maria Booth said:Yeah, I really hope so! But it just says they're raising money for Haiti—doesn't actually say what that cash is being used to buy.

Portable toilets, medicine, clean water, food... the essentials.
Ryan Gomez4 Ryan Gomez4 Active Member
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#36 ·
Watching international news, you see some countries sending aid and actually handling the distribution themselves, but now they're facing a massive issue with looters running wild through the streets.
northernscout54 northernscout54 Member
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#37 ·
The only thing the US government cares about is squeezing every last cent of sales tax out of this phone call. Seriously, when are these crooks going to stop playing games?
I went through that earthquake back in Italy last year, and let me tell you, it was a complete disaster. This situation in Haiti is on a whole different level. It's always the poor who get hit the hardest. I have to give credit to Obama for how decisive and quick he was with the response. As for those gangs, honestly, let the Marines take care of them once and for all. The point is, we shouldn't talk down on America like it's useless; they aren't nearly as bad as people like to claim.

Hang in there, Haiti. At the end of the day, nature is the one in charge, not us.
Jack Gomez19 Jack Gomez19 Member
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#38 ·
My conscience tells me I have to help, but I refuse to lose any sleep over where the money actually ends up since there's absolutely nothing I can do about that part.
Ryan Bishop2 Ryan Bishop2 Newcomer
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#39 ·
I just don't get one thing—America is in a total mess right now. Parts of the Midwest and down by the Mississippi are completely flooded, and people have been living out of boats for a month already. Then, the US Government sends millions to Haiti, but they can barely scrape together half a million for the flood victims here—and even then, they only did it because the media started calling them out on where the help went.

That pretty much says everything about how much we value our own people!!!

TOTAL DISGRACE!!!!!

Some people are posting stuff here like, "Yeah, just imagine what it's like for them in Haiti"... but I gotta ask—how would you feel if your house was totally underwater and you were stuck living in a boat, while your own Government is busy sending aid to Haiti?!?!?!?!?!?
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
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#40 ·
Ryan Bishop2 said:I just don't get one thing—America is in a total mess right now. Parts of the Midwest and down by the Mississippi are completely flooded, and people have been living out of boats for a month already. Then, the US Government sends millions to Haiti, but they can barely scrape together half a million for the flood victims here—and even then, they only did it because the media started calling them out on where the help went.

That pretty much says everything about how much we value our own people!!!

TOTAL DISGRACE!!!!!

Some people are posting stuff here like, "Yeah, just imagine what it's like for them in Haiti"... but I gotta ask—how would you feel if your house was totally underwater and you were stuck living in a boat, while your own Government is busy sending aid to Haiti?!?!?!?!?!?

You simply cannot compare America to Haiti—nor can you compare a catastrophic earthquake to a flood. America is an incredibly developed nation compared to Haiti. Even the loss of life isn't in the same league. How many people died in the floods here in the States? In the earthquake in Haiti, the estimate is currently 200,000 people. That is a two followed by five zeros.

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