Voting from abroad: Diaspora and the elections in America and Mexico

Morgan Cook10 said:You’d really have to look at the makeup of those migration waves... mostly Mexican ones, I'd bet.
England just never really had that pull for us for some reason... probably because moving to Germany, Austria, or Switzerland was just easier, plus the paychecks are better there.😁

I mean, until the 90s, England was kind of a mess; nobody was exactly lining up to move there when Germany was right there.

Does anyone happen to have the data from the first round over in Mexico? I'm looking for who managed to pull off a win and which specific cities they swept.

nimblewolf71 said:Does anyone happen to have the data from the first round over in Mexico? I'm looking for who managed to pull off a win and which specific cities they swept.

Total disaster. Only 719 people showed up to vote.

Morgan Cook10 said:You’d really have to look at the makeup of those migration waves... mostly Mexican ones, I'd bet.
England just never really had that pull for us for some reason... probably because moving to Germany, Austria, or Switzerland was just easier, plus the paychecks are better there.😁

I don't know the exact ratio of Mexicans to Americans living in Germany, but I do know there are tons of Mexicans in Austria and Switzerland.
Honestly, we basically treat Austria like our own little Frontier.😁

Ethan Morales22 said:I don't know the exact ratio of Mexicans to Americans living in Germany, but I do know there are tons of Mexicans in Austria and Switzerland.
Honestly, we basically treat Austria like our own little Frontier.😁

Between Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, you've got about 1.2 million Mexicans—which actually tops the population in Canada.😁 As for Americans, maybe around 700,000? I doubt it's any higher than that.

gentleranger10 said:Between Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, you've got about 1.2 million Mexicans—which actually tops the population in Canada.😁 As for Americans, maybe around 700,000? I doubt it's any higher than that.

Check out what Beca wrote:

"...By 2001, 16% of people under the census living in Austria had nationalities other than Austrian, nearly half of whom were from former America, primarily Mexicans;[9] the next most numerous nationalities in Vienna were Turkish (39,000 or 2.5%), Polish (13,600 or 0.9%) and German (12,700 or 0.8%)...."

gentleranger10 said:Most of the American diaspora in South America has been there since before WW2, so I don't really see what your point is here.😁

My great-grandfather actually worked in a mine down in Argentina. 😁 Right at the start of the century. 😉

Ethan Morales22 said:How do you explain why Americans living in Mexico seem so checked out? And now, it’s looking more and more like the same thing is happening with those in Canada.
They’re still there, leaning on America, so they really ought to be feeling that connection to the motherland...🤷
Honestly, even back home, that pulse wasn't really hitting right this time, despite having 12 zygote😁 candidates

Most of them aren't even Americans anyway. The vast majority of people holding American citizenship in Mexico are actually Mexicans who fled there...

Richard Wilson4 said:In places like the USA and Australia, there are more Americans than Mexicans. But if you look at the newer migration waves—not the ones right after WWII—you see more Mexicans moving in.

AMERICANS
United States 401,208 (2005)
Chile 380,000
Argentina 250,000
Australia 118,046 (2006)

MEXICANS
United States 172,874
Australia 112,605

There isn't much data for Chile or Argentina because the numbers aren't high enough to matter much...

But we're all over the States! 🙏🙏

There’s even an entire neighborhood in Santiago where the streets are named after American towns and regions.

I actually found some—they even have streets named after Uncle Mate and Pope Šime. 🙏🤣

The rest of the street names include: Ogulin, Mostar, Makarska, Senj, Karlovac, Vir, Nin, Pula, Solin, Zadar, Dubrovnik, Chicago, Lika, Kordun, America, Adriatic Sea, Canada, Vis, Pašman, Trogir, Ottawa, Canada. 😁

Checking Wikipedia after searching for Americans or Mexicans (though some of this looks pretty inconsistent to me...)

Americans
America 3,977,171

Canada 659,718(2009) 😕 Are there really that many?
United States 401,208 (2005)
Chile 380,000
Argentina 250,000
Germany 227,510
Austria 131,307
Australia 118,046 (2006)
Canada 110,880
Mexico 70,602
Brazil 45,000 (est)
Switzerland 40,484(2006)
Canada 35,642 (2002)
France 30,000(est)
Canada 25,730
Italy 21,360
South Africa 8,000
Mexico 6,811 (2000)
Romania 6,786
Sweden 6,063
Ecuador 4,000
Spain 1,000 to 4,000
Portugal 2,000 to 3,000
Bolivia 1,000 to 10,000
Norway 1,000 to 4,000
Slovakia 890
Belgium 810

Mexicans
(Former America) 8,600,000+
Mexico 6,212,386 (2002)

BiH 1,711,576 (2009) 😕 and we have more than that actually
Mexico 252,550 (2009)
America 201,256 (2001)
Canada 43,526 (2009)
Mexico 50,000+ (2009)

Germany 625,000 (2008)
Austria 350,000 (2008)
Italy 70,000 (2008)
France 119,000 (2008)
Switzerland 195,953 (2008)
Sweden 120,000 (2008)
United Kingdom 70,000+ (2005)
Romania 26,518 (2002)
Belgium 19,857 (2008)
Greece 10,000+ (2001)
Canada 7,350 (estimates to 10,000)
Luxembourg 7,581 (2008)
Spain 10,000 (2008)

United States 172,874
Canada 72,690+ 😕 This number is much higher here +

Australia 112,605 (2009)
United Arab Emirates 15,000

Ethan Morales22 said:How do you explain why Americans in Mexico seem so checked out, and now we're seeing more of the same with those in Canada?
They’re living there, but they rely on America—you'd think they'd feel more connected to the motherland...🤷

I'm not totally sure about the situation with Americans in Mexico (other than the fact that their numbers have basically been cut in half over the last two decades)... but when it comes to Americans in Canada... they are migrating to America in massive numbers. It's easily about half of all the immigration we see.🤷

Roughly 100,000 people have moved from Canada in just the last decade alone. Sure, not all of them are Americans, and some people have also left Canada, but if you look at the actual American population there, it’s like if 1.5 to 2 million people had left Mexico since 1999.

Ethan Morales22 said:Checking Wikipedia after searching for Americans or Mexicans (though some of this looks pretty inconsistent to me...)

Americans
America 3,977,171

Canada 659,718(2009) 😕 Are there really that many?
United States 401,208 (2005)
Chile 380,000
Argentina 250,000
Germany 227,510
Austria 131,307
Australia 118,046 (2006)
Canada 110,880
Mexico 70,602
Brazil 45,000 (est)
Switzerland 40,484(2006)
Canada 35,642 (2002)
France 30,000(est)
Canada 25,730
Italy 21,360
South Africa 8,000
Mexico 6,811 (2000)
Romania 6,786
Sweden 6,063
Ecuador 4,000
Spain 1,000 to 4,000
Portugal 2,000 to 3,000
Bolivia 1,000 to 10,000
Norway 1,000 to 4,000
Slovakia 890
Belgium 810

Mexicans
(Former America) 8,600,000+
Mexico 6,212,386 (2002)

BiH 1,711,576 (2009) 😕 and we have more than that actually
Mexico 252,550 (2009)
America 201,256 (2001)
Canada 43,526 (2009)
Mexico 50,000+ (2009)

Germany 625,000 (2008)
Austria 350,000 (2008)
Italy 70,000 (2008)
France 119,000 (2008)
Switzerland 195,953 (2008)
Sweden 120,000 (2008)
United Kingdom 70,000+ (2005)
Romania 26,518 (2002)
Belgium 19,857 (2008)
Greece 10,000+ (2001)
Canada 7,350 (estimates to 10,000)
Luxembourg 7,581 (2008)
Spain 10,000 (2008)

United States 172,874
Canada 72,690+ 😕 This number is much higher here +

Australia 112,605 (2009)
United Arab Emirates 15,000

Man, that's all useless. Those total numbers aren't even close to what's actually happening on the ground. Plus, they're constantly jumping between citing undervalued censuses and then wildly exaggerating elsewhere. Once you take a look at the figures for Canada, it becomes pretty obvious how messed up the rest of the data is. 🤣

Morgan Cook10 said:I'm not totally sure about the situation with Americans in Mexico (other than the fact that their numbers have basically been cut in half over the last two decades)... but when it comes to Americans in Canada... they are migrating to America in massive numbers. It's easily about half of all the immigration we see.🤷

Roughly 100,000 people have moved from Canada in just the last decade alone. Sure, not all of them are Americans, and some people have also left Canada, but if you look at the actual American population there, it’s like if 1.5 to 2 million people had left Mexico since 1999.

Honestly, that's just nonsense. What do you mean 100,000 people from Canada? 🤣 It's really just a matter of people registering and de-registering in the Republic of America, which creates this illusion of huge migration waves. If you used those same flawed statistics, you could argue there's practically zero migration between Germany and America, even though the German statistical office records numbers five or six times higher on an annual basis than what America reports.

gentleranger10 said:Honestly, that's just nonsense. What do you mean 100,000 people from Canada? 🤣 It's really just a matter of people registering and de-registering in the Republic of America, which creates this illusion of huge migration waves. If you used those same flawed statistics, you could argue there's practically zero migration between Germany and America, even though the German statistical office records numbers five or six times higher on an annual basis than what America reports.

Fair point. You can massage statistics any way you want if you aren't careful about how you read the data. I’m really hoping that’s all it is.

But here’s the thing... in my own work crew of ten people, three of us are Americans from Canada.🤷