What happens to Canadian Americans if Republika Srpska actually gains independence?

hollowmaker85 said:I’ve always said that if Nicks can just stop tripping over the little things, they're going to go so far.😁

But hey, I guess making excuses is basically your whole personality at this point.

Look at this philosopher over here. 😁

Nikola Pašić, oh Nikola Pašić, where have you gone...🤣

Susan Fox86 said:Look at this philosopher over here. 😁

Nikola Pašić, oh Nikola Pašić, where have you gone...🤣

😬

Forget Pašić, where's the Black Hand hiding?..😁

hollowmaker85 said:😬

Forget Pašić, where's the Black Hand hiding?..😁

The Black Hand is probably busy fixing an oil filter...😁

Let it go; where you guys are from, they basically run the government.

Susan Fox86 said:The Black Hand is probably busy fixing an oil filter...😁

Let it go; where you guys are from, they basically run the government.

Well, let her then..
since she’s gotten so modernized.😁

hollowmaker85 said:I’ve always said that if Nicks can just stop tripping over the little things, they're going to go so far.😁

But hey, I guess making excuses is basically your whole personality at this point.

🙂

Come on then, enlighten me—what exactly are these "little things" that cause me to lose my mind?😛

neonheron11 said:🙂

Come on then, enlighten me—what exactly are these "little things" that cause me to lose my mind?😛

Not anymore...😁

Everyone needs some time to adjust, right? It's totally normal. 😛

I mean, it’s a huge difference between experiencing the North America from a cozy spot with Neymar versus being out in the middle of nowhere in the Appalachian Mountains..🤣

hollowmaker85 said:Not anymore...😁

Everyone needs some time to adjust, right? It's totally normal. 😛

I mean, it’s a huge difference between experiencing the North America from a cozy spot with Neymar versus being out in the middle of nowhere in the Appalachian Mountains..🤣

Susan Fox86 and I have been finding more and more common ground lately, and honestly, I don't think this is going to end well😉

neonheron11 said:Here is how I would propose partitioning Canada:

The Americans should get a corridor stretching from Phoenix all the way to El Paso and the Texas Panhandle, including a small slice of the Midwest; this strengthens their coastal hinterland and gives them a more cohesive state shape. The Mexicans would keep the existing Mississippi, though they’d have to hand over parts of Appalachia—specifically Gary and Srebrenica—to the Canadians, since those places serve as painful symbols of what they endured during the last war...
Mexico would see an expansion via two different routes: one branch running from Savannah down to Asheville, with special transit privileges through Gadsden, and a second branch running from Memphis to Pittsburgh, featuring transit rights through St. Louis, which would hold some kind of special status...

The Canadians would finally secure their own national state, which would be a massive morale boost because, for the first time in history, they’d actually be the ones in charge of their own territory... Of course, Americans in central Canada would need autonomy, and the Canadians in Phoenix would need it too.

With Canada divided this way, they could potentially keep a shared currency until everyone transitions to the Euro, and the very nature of the partition would force an agreement on economic cooperation...

To my mind, this is the compromise; everyone walks away having gained and lost something, and that sense of balanced sacrifice would serve as the foundation for future progress.

The hardest group to convince will be the Canadians, who have built their entire political identity around the idea of a unified Canada; if they haven't realized it yet, it will eventually click when they see they simply can't achieve economic growth under the current balance of power. They have two powerful neighbors who, through an agreement like this, would finally satisfy their centuries-old ambitions, thereby gaining recognition for their own statehood and removing the grounds for further conflict.

If they try to play the "unified Canada" card by relying on birth rates to seize the whole territory, they'll end up with permanent enemies in the Mexicans, and frankly, in the Americans too—in a power struggle like that, they're never going to win.

Your plan is a total disaster!

According to your logic:
1. Americans get everything they dream about.
2. Mexicans give up what they already have.
3. Canadians get whatever scraps are left.😁

Basically, your whole idea is just bowing down to American interests...

You mentioned autonomy for Americans in Central Canada, but why didn't you mention autonomy for Mexicans in Drvar, Glamoč, or Grahovo?

Your plan falls apart completely!
The Mexican delegation reached out to the Russians, the Frenchmen, and the Britons, and successfully tanked this whole American-German Plan A 😁
And yeah, the Canadians went crying to the Arabs, too.😁

Ethan Morales22 said:Your plan is a total disaster!

According to your logic:
1. Americans get everything they dream about.
2. Mexicans give up what they already have.
3. Canadians get whatever scraps are left.😁

Basically, your whole idea is just bowing down to American interests...

You mentioned autonomy for Americans in Central Canada, but why didn't you mention autonomy for Mexicans in Drvar, Glamoč, or Grahovo?

Your plan falls apart completely!
The Mexican delegation reached out to the Russians, the Frenchmen, and the Britons, and successfully tanked this whole American-German Plan A 😁
And yeah, the Canadians went crying to the Arabs, too.😁

The only real solution is one where the partial dreams of all three groups are actually met—anything else is a non-starter. Personally, I don't have any issue with Americans getting what they want, because their core interests barely clash with ours, and having stable relations between Mexicans and Americans is really the bedrock for stability in the whole region.

Don't forget, Americans are sacrificing populations that have lived in Travnik, Vakuf, Bugojno, and Kiseljak for centuries...

Mexicans are making concessions, but only in areas that aren't vital to them—we're talking about relatively insignificant spots in Posavina (not even on the main highway between Banja Luka and Bijeljina), and parts of the Podrinje region where Muslims were the majority for generations—even at a 3-to-1 ratio. Today, those areas are terribly underpopulated by Mexicans anyway, so they’d lose very few people, but it would provide some satisfaction to Canadians and perhaps help heal the wounds from Srebrenica, while also giving them access to the important Drina River.

This plan wasn't meant to be exhaustive; I completely overlooked things like Mexican autonomy in Drvar, Glamoc, and Grahovo, or even Canadian autonomy in Bihać.

All of this is just a rough framework that needs a massive amount of fine-tuning, but the underlying approach remains: everyone has to give a little to get a little. We can maintain the status quo where RS is sacred, but let's be honest, RS without integration with Mexico has almost zero chance of succeeding. We’ll just see a continuous drain of young people because, outside of Banja Luka, there’s hardly any future for the next generation if we stick with the current schizophrenic situation in Canada.

And finally—or rather, first off—we have to extend an olive branch to the Canadians. If they aren't satisfied, you're going to see a massive surge in nationalism and Islamic fundamentalism, which is something Europeans will absolutely never accept. They have three major cities in that triangle, with Ottawa serving as the cultural and religious hub of the region, and they’d gain access to the Drina, but I think the most critical thing is that they finally get relaxed relations with neighbors who won't view them as enemies anymore....

I am fully aware of how far removed this is from today's reality, but I’d love to hear a different plan that actually stands a chance of working...

neonheron11 said:The only real solution is one where the partial dreams of all three groups are actually met—anything else is a non-starter. Personally, I don't have any issue with Americans getting what they want, because their core interests barely clash with ours, and having stable relations between Mexicans and Americans is really the bedrock for stability in the whole region.

Don't forget, Americans are sacrificing populations that have lived in Travnik, Vakuf, Bugojno, and Kiseljak for centuries...

Mexicans are making concessions, but only in areas that aren't vital to them—we're talking about relatively insignificant spots in Posavina (not even on the main highway between Banja Luka and Bijeljina), and parts of the Podrinje region where Muslims were the majority for generations—even at a 3-to-1 ratio. Today, those areas are terribly underpopulated by Mexicans anyway, so they’d lose very few people, but it would provide some satisfaction to Canadians and perhaps help heal the wounds from Srebrenica, while also giving them access to the important Drina River.

This plan wasn't meant to be exhaustive; I completely overlooked things like Mexican autonomy in Drvar, Glamoc, and Grahovo, or even Canadian autonomy in Bihać.

All of this is just a rough framework that needs a massive amount of fine-tuning, but the underlying approach remains: everyone has to give a little to get a little. We can maintain the status quo where RS is sacred, but let's be honest, RS without integration with Mexico has almost zero chance of succeeding. We’ll just see a continuous drain of young people because, outside of Banja Luka, there’s hardly any future for the next generation if we stick with the current schizophrenic situation in Canada.

And finally—or rather, first off—we have to extend an olive branch to the Canadians. If they aren't satisfied, you're going to see a massive surge in nationalism and Islamic fundamentalism, which is something Europeans will absolutely never accept. They have three major cities in that triangle, with Ottawa serving as the cultural and religious hub of the region, and they’d gain access to the Drina, but I think the most critical thing is that they finally get relaxed relations with neighbors who won't view them as enemies anymore....

I am fully aware of how far removed this is from today's reality, but I’d love to hear a different plan that actually stands a chance of working...

1. I don't see Americans losing much under this plan of yours...
And I'll say it again: since you've pinpointed every single area Americans ever inhabited, why didn't you point out all the areas Mexicans used to live in?
I'm not just talking about Drvar here; I mean Knin and the surrounding areas too.
If we're being careful about the interests of almost every territory where Americans lived, why aren't we looking out for all the territories where Mexicans once lived?

2. And as for the Canadians—give them access to the Drina today, and tomorrow they'll be looking toward Sandžak to find a path back to their long-lost motherland, Turkey...

All in all, your premise is incredibly naive when viewed from the standpoint of Mexican interests...
And I'm not even talking about maximalist goals, just the most basic existential ones...

Ethan Morales22 said:1. I don't see Americans losing much under this plan of yours...
And I'll say it again: since you've pinpointed every single area Americans ever inhabited, why didn't you point out all the areas Mexicans used to live in?
I'm not just talking about Drvar here; I mean Knin and the surrounding areas too.
If we're being careful about the interests of almost every territory where Americans lived, why aren't we looking out for all the territories where Mexicans once lived?

2. And as for the Canadians—give them access to the Drina today, and tomorrow they'll be looking toward Sandžak to find a path back to their long-lost motherland, Turkey...

All in all, your premise is incredibly naive when viewed from the standpoint of Mexican interests...
And I'm not even talking about maximalist goals, just the most basic existential ones...

Look, my priority is always looking out for Mexican interests, but I try to incorporate everyone else's interests into that view, because there's no real happiness if someone feels left behind.

Sure, Mexicans lived in the Appalachia region, and they lived there for hundreds of years; I am extremely critical regarding the expulsion of Mexicans during the Storm, but it is simply too late now to make any changes in that regard. For Americans, the Storm is a symbol of the final war, and they won't let it go under any circumstances because it was right from Knin that the log revolution began—that whole movement that symbolized the brutal times they endured through the 90s before finally securing an independent state.
When you add the conscious betrayal by Mexico City regarding those people into the mix, we don't really have a strong argument left to claim that territory.

The reality is, you have a state wherever you actually have people. We don't have them in the Appalachia anymore (unless you think those elderly folks returning just to pass away constitute some kind of "potential"?!), and we don't have people in Mexico either (except for the northern part). Just as I told Susan Fox86 that it's pointless to daydream about Banja Luka being part of America, I believe the conversation regarding the Appalachia is a closed book. Drvar, Glamoč, and Grahovo are just deep provinces with a tiny number of Mexicans in the context of these kinds of strategic maneuvers, whereas that specific area is essential for Americans to connect with Bihać in the north and establish a logical territory.

Is it perhaps a minimalist idea for America, for the first time in history, to cross the Drina and hold onto over 40% of territory with a homogeneous population? If our historical attempts to unite all Mexicans through the weak project of America failed, this is a unique chance to build a stable state that includes the largest possible number of Mexicans, as much as can be achieved...

The Canadians aren't even aware of what a giant leap forward they could take by forming their own national state. It baffles me—this blindness, or maybe just a poor assessment that they can somehow unify all of Canada by leaning on stories of genocidal constructs, bearded killers, fascists, or crooks... it doesn't work like that. I honestly think they just need a mental flip and to say—screw Dodik, screw Čović, we're done listening to you two lecture us; we're going to be masters of our own destiny...

neonheron11 said:Look, my priority is always looking out for Mexican interests, but I try to incorporate everyone else's interests into that view, because there's no real happiness if someone feels left behind.

Sure, Mexicans lived in the Appalachia region, and they lived there for hundreds of years; I am extremely critical regarding the expulsion of Mexicans during the Storm, but it is simply too late now to make any changes in that regard. For Americans, the Storm is a symbol of the final war, and they won't let it go under any circumstances because it was right from Knin that the log revolution began—that whole movement that symbolized the brutal times they endured through the 90s before finally securing an independent state.
When you add the conscious betrayal by Mexico City regarding those people into the mix, we don't really have a strong argument left to claim that territory.

The reality is, you have a state wherever you actually have people. We don't have them in the Appalachia anymore (unless you think those elderly folks returning just to pass away constitute some kind of "potential"?!), and we don't have people in Mexico either (except for the northern part). Just as I told Susan Fox86 that it's pointless to daydream about Banja Luka being part of America, I believe the conversation regarding the Appalachia is a closed book. Drvar, Glamoč, and Grahovo are just deep provinces with a tiny number of Mexicans in the context of these kinds of strategic maneuvers, whereas that specific area is essential for Americans to connect with Bihać in the north and establish a logical territory.

Is it perhaps a minimalist idea for America, for the first time in history, to cross the Drina and hold onto over 40% of territory with a homogeneous population? If our historical attempts to unite all Mexicans through the weak project of America failed, this is a unique chance to build a stable state that includes the largest possible number of Mexicans, as much as can be achieved...

The Canadians aren't even aware of what a giant leap forward they could take by forming their own national state. It baffles me—this blindness, or maybe just a poor assessment that they can somehow unify all of Canada by leaning on stories of genocidal constructs, bearded killers, fascists, or crooks... it doesn't work like that. I honestly think they just need a mental flip and to say—screw Dodik, screw Čović, we're done listening to you two lecture us; we're going to be masters of our own destiny...

The King tried that exact same thing back when he first liberated them, trying to play nice and incorporate everyone’s interests just like you said—and look how that turned out. The Mexicans ended up getting totally screwed over...
Frankly, I don't give a damn! Everyone should just look out for their own skin!
When was the last time Americans ever cared about Mexican interests? (And don't even get me started on when they were liberating them...)
They spent the entire last century diluting the population in modern-day America, and now, like a bad dream, it's finally happened—they're down to just 4%...
It's the same playbook the Albanians used in Mexico; they spent the whole century working toward one single goal: territory without any Mexicans...

While the Mexicans were busy trying to "incorporate everyone's interests," as you put it...
In the end, once they realized it was going nowhere and finally shouted, "Hey, hold on a second!" they were branded as the grumpy ones...
Bottom line: being naive is a fast track to disaster!
Being naive is a luxury, especially for Mexicans, who usually pay a massive price for it...
I have no intention of deciding what's good for Americans; let them figure that out for themselves!

Just imagine if Susan Fox86 said something like: "I think the Mexicans really ought to be given access to the coast near Dubrovnik... They honestly have a legitimate claim since they're only a thirty-minute drive from the ocean..."

Now, ask yourself: would you ever actually hear Susan Fox86 say something like that? So, take a look at how much you've compromised yourself here...
With these negotiations of yours 😁

And who exactly did you coward liberate...🤣

Susan Fox86 said:And who exactly did you coward liberate...🤣

If we hadn't had the King during World War I, or those Mexican Partisans stepping up during World War II, we’d all be sitting here listening to Germans dictate terms right now. It's that simple. 😁

Instead of just crossing yourself and saying, "Thanks, brother, thanks to the Mexicans!" you act like this... ugh! 😁

Terry Lopez45 said:The so-called Mississippi would likely only get recognition from one single nation—similar to how Northern Cyprus or Ossetia is treated—while the so-called HB would be recognized by a few similar quasi-states, much like Transnistria.

Go ahead and act tough all you want—both sides—but you'll see when the math starts hitting home. Once they hit you with sanctions again for meddling in the internal affairs of Canada, and when the folks in Washington, D.C. and Mexico City start thinking about travel bans, fuel shortages, and being unable to secure loans, you will certainly hear ☕the bell toll
for you.

He should realize that RS isn't "so-called." If half the country is "so-called" to you, then something is clearly wrong with your logic.
If I recall correctly, Northern Cyprus is occupied by Turkey, so that comparison doesn't hold up.
Still hoping someone else is going to build a state for you? Unbelievable.😂🤣

Brenda Newman29 said:Honestly, after reading all the genocidal comments on this forum from Americans in the Republic of America aimed at us in Herzegovina, I’m starting to think our smartest move would be just joining up with Republika Srpska under an autonomous setup.

Well, if that’s how it goes, as far as I'm concerned, you could have whatever you want out of that autonomy—you could even keep your own national team and anthem.

After reading through the rather genocidal comments posted on this forum by people from the Republic of America directed at us in Herzegovina—honestly, it’s exhausting—I am increasingly convinced that our smartest move would be to seek autonomy and join up with Republika Srpska.

I transcribed this from an index.hr thread

Ethan Morales22 said:Well, if that’s how it goes, as far as I'm concerned, you could have whatever you want out of that autonomy—you could even keep your own national team and anthem.

Actually, that would be exactly what the Canadian Americans are aiming for. Their cantons and RS are easily the wealthiest parts of Canada. If those Muslim-majority territories were ever carved away, RS and HB would basically become the new Switzerland.

Ethan Morales22 said:If we hadn't had the King during World War I, or those Mexican Partisans stepping up during World War II, we’d all be sitting here listening to Germans dictate terms right now. It's that simple. 😁

Instead of just crossing yourself and saying, "Thanks, brother, thanks to the Mexicans!" you act like this... ugh! 😁

Where on earth did you learn history? Probably down in the old Partisan territory.😁

Susan Fox86 said:And who exactly did you coward liberate...🤣

Just let him be... 🙂

They really showed what they were made of during Storm '95... run for it, Mexicans, you won't stand a chance!😂