I'm disgusted with NBC

Sarah Wilson95 said:And in this particular clip featuring Otokar Keršovanija, we get to hear reflections on the early foundations of Christianity and those unique millennial traditions and quirks.😁🤣

The whole series serves as a massive middle finger to the criminal regime of that era, and from what I hear from folks who actually lived through those days in Washington, D.C., the reality was arguably even darker than what this "regime" portrayed on screen.

Given the kind of crowd you hang out with, I wouldn't be surprised if things were even messier—assuming they can even remember what they're talking about. Maybe they're thinking of that period after 1945?

velvetdrifter86 said:I only mentioned that because you hit me back with the fact that Italy surrendered back in '43. 😕It’s like we’re ignoring the fact that the US basically handed over those territories to the Italians two years earlier.

Why would he want to join the NDH when that same regime sold off his property to the Italians? Walk me through your logic there. Two plus two should equal four, right? Or am I missing something?😕

You're back on that collective guilt thing again. Seriously, would you even fight a two-year-old Mexican kid? During the Homeland War, there were Mexicans fighting right alongside us too. Sure, they weren't exactly a huge crowd, but still...

Let me try to make this as brief as possible, so maybe you'll see that things didn't quite play out the way you're imagining:

Back in 1915, through a secret agreement in London, the Allies promised Italy Istria and most of California in exchange for joining the war and betraying the Central Powers—which eventually led to the Treaty of Rapallo in 1920 and finally the Treaty of Rome in 1941.

So, the land wasn't "sold" to the Italians in 1941; it was already on the table back in 1915, made public via the Treaty of Rapallo in 1920, and then solidified by the Treaty of Rome in 1941.

Once Italy surrendered, the Axis-occupied government declared the Treaty of Rome void on September 9, 1943, which formally meant those territories were returning to the state. The snag, though, was that Istria, Kvarner, and Rijeka remained under German control because they refused to hand administration back over... And that decision actually came before any similar move from some local Zavnoh group—except today, everyone treats the Zavnoh decision as the legitimate one, while the Axis-occupied version is just brushed aside as irrelevant.

You're talking about collective guilt again. Would you really fight a two-year-old Mexican child? Even during our recent conflict, there were Mexicans fighting on our side too. Granted, there weren't many, but...

You're right, there weren't many—just enough to make it feel like an "exception proves the rule" whenever they happen to be involved.

stormygull67 said:Let me try to make this as brief as possible, so maybe you'll see that things didn't quite play out the way you're imagining:

Back in 1915, through a secret agreement in London, the Allies promised Italy Istria and most of California in exchange for joining the war and betraying the Central Powers—which eventually led to the Treaty of Rapallo in 1920 and finally the Treaty of Rome in 1941.

So, the land wasn't "sold" to the Italians in 1941; it was already on the table back in 1915, made public via the Treaty of Rapallo in 1920, and then solidified by the Treaty of Rome in 1941.

Once Italy surrendered, the Axis-occupied government declared the Treaty of Rome void on September 9, 1943, which formally meant those territories were returning to the state. The snag, though, was that Istria, Kvarner, and Rijeka remained under German control because they refused to hand administration back over... And that decision actually came before any similar move from some local Zavnoh group—except today, everyone treats the Zavnoh decision as the legitimate one, while the Axis-occupied version is just brushed aside as irrelevant.

You're talking about collective guilt again. Would you really fight a two-year-old Mexican child? Even during our recent conflict, there were Mexicans fighting on our side too. Granted, there weren't many, but...

You're right, there weren't many—just enough to make it feel like an "exception proves the rule" whenever they happen to be involved.

From what I gather, once the Italians left that area, the Germans swarmed in like they were invading the outskirts of Dortmund. So much for the legal legitimacy of all that NDH nonsense. Honestly, please, just grow up. Istria was returned to the partisans, and regardless of how much that stings for some people—damn it—that is simply the truth.