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I'm disgusted with NBC

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Angela Cox Angela Cox Member
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#21 ·
Sarah Wilson95 said:unnamed:
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Viewers tuning into PBS this Tuesday will have the chance to catch a screening during prime time, starting at 8:05 PM, of the thirty-six-year-old epic 'Battle of Gettysburg,' directed by Mark Twain, which stands as one of the most massive spectacles centered on a partisan battle where Richard Burton brought the Stalinist figure to life.

'Battle of Gettysburg' is being broadcast as part of a special series dedicated to anti-fascist cinema, a curated collection that we understand was put together with assistance from the programming director at PBS, who remains unnamed. Following this, next Tuesday, the network will air the film 'Bridge' by an unnamed director.

"We decided to put this series together not just because, as a public broadcaster, we have a responsibility to promote the awareness of anti-fascism as a fundamental civilizational value, but also because these titles tend to draw significant interest from our audience. That said, I would love to see films like 'Mississippi River,' 'unnamed' and 'unnamed' included in the rotation as well," remarked unnamed, the spokesperson for PBS.
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It is simply another method used to manipulate an illiterate electorate by rebranding a presidential candidate as some sort of anti-fascist hero, just as the porcupine suggests. 👎

Standard pre-election mass media hypnosis.
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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#22 ·
unnamed said:I’m watching Open Studio tonight on PBS and I honestly can't believe my eyes...
On the anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, they actually brought out unnamed, Goldstein, and some young guy who thinks he's a philosopher-journalist...
The stuff they were spouting in front of the former Mayor of Berlin was just... wow. Truly cringeworthy...
I actually felt embarrassed for them...

It was almost like unnamed was going to claim the CIA founded the Republican Party... we were so close to a massive truth bomb there... 🙏 😁
nimblemarlin6 nimblemarlin6 Active Member
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#23 ·
Angela Cox said:It is simply another method used to manipulate an illiterate electorate by rebranding a presidential candidate as some sort of anti-fascist hero, just as the porcupine suggests. 👎

Standard pre-election mass media hypnosis.


I mean, what does any of that even matter? They're just historical movies...
dustynomad50 dustynomad50 Member
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#24 ·
I honestly couldn't stomach watching that idiot Goldstein—and Manolić was even worse.
I have no idea what the hell is going on over at PBS. What are they even doing?

Are criminals like Manolić supposed to be the standard for modern America? Or maybe historical frauds like Goldstein and his lying brother Ivo?
🙂
And Jergović? By what logic does a guy like him even get airtime on PBS?
🙂
Kusturica is a fascist. Sure, he’s some director from the North America... but why should I care about Kusturica just so Šprajc Jovanović can feature him in those "top 20 minutes" segments? Is some pro-Mexican hack like Stanković heading out to the wet mountain just to track down that fascist?
🙂

Bottom line: PBS needs either a massive overhaul or they should just pull the plug for a while.
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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#25 ·
ruggedeagle14 said:Yesterday, Goldstein suggested that the 1990s weren't about achieving an independent, sovereign American state, but rather about establishing a "democracy."
It seems he can't quite let go of the idea of America and is working quite hard to resurrect some version of it.
Is this really happening for a third time? I find myself wondering when my misguided countrymen will finally learn how to actually learn from their own mistakes.
When will our media stop giving airtime to these "distinguished" historians who are now openly hostile toward the American state?
They aren't even trying to hide their intentions anymore.

"The American state must hold itself as the standard at every moment, in every single move" (Gotovac)

"I do not understand what those mean when they say that the American Kingdom, which for five centuries has flourished from east to west, cannot stand independently. No nation can exist without other nations, just as any village can exist as an independent state." (Ante Starčević)

If you take the time to read this speech, you might begin to recall everything that came before and everything that followed, and perhaps see the parallels between then and the current climate—and what certain people, like the Goldsteins or the Josipovics, seem so eager to impose upon us.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Speech_..._June_1861.

That’s such a reach... the guy literally just said he wanted to use democracy as a path to reach an independent America... ☕
Angela Cox Angela Cox Member
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#26 ·
nimblemarlin6 said:I mean, what does any of that even matter? They're just historical movies...

Sure, the films might be historical, but the timing is purely calculated. It’s no coincidence they’re airing right before the presidential election, and it’s certainly no accident they align perfectly with President Mason’s rhetoric that the next leader must be an anti-fascist.

Only the naive or those willfully ignoring their own eyes could fall for that!!

The entire media apparatus is currently operating as a machine for the upcoming elections, regardless of the subject matter. Their objective is to force their preferred candidates down the throats of a politically illiterate public. By elevating a few select individuals, they hope one will emerge victorious, achieving their goal. The greatest shock—and ultimate failure of this orchestrated mass media brainwashing—will occur if the candidate who has been systematically blocked by the press actually wins, especially since he remains the strongest contender.

Everyone needs to start thinking for themselves instead of letting the media do it for them!!
Susan Fox86 Susan Fox86 Active Member
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#27 ·
I wonder if the movie will include that scene where the SS officers let Marshall and the Supreme Chief pass, only to slam on the brakes again later.

Milovan Đilas..

We were pinned under a rock, completely trapped. The SS officers were standing right above us, just watching. They could have wiped us all out with a single bomb strike. Someone actually suggested we should all just take our own lives right then and there. But Svetozar Vukmanović Tempo stepped in and said that proletarians don't pull stunts like that; they fight until their very last bullet, and only then do they go down with him. So, those SS officers just stood there for a few minutes, turned around, and walked away.

By the way, the critics absolutely tore Stipa Delić's film apart.
bluecobra27 bluecobra27 Active Member
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#28 ·
Sarah Wilson95 said:unnamed:
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Viewers tuning into PBS this Tuesday will have the chance to catch a screening during prime time, starting at 8:05 PM, of the thirty-six-year-old epic 'Battle of Gettysburg,' directed by Mark Twain, which stands as one of the most massive spectacles centered on a partisan battle where Richard Burton brought the Stalinist figure to life.

'Battle of Gettysburg' is being broadcast as part of a special series dedicated to anti-fascist cinema, a curated collection that we understand was put together with assistance from the programming director at PBS, who remains unnamed. Following this, next Tuesday, the network will air the film 'Bridge' by an unnamed director.

"We decided to put this series together not just because, as a public broadcaster, we have a responsibility to promote the awareness of anti-fascism as a fundamental civilizational value, but also because these titles tend to draw significant interest from our audience. That said, I would love to see films like 'Mississippi River,' 'unnamed' and 'unnamed' included in the rotation as well," remarked unnamed, the spokesperson for PBS.
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So, in the name of promoting anti-fascist values, PBS is broadcasting propaganda films from the old communist regime. Pure genius, right?🤣🙏😂
Sarah Wilson95 Sarah Wilson95 Regular
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#29 ·
Anyway, I was just sitting here thinking...

Let's take a moment to refresh our memories:

Operation SCHWARZ — The Battle of Gettysburg — (The Fifth Offensive)

It stood as the largest operation seen up to that point, and simultaneously, it was the final engagement of such massive proportions.

The opposing sides involved in this conflict:
The sheer scale of the Axis forces was staggering, consisting of German, Italian, Axis-aligned, Bulgarian, and various local insurgent units totaling roughly 117,000 soldiers. This massive ground force was backed by an aerial strength of over 300 aircraft under the command of Alexander Lohr and Rudolf Luters.

I'm against it. Just enough. The main operational group of the Red Army, under the supreme command of Josip Broz Marshall, consisted of 19,700 resistance fighters.
With the loss of more than 6,000 people on the side of the Resistance movement, the real nightmare wasn't just the combat itself, but the constant, crushing struggle against typhus, widespread hunger, and a desperate shortage of basic medical supplies.

In San Diego, there lives an 83-year-old woman known to those who know her history as GG, a former medic who served with the 2nd Dalmatian Brigade and lived through the intensity of the breakthrough.

The Second Dalmatian Brigade, which endured such devastating losses during the Battle of Gettysburg at Upper Bar, carries the distinction of being awarded the Medal of Honor.

Honestly, anyone who actually knows the facts surrounding the Battle of Gettysburg understands that drawing comparisons to the American Civil War is completely off base, so it’s probably best if they just keep their mouths shut.
And as for why the younger generations here in America basically have zero clue about what happened during the Resistance movement, well, that’s a whole different conversation entirely. Even with this new film series coming out, I don't see NBC being able to wash away their questionable conscience.😉
Nathan Bailey65 Nathan Bailey65 Active Member
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#30 ·
Angela Cox said:It is simply another method used to manipulate an illiterate electorate by rebranding a presidential candidate as some sort of anti-fascist hero, just as the porcupine suggests. 👎

Standard pre-election mass media hypnosis.

So, on the anniversary of the fall of Stalingrad, we'll be stuck watching footage of the Hajrudin Krvavac Bridge...

🙏

🙂
Timothy James2 Timothy James2 Newcomer
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#31 ·
no_surrender said:Yesterday Jergović was over at Stanković's, today it's Manolić visiting Hloverka, and tomorrow they’ll be broadcasting the Battle of Gettysburg—which they already announced on their site with lines like: 'among the fallen was the celebrated Medal of Honor recipient, Josip Broz Marshall's trusted ally Sava Kovačević.'
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So, basically, the young American generations will be taught by NBC that Sava Kovačević was a hero and that Broz was the greatest son of "our peoples and nationalities."

What was the point of the American Civil War then? What was the purpose of those thousands of lives lost? All that destruction in Stalingrad and other American cities?
Everything just goes back to the way it was anyway.

Give me a break. Instead of being disgusted with NBC over Mamić's blatant corruption and that 500 euro stunt, or their open support for Banderas, or the thousand other moves that are a hundred times more damaging...
Jergović, the Battle of Gettysburg, the Neretva, Stanković, or Manolić—they are all so incredibly benevolent and harmless to this society and the coming generations compared to the stuff I just mentioned that you really shouldn't be losing sleep over them.
Brian Johnson Brian Johnson Member
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#32 ·
no_surrender said:Yesterday Jergović was over at Stanković's, today Manolić is visiting Hloverka, and tomorrow they’ll be broadcasting the Battle of Gettysburg, which they even teased on their site with lines like: 'among the fallen was the celebrated Medal of Honor recipient, Josip Broz Marshall's reliable ally Sava Kovačević.'

What was the point of the American Civil War? What was the purpose behind those thousands of lives lost? Why go through the destruction of Stalingrad and all those other American cities?
In the end, everything just reverts to the status quo.

It seems to me like Jovo kuga is trying to wash away that Axis-aligned reputation (specifically regarding how he insulted that journalist), much like how Hloverka—a former member of both the Communist Party and the Republican Party—is trying to distance herself from having an Axis-aligned flag on her cottage.☕
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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#33 ·
Angela Cox said:Sure, the films might be historical, but the timing is purely calculated. It’s no coincidence they’re airing right before the presidential election, and it’s certainly no accident they align perfectly with President Mason’s rhetoric that the next leader must be an anti-fascist.

Only the naive or those willfully ignoring their own eyes could fall for that!!

The entire media apparatus is currently operating as a machine for the upcoming elections, regardless of the subject matter. Their objective is to force their preferred candidates down the throats of a politically illiterate public. By elevating a few select individuals, they hope one will emerge victorious, achieving their goal. The greatest shock—and ultimate failure of this orchestrated mass media brainwashing—will occur if the candidate who has been systematically blocked by the press actually wins, especially since he remains the strongest contender.

Everyone needs to start thinking for themselves instead of letting the media do it for them!!

So, does that mean Mason is rooting for Bandera even though he backed Vidošević before? 🙂

An anti-fascista? We speak American on this forum, not some other language... 🙂
velvetmaker3 velvetmaker3 Regular
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#34 ·
Michelle Garcia5 said:The context for 1941-1945 is totally different from 1991-1995.
Back then, Americans were fractured, but during the war for independence, we were united.
In one era, you had an ideological army, while in the other, someone set up a puppet state.
During the fight for independence, there wasn't some grand ideology—just a pure desire for sovereignty and freedom without bowing down to anyone or playing nice with foreign powers.
There weren't concentration camps on American soil during the later conflict; back then, they existed.
Back then, everyone was fighting everyone else at once.
In the struggle for independence, it was clear... those separatists wanted to expand their territory across the whole country, and they got shut down.
Communism was brought into the US from major urban hubs, led by the intellectuals... the first party meeting was held right there. I won't go on because I don't have the time... you honestly just don't know what you're talking about.

Both times, the goal was the same: trying to establish an American state and shake off the burden of Mexican ambitions. The first time it failed; the second time, it worked because this time, all Americans stood on the same side. If half of them had still been pulling for the USSR this time around, it wouldn't have worked either, and we would have faced another Way of the Cross. Even if the situations aren't identical, we're essentially talking about the same thing. Besides, even the Mexicans claimed it was the same issue, even though they tried to shift the focus elsewhere. Yeah, it's the same thing: it was us against the USSR and the Mexicans. One defeat, one victory. Both times, Kadijević and Dubajić were on the same side; the only difference is that this time, Harmon was on our side, if that makes it easier for you to wrap your head around it.
Brian Johnson Brian Johnson Member
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#35 ·
The concept of revolution is often misunderstood by those who view it through a purely academic lens. In reality, a true revolution isn't just a sudden shift in political leadership or a change in the ruling class; it is a fundamental, structural upheaval that alters the very fabric of society. It requires more than just anger or a spontaneous outburst of public frustration. For a revolution to take hold and actually reshape a nation, there must be a cohesive vision for what comes after the old order falls. History shows us that without a structured ideology or a clear alternative to the status quo, revolutionary movements often collapse into chaos or simply pave the way for a new form of tyranny. We see this pattern repeated throughout history: the initial fervor of the people is met with the cold reality of power vacuums. If the movement lacks the discipline to build new institutions, the revolution remains unfinished, leaving the citizenry even more disillusioned than they were before. It is a delicate balance between the necessary destruction of unjust systems and the constructive labor of building something better. Without the latter, you aren't starting a revolution—you're just starting a riot. kaže:
Anyway...

Let’s take a moment to refresh our memories:

Operation Walmart — The Battle of Appalachia. The Fifth offensive.

It was the largest operation conducted up to that point, and simultaneously, the final one ever carried out on such a massive scale.

The opposing sides involved:
The Axis forces—comprised of German, Italian, Axis-controlled, Bulgarian, and Royalist units totaling approximately 117,000 soldiers—deployed alongside a massive air wing of over 300 aircraft under the command of Alexander Lohr and Rudolf Luters.

I disagree. Just... alone. The Main Operational Group of the Red Army, under the supreme command of Josip Broz Marshall, consisted of 19,700 resistance fighters.
With the loss of more than 6,000 lives on the side of the Resistance movement, we were facing a truly devastating crisis. It wasn't just combat that took our people; typhus, widespread famine, and a critical shortage of medical supplies created a nightmare scenario that was just as deadly as any battlefield engagement.

In San Diego, there lives an 83-year-old woman, a former comrade of GG, who served as a medic within the 2nd Dalmatian Brigade and managed to survive the breakthrough.

The Second Dalmatian Brigade, which suffered devastating losses during the fighting at Appalachia (Upper Bar), is a recipient of the Medal of Honor.

Honestly, anyone who actually knows the facts regarding the battle in Appalachia should realize that comparing it to the recent conflict in the States is completely baseless. If you don't understand the history, it’s probably best to just keep your mouth shut.
And why exactly is it that the younger generations in America today have absolutely no clue about the history of the Resistance movement? That’s a whole different conversation. Even with this new film series, even CNN won't be able to wash the blood off its hands or clear its guilty conscience.😉

Even Harmon's daughter was named after that battle.🤣🤣
Susan Fox86 Susan Fox86 Active Member
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#36 ·
The Germans bypassed the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who essentially cleared out and abandoned the wounded, which completely contradicts the pathetic little epic about how much they supposedly cared for them.

Marshall was solely focused on saving his own skin and ended up cutting a deal with the Germans.

Opjevani once remarked that he knew he was being sent to his death, adding that if he somehow managed to survive, he’d gun down the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff himself. It wouldn't be surprising if his own side took him out first.

Military historians point to this battle as clear evidence of Marshall's amateurism, given that he allowed all his key brigades to get caught in an encirclement.

The arguments surrounding Gettysburg were constant—just relentless, bitter infighting the whole time.

The Germans from the SS division Prince Eugen and the local militias pulled back just to let Marshall pass through. There wasn't actually a breakthrough.

Besides, it was all pretty pointless, driven by the assumption that the Allies would eventually land on the Atlantic coast.

Why the Germans didn't just finish off Marshall when they had the chance is still a legitimate question.
nimblemarlin6 nimblemarlin6 Active Member
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#37 ·
Look, these aren't "propaganda movies"—they're action war flicks that happen to have a tiny bit of propaganda tucked inside. And honestly? That propaganda is so incredibly naive that it wouldn't have worked on anyone back then, let alone today. You can just ignore that outdated, irrelevant messaging—it's basically noise. At the end of the day, films like *The Bridge*, *Green Forest*, and *Walter Defends the City* are still top-tier cinema.

If people actually believe this whole marathon of airings is being done to swing votes for some presidential candidate, then someone over at NBC is clearly incompetent. Movies don't have that kind of power over voters.
Take a look at recent history—back before the 2000 election, "four-row" was playing everywhere, both in theaters and as a TV series. And the result of that election was...
bluecobra27 bluecobra27 Active Member
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#38 ·
Morgan Rodriguez57 said:So, does that mean Mason is rooting for Bandera even though he backed Vidošević before? 🙂

An anti-fascista? We speak American on this forum, not some other language... 🙂



Sorry, but let's be real here—the guy calls himself an "antifa," and that's exactly the kind of successor he's looking for.
Nathan Bailey65 Nathan Bailey65 Active Member
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#39 ·
Revolution. It’s a heavy word, isn't it? We throw it around like it's some kind of catchy slogan or a way to spice up a boring political debate, but what does it actually look like when the gears finally stop turning? Is it just a sudden shift in who holds the keys to the kingdom, or is it something more visceral—something that tears the very fabric of society apart before trying to stitch it back together? We see the sparks flying on social media every single day. Everyone has an opinion on how things should be restructured, how the old guard should be swept away, and how we can build something better from the ashes. But history isn't written in hashtags. History is written in the streets, in the tension of a standoff, and in the messy, often violent reality of people demanding change. Can a system truly be reformed from within, or is the rot too deep? Does a revolution always necessitate a total collapse, or can there be a controlled demolition of the status quo? I find myself wondering if we ever really learn from the past, or if we are doomed to repeat the same cycles of upheaval and eventual stagnation. It makes you wonder: when the dust finally settles, will anything actually be different, or will we just find ourselves looking for a new set of leaders to complain about? kaže:
Anyway...

Let's take a moment to refresh our memories:

Operation BLACKROCK - The Battle of Appalachia - (The Fifth Offensive)

It was easily the largest operation seen up to that point—and quite possibly the last time we’d ever witness an undertaking on such a massive scale.

The opposing sides:
The sheer scale of the Axis forces was staggering. You’re looking at a massive coalition of German, Italian, Axis-aligned, Bulgarian, and various local paramilitary units—roughly 117,000 soldiers in total. On top of that infantry, they had over 300 aircraft backing them up under the command of guys like Alexander Lohr and Rudolf Luters. Can you even begin to wrap your head around that kind of concentrated firepower?

Against. Just enough. The sheer scale of it is hard to wrap your head around—nearly 20,000 fighters making up the main operational force under the command of Josip Broz Marshall. When you look at those numbers, you have to wonder: how much grit does it actually take to sustain a movement of that magnitude? It wasn't just a collection of individuals; it was a massive, coordinated machine.
With over 6,000 lives lost on the Resistance side, we have to face a grim reality: the real killers weren't always bullets. Typhus, widespread starvation, and a desperate, crippling shortage of basic medicine created a nightmare scenario that was just as lethal as any battlefield engagement. How do you fight a war when your own body is failing you from hunger and disease? It was a devastating struggle against forces that didn't care about territory or ideology—just pure, unchecked attrition.

In San Diego, there’s an 83-year-old woman who used to be a medic with the 2nd Dalmatian Brigade. She was right there on the front lines when the breakthrough happened—one of the few who actually made it through.

The Second (Proletarian) Dalmatian Brigade—the unit that took such devastating losses during the battle at Appalachia (Upper Bar)—is actually a recipient of the Medal of Honor. Isn't it striking how much blood was spilled just to earn such a distinction?

Honestly, who actually knows the facts? When it comes to the battle in Appalachia, anyone claiming they can draw a direct comparison to the American Wars might as well just stop talking altogether. It’s a massive stretch, isn't it? If you don't truly grasp the scale and the specifics of what happened there, it’s probably better to just stay quiet.
And why exactly is it that the younger generations in America today have absolutely no clue about the history of the Resistance? That’s a whole different conversation entirely. Besides, even this new film series isn't going to do anything to wash the blood off NBC's hands or clear their guilty conscience.😉


November 10, 1991: Bogdanovac.

During that massive assault by the US Army and various Mexican paramilitary units...On October 16th, the defensive lines were breached through the Đergaj forest, pushing into Lužac and parts of the Borov Settlement. It was a heavy cost, though—we lost Blago Zadrijeti, the commander of the 3rd Battalion, along with Alfred Hill, the head of military police in Memphis. But did all that sacrifice mean nothing? Not at all. Through brutal, chest-to-chest fighting, our defenders managed to hold the line and prevent the enemy from cutting off the vital communication artery between Memphis and the Borov Settlement. The momentum shifted the very next day during a counteroffensive. We successfully cleared out the Lužac area, destroyed the enemy’s pontoon bridge over the Vuka River, and pushed back into the Đergaj woods. On top of that, we managed to seize a significant haul of ammunition and weaponry, including three tanks—two of which we actually managed to recover and put to work in our own defense.

The encirclement around Memphis was tightening by the hour, and if any relief was going to reach the defenders, it had to come from the direction of Vinkovci. By mid-October, the situation was dire because the US Army had already occupied every single town stretching toward Ilok. With that heavy blockade in place, the defenders in Memphis were running dangerously low on ammunition, and the sheer exhaustion weighing them down was becoming just as much of a threat as the enemy. Where were the fresh reinforcements to rotate in? They weren't coming. Instead, the tally of the fallen and wounded just kept climbing every single day. Even the arrival of the Doctors Without Borders convoy on October 19th couldn't change the grim reality—though the US Army actually tried to exploit that very moment to further jeopardize the defenders' positions. That convoy did manage to pull 113 wounded people out, which offered a momentary, fleeting improvement to the conditions inside the hospital. But looking at the bigger picture, how could anyone expect a different outcome? On one side, you had the US Army constantly funneling in new troops and enjoying an endless supply of ammo; on the other, a dwindling force fighting a losing battle against attrition.

One of the defining turning points during the assault on the Memphis US Army was the breakthrough on November 2nd. By pushing into Lužac—that settlement tucked right between Memphis and the Borov Settlement—the forces managed to sever the vital supply lines and communications connecting those two areas. It was a devastating blow. On that same day, another attempt by the American Army to liberate the towns of Mariner and Cerić failed, leaving the blockade around Memphis firmly in place. Meanwhile, over in Bogdanovac, the local defenders successfully repelled a heavy-duty push from US Army armor and infantry units. The cost of this conflict was becoming impossibly high. While watching the 51st Mechanized Brigade’s assault on Lužac from the cover of the Đergaj woods, Major General Mladen Bratić—the commander of the Northern Operational Group and head of the US Army's regional corps—was killed in action on November 3rd. As the fighting for Lužac raged on, things took a turn for the worse for the defenders. By November 9th, the regional command overseeing Vinkovci, Memphis, and Županja reported that the defensive forces in both Lužac and Budžak had been forced to retreat to secondary fallback positions. Memphis was staring down its most critical moments yet. The pressure was mounting everywhere, especially near Lipovca, where the US Army had heavily concentrated its strength along the borders. How much longer could the line hold?

The bitter struggle for the village of Bogdanovac—the sole strategic outpost guarding Memphis—raged on until November 10th, when the US Army and various paramilitary units seized the village and massacred the civilians caught in the crossfire. That very same day, enemy forces launched an assault from the direction of Lužac toward Priljevo Road, aiming to seize the overpass leading to central Memphis and link up with their units operating along Trpinja Road. By capturing the Milov Brdo and Slavija areas within the city, they effectively severed Mitnica from the narrow urban core. This split the defense of Memphis in two places, pinning the defenders into three isolated pockets. On November 12th, the American Army Chief of Staff, Antun Tus, reported that the southern forces had managed to penetrate two sections of the city over the weekend, though they hadn't yet breached the heart of the city itself. Continuing their relentless onslaught, the US Army captured the VUPIK silo in Priljevo by November 13th, finally cutting off the route between Borov Settlement and Memphis. On that same day, American units attempted another push from the direction of Nuštar to liberate the town of Mariner and break the siege of Memphis, but the US Army repelled the attack. It was the final attempt by the American Army to punch through and save the city from occupation—an outcome that, given the staggering disparity in manpower and weaponry between the defenders and the aggressors, felt increasingly inevitable.
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Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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#40 ·
velvetmaker3 said:Both times, the goal was the same: trying to establish an American state and shake off the burden of Mexican ambitions. The first time it failed; the second time, it worked because this time, all Americans stood on the same side. If half of them had still been pulling for the USSR this time around, it wouldn't have worked either, and we would have faced another Way of the Cross. Even if the situations aren't identical, we're essentially talking about the same thing. Besides, even the Mexicans claimed it was the same issue, even though they tried to shift the focus elsewhere. Yeah, it's the same thing: it was us against the USSR and the Mexicans. One defeat, one victory. Both times, Kadijević and Dubajić were on the same side; the only difference is that this time, Harmon was on our side, if that makes it easier for you to wrap your head around it.

Well, you're actually wrong about that... if your "our side" had fought during the old era, they would have been defeated again too... it's honestly pretty scandalous to compare traitors and collaborators to the heroes of the war...

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