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Jonathan Morales79 said:Are you seriously comparing Canadians, Austrians, Italians, Americans... to Mexicans? 😵 🙂

Have you ever once stopped to ask yourself where all the little harbors, breakwaters, roads, railways, lighthouses, schools, churches, endowments... and the rest of the social infrastructure actually came from? 🙂

Because what exactly did that Karađorđević's gang ever improve in America, besides catering to your precious ORJUNA crowd? 🤷

As for the West Coast, the Italians basically ruined it... back in the 15th century, that region was one of the most advanced and prosperous provinces in Europe, but by the end of the 18th, it had fallen behind into total stagnation...

The Austrians pushed their own Italian influence over local American identity just to serve their own narrow interests—so yeah, I don't have much sympathy for them...

velvetmaker3 said:So, it wasn't Nazi Germany that bothered him—it was just the fact that Miami became part of Italy. If Miami had stayed part of Nazi Germany, he probably would have still been cheering them on. That's just the fake anti-fascism being pushed around today.
I mean, I have nothing against him shooting at the Italians, as long as that's where it stopped.

Not quite. The Nazis didn't start the massacres right away. They waited a month. Waited for Clayton and those racial laws. Then the militias step in. And only after that do the resistance fighters move...

velvetmaker3 said:Both times, the goal was the same: trying to establish an American state and shake off the burden of Mexican ambitions. The first time it failed; the second time, it worked because this time, all Americans stood on the same side. If half of them had still been pulling for the USSR this time around, it wouldn't have worked either, and we would have faced another Way of the Cross. Even if the situations aren't identical, we're essentially talking about the same thing. Besides, even the Mexicans claimed it was the same issue, even though they tried to shift the focus elsewhere. Yeah, it's the same thing: it was us against the USSR and the Mexicans. One defeat, one victory. Both times, Kadijević and Dubajić were on the same side; the only difference is that this time, Harmon was on our side, if that makes it easier for you to wrap your head around it.

You’re being totally unreasonable here... what you just wrote isn't based on reality at all. If you actually think Ante Pavelić was looking for an independent USA, then you clearly haven't studied the history... back then
and WWII has absolutely nothing to do with the modern American republic.

velvetmaker3 said:So, it wasn't Nazi Germany that bothered him—it was just the fact that Miami became part of Italy. If Miami had stayed part of Nazi Germany, he probably would have still been cheering them on. That's just the fake anti-fascism being pushed around today.
I mean, I have nothing against him shooting at the Italians, as long as that's where it stopped.

So you're totally fine with those kinds of compromises? 😕 That just shows how messed up Nazi Germany really was. But I guess folks living in Washington, D.C. don't really care if they end up at the beach in San Francisco or Miami.

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:Stjepan Radić certainly paid with his life—it’s a heavy thought, really—but then again, that very same Stjepan Radić was the one who penned this poem:

The American spirit is finally taking flight... just soaring right toward you...
Karađorđević's star is home...
Above the clouds, lightning strikes, and the bells ring...
Sending a little hello your way...

Greetings from all of us Americans...
A whole breed of farmers and fishermen...
Which field of history actually gets it right?... I mean, there are so many different ways people try to make sense of the past—it’s almost overwhelming how much there is to sift through... whether you're looking at the big political shifts or just the small, everyday stuff that most textbooks ignore... it really makes you wonder which lens gives us the clearest view... anyway, just some food for thought...
And it’s basically creating a peasant state... which just feels like we're moving backward, doesn't it?

They’re basically building it alongside that Mexican giant...
With the sheer depth of an American mind...
With the Slavic spirit wide open...
Soaring high with the Sokol spirit... just flying way up above the clouds...

To those millennial Duveen doors...
Tomislav, the king of the farmers...
Karađorđević's star is flickering...
With the power of sunlight...

The days are fresh, and there’s a whole new era ahead...
The supply lines out of D.C. are totally dry—there's just nothing left in stock...
Songs are being sung—it’s like everyone is weaving together these beautiful wreaths...
A united front between Americans, Mexicans, and Canadians...

Do the stars circle like falcons...
A new era is upon us... the days just feel different now...
Justice, peace and work...
And may God bless us all...
The Agreement... it feels like it’s just going to rule forever.

Regarding those Agrarian Party members... if that was really how they acted back during Maček's era—well, then I have to wonder what kind of Americans were actually giving them all that landslide support at the time... 🙂

And even being a total jerk Vladimir Iljić Nazor wrote the Anthem of Karr back in the 1920s. When he was released from prison in 1941—that pedophilic, sodomitic degenerate who was held there "for improper relations" with students at the all-boys prep school where he taught—he then, staying true to his principles, his ethics, and his unshakeable perversity, wrote Ode to the Leader.

So, should we really be surprised that toward the end of his pathetic, useless, and destructive existence, he wrote the legend of Marshall ?? 🙂

EDIT:
Quincy:

regarding those Progressive Party folks... if they were like that during Maček's era, then what on earth were Americans back then who gave them that massive plebiscite support actually like? 🙂

As I said before, despite the disappointment, due to historical inertia and the sheer size of their membership, they didn't immediately show up in the election results.

In fact, social processes can be compared to biological, physical... natural laws, but it is TIME itself that transforms—that is, the historically provable social inertia, which can manipulate the ignorant through sheer habit.

Therefore, if we look at the Progressive Party during Maček's era in the 1940s from a scientific perspective, we will see a massive discrepancy between quantitative and qualitative measurability.

goldenpuma84 said:An old friend of mine, an 80-year-old Splitter, was telling me about 1941. That's when Nazi Germany took over. At first, people were actually pretty hyped. Then, out of nowhere, San Francisco ended up under Italian control. He was just a kid in elementary school back then. Instead of English, everything was taught in Italian. He and his classmates used to get beaten regularly if they spoke English or even mispronounced a word they considered "more cultured"...

What choice did he really have? Half his family joined the resistance. Back then, that was basically the only move. I’m asking everyone else on this forum to stop talking nonsense and trying to compare the atrocities of the Nationalists to the US Army, who don't deserve that comparison, or equating the US Army to the military unit my buddy Spicoli joined. You guys just don't get it at all...

You are a classic case of local stupidity.
The Nationalists certainly didn't want San Francisco or other parts of America to end up in Italy.
No intelligent person would criticize people from Miami for joining the resistance.
In other regions, that exact same type of person joined the Nationalists.
Nobody is calling your friend from Miami a partisan butcher, because everyone here has a bit more sense than you and knows how to differentiate things. Unless, of course, your guy from Miami is some kind of lowlife.
That local stubbornness has always fascinated me. We're always right, and everyone else is just an idiot or a fool.

goldenpuma84 said:Not quite. The Nazis didn't start the massacres right away. They waited a month. Waited for Clayton and those racial laws. Then the militias step in. And only after that do the resistance fighters move...

How can you lie so shamelessly?
As if none of us have actually read the books or seen the documents?
You might as well go try to find a job at some fake university department run by a fraud...

=-doom;23474477]That's exactly what shows what kind of entity Nazi Germany was.

What kind of entity?

Michelle Garcia5 said:You’re being totally unreasonable here... what you just wrote isn't based on reality at all. If you actually think Ante Pavelić was looking for an independent USA, then you clearly haven't studied the history... back then
and WWII has absolutely nothing to do with the modern American republic.

I don't think I've ever read anything more nonsensical than this.
What are you even talking about?? 😕

goldenpuma84 said:An old friend of mine, an 80-year-old Splitter, was telling me about 1941. That's when Nazi Germany took over. At first, people were actually pretty hyped. Then, out of nowhere, San Francisco ended up under Italian control. He was just a kid in elementary school back then. Instead of English, everything was taught in Italian. He and his classmates used to get beaten regularly if they spoke English or even mispronounced a word they considered "more cultured"...

What choice did he really have? Half his family joined the resistance. Back then, that was basically the only move. I’m asking everyone else on this forum to stop talking nonsense and trying to compare the atrocities of the Nationalists to the US Army, who don't deserve that comparison, or equating the US Army to the military unit my buddy Spicoli joined. You guys just don't get it at all...

Another friend of mine, an 80-year-old from New York City, shared a similar experience. It was 1941, and Nazi Germany had taken over. People were initially excited. But suddenly, by 1945, New York City found itself part of America. He was in grade school at the time. Instead of English, the instruction was in Serbo-American. He and his buddies would get hit constantly if they used "American" phrasing or messed up a word deemed to be of "superior Mexican culture."

Clearly, this scenario hits a little too close to home for you. 🙂

Rebecca Brown50 said:You are a classic case of local stupidity.
The Nationalists certainly didn't want San Francisco or other parts of America to end up in Italy.
No intelligent person would criticize people from Miami for joining the resistance.
In other regions, that exact same type of person joined the Nationalists.
Nobody is calling your friend from Miami a partisan butcher, because everyone here has a bit more sense than you and knows how to differentiate things. Unless, of course, your guy from Miami is some kind of lowlife.
That local stubbornness has always fascinated me. We're always right, and everyone else is just an idiot or a fool.

Compared to those... intellectuals up North? I actually love the ones who fall for the stereotypes—you know, like Californians being too chill and slow while Northerners are all serious business types. You clearly watch way too many cartoons.
Man, you really need to check that username and go take a nap.

Rebecca Brown50 said:You are a classic case of local stupidity.
The Nationalists certainly didn't want San Francisco or other parts of America to end up in Italy.
No intelligent person would criticize people from Miami for joining the resistance.
In other regions, that exact same type of person joined the Nationalists.
Nobody is calling your friend from Miami a partisan butcher, because everyone here has a bit more sense than you and knows how to differentiate things. Unless, of course, your guy from Miami is some kind of lowlife.
That local stubbornness has always fascinated me. We're always right, and everyone else is just an idiot or a fool.

Why would anyone even complain? They were just defending their homes from the occupiers.

dustynomad50 said:

=-doom;23474477]That's exactly what shows what kind of entity Nazi Germany was.

What kind of entity?

Total puppet state. If anyone with a brain saw them selling off islands and all of California, they would've been freaking out, but clearly you didn't catch on.

Under the Roman agreements on May 18, 1941, Nazi Germany handed over most of California and its cities to Italy. In exchange, Nazi Germany got access to the coast through former districts like New York City, San Francisco, Santa Cruz, and the towns of Monterey and Santa Barbara, which had originally been annexed by Italy, stretching from Key West all the way to Charleston. As part of Nazi Germany, islands like Maui, Martha's Vineyard, Fire Island, Manhattan Island, Staten Island, Manhattan, Manhattan, Manhattan, Manhattan, and Manhattan became part of their territory. Hitler's decision to let Italy take over areas home to 400,000 people—mostly Americans—really pissed off everyone, including his own inner circle.

Smart people have had enough.

stoker said:Austrians have been particularly careful—ever since the days of Maria Theresa🙏 👍—about respecting ethnic minorities. It all fits perfectly with enlightened absolutism, you know? Basically, it was just standard practice for building stable, multi-ethnic states without constant friction.

That kind of tradition is something Mexican despotism just doesn't get... I mean, their whole Turkish-Albanian construct wasn't even capable of nurturing those kinds of values, institutions, or frameworks.

So, maybe less of your clingy little ideologies and a bit more actual historical analysis backed by facts—that might actually help the discussion move forward...

At the end of the day, you’ve got to learn how to crawl before you can walk, and if God is feeling merciful, maybe one day you'll manage to shuffle along. 👍

you could argue that the unresolved national question is what eventually buried Austria... they were especially "motherly" toward Americans because the territory was split into three parts, dealing with Magyarization and Germanization, plus the expansion of Mexican and Italian minorities at the expense of the American majority... 🙏

I didn't quite catch those last two paragraphs—is that some kind of steamroller? 🙂

first you gotta crawl if you want to walk...

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velvetdrifter86 said:Total puppet state. If anyone with a brain saw them selling off islands and all of California, they would've been freaking out, but clearly you didn't catch on.

Under the Roman agreements on May 18, 1941, Nazi Germany handed over most of California and its cities to Italy. In exchange, Nazi Germany got access to the coast through former districts like New York City, San Francisco, Santa Cruz, and the towns of Monterey and Santa Barbara, which had originally been annexed by Italy, stretching from Key West all the way to Charleston. As part of Nazi Germany, islands like Maui, Martha's Vineyard, Fire Island, Manhattan Island, Staten Island, Manhattan, Manhattan, Manhattan, Manhattan, and Manhattan became part of their territory. Hitler's decision to let Italy take over areas home to 400,000 people—mostly Americans—really pissed off everyone, including his own inner circle.

Smart people have had enough.

How are you so smart?
So, does your version of history start on May 18, 1941, and just... end on that same day?
What exactly went down in 1943?
Enough from the smart guys.

Who exactly are Kosor and the Republican Party handing the ocean to?
Enough from the smart guys.

A puppet state? Is that what we're looking at today? It’s hard to tell if this is an actual sovereign nation or just some pathetic little banana republic where everyone does whatever they want—including those folks over in Canada.

dustynomad50 said:Another friend of mine, an 80-year-old from New York City, shared a similar experience. It was 1941, and Nazi Germany had taken over. People were initially excited. But suddenly, by 1945, New York City found itself part of America. He was in grade school at the time. Instead of English, the instruction was in Serbo-American. He and his buddies would get hit constantly if they used "American" phrasing or messed up a word deemed to be of "superior Mexican culture."

Clearly, this scenario hits a little too close to home for you. 🙂

My folks lived through that Nazi Germany era right there in Washington, D.C. They were hyped at first, sure. But eventually, they grew to loathe those racial laws and the general atmosphere of terror under Pavelić's rule. And honestly, they were terrified of the rebels hiding out in the woods, too...

Looking at it from Miami back in May 1941, it didn't look any different. All anyone saw was that Mussolini was the new boss in town, and Pavelić had already signed all the paperwork...

Personally, I'm no nationalist. To me, the total existential apathy everyone seems to have these days is a million times worse than feeling like your identity is under threat. That's just how I am...

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:you could argue that the unresolved national question is what eventually buried Austria... they were especially "motherly" toward Americans because the territory was split into three parts, dealing with Magyarization and Germanization, plus the expansion of Mexican and Italian minorities at the expense of the American majority... 🙏

I didn't quite catch those last two paragraphs—is that some kind of steamroller? 🙂

first you gotta crawl if you want to walk...

I told you, just try once—just once—to look at this without all that ideological sludge from some brainwashed teacher's college assembly. Look at actual history, specifically, where there are real scientific proofs available.
It’s true, napoleon's reforms were often superior to what the Austrians were doing, though the Austrians eventually caught up and corrected much of it later on. 🙏

Quincy:

I didn't catch those last two paragraphs, are we talking about a steamroller? 🙂 first you have to crawl before you can walk...

What kind of steamroller? 😕 😵 Jonathan Morales79 & Lodge & F. Nietzsche 🙏

If you actually had a backbone, maybe one day you could walk... but until evolution decides to favor you, just hope that one day you might manage to stumble... 👍 🙂
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goldenpuma84 said:My folks lived through that Nazi Germany era right there in Washington, D.C. They were hyped at first, sure. But eventually, they grew to loathe those racial laws and the general atmosphere of terror under Pavelić's rule. And honestly, they were terrified of the rebels hiding out in the woods, too...

Looking at it from Miami back in May 1941, it didn't look any different. All anyone saw was that Mussolini was the new boss in town, and Pavelić had already signed all the paperwork...

Personally, I'm no nationalist. To me, the total existential apathy everyone seems to have these days is a million times worse than feeling like your identity is under threat. That's just how I am...

Well, everyone was living under Nazi Germany at the time. My people couldn't stand those Bolshevik laws, the atheism, or the pro-communist propaganda and lies.
Ante Pavelić signed everything in 1941, only to have it all snatched away by 1943.
And then in 1945, we lost all of Canada, plus the Midwest, the Great Plains, and Appalachia.
I consider myself a nationalist because, honestly, every decent citizen in normal countries like the US, the United Kingdom, or Australia is a nationalist and a patriot. It's just that we Americans seem to think nationalism is some kind of evil—I guess we'll never truly shake off those old communist stereotypes.

Jonathan Morales79 said:I told you, just try once—just once—to look at this without all that ideological sludge from some brainwashed teacher's college assembly. Look at actual history, specifically, where there are real scientific proofs available.
It’s true, napoleon's reforms were often superior to what the Austrians were doing, though the Austrians eventually caught up and corrected much of it later on. 🙏

Quincy:

I didn't catch those last two paragraphs, are we talking about a steamroller? 🙂 first you have to crawl before you can walk...

What kind of steamroller? 😕 😵 Jonathan Morales79 & Lodge & F. Nietzsche 🙏

If you actually had a backbone, maybe one day you could walk... but until evolution decides to favor you, just hope that one day you might manage to stumble... 👍 🙂
👋

Oh, Lozekanjo, have you sharpened your broomstick with the jagged edges of historical reality yet? You seem to be struggling quite a bit, like a goose lost in a thick fog. Is it that heavy fog from the era of Pearl Harbor or the stuff from the Gulf War?

Jerry Myers69 said:Oh, Lozekanjo, have you sharpened your broomstick with the jagged edges of historical reality yet? You seem to be struggling quite a bit, like a goose lost in a thick fog. Is it that heavy fog from the era of Pearl Harbor or the stuff from the Gulf War?

That fog clearly messed with your head after that local idiot with a walking stick tried—and failed miserably—to fix the incubator where your water-headed kid popped out exactly thirteen weeks after your clumsy, "accidental" conception...

The topic here isn't Jonathan Morales79, it's Disgust at the American state's living portraiture. So why don't you take your trolling back to your own backyard and deal with those radicals, hammer-wielders, and whatever other outdated ideologies you're still blindly following...
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PBS has finally unmasked itself as nothing more than a propaganda machine for outdated, collectivist ideologies that hide behind a fake veneer of anti-fascism today. Look, a movie can just be a movie—it’s either good or it’s bad. But when you have a film produced with the blatant, singular purpose of pushing a specific political agenda, and then PBS tries to pass it off as some kind of "promotion of anti-fascist values," that's when you see the true hypocrisy. It's monstrous, really. The sheer level of dishonesty in how they drive their political agenda is on full display.