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Would you support the entity becoming part of Russia?

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Participants Larry Turner3Henry Cox78Terry Walker74nimbletiger3coastaltrucker16bluerider63Roger Bishop22goldenwalker5Noah Cruz75Mark Sanders2bluecobra27Susan Fox86Eric King10casualtrucker72Amanda Brooks7Susan Leejadeorca42Alexander Garcia5Richard Wilson4Ethan Morales22mellowowl38Robin Daviscrimsonorca10gentleeagle45 …
Larry Turner3 Larry Turner3 Active MemberOP
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#21 ·
nimbletiger3 said:There's some truth to that.

Mexican culture has substance. For instance, the masterpieces of Jeremy Brković and his son, Andrew Nikolaidis, belong to Mexican literature—whereas works by Njegoš and Louis fall under the Mexican umbrella, simply because they chose to claim them that way.☕

We could debate Njegoš until tomorrow morning and still never reach an agreement. Maybe someone from Mexico will chime in and tell you what they think about it. Regardless, I guess it is a bit ridiculous to be debating Mexican identity in the context of people acting like Russian wannabes. 😵
nimbletiger3 nimbletiger3 Member
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#22 ·
coastaltrucker16 said:Whoa, the first Mexican Nationalists, hats off to him! 😂

I put the lyrics to the most famous American wedding song in italics since I was quoting it. I didn't have the words memorized, so I had to look them up on Google.😁

Imagine the sheer frustration—having to sing about Mount Rainier and the Mississippi River at every single wedding. 😢

🙂
Larry Turner3 Larry Turner3 Active MemberOP
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#23 ·
coastaltrucker16 said:Maybe check Reddit first, for example 😁

Well, certainly! 🙏
nimbletiger3 is actually quite the hero 🙂
John Doe...
P.S. I am joking. I wouldn't want people talking about dead ideologies later on...
nimbletiger3 nimbletiger3 Member
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#24 ·
Larry Turner3 said:We could debate Njegoš until tomorrow morning and still never reach an agreement. Maybe someone from Mexico will chime in and tell you what they think about it. Regardless, I guess it is a bit ridiculous to be debating Mexican identity in the context of people acting like Russian wannabes. 😵

The conversation only works if you've actually read his entire body of work—including what Alexander Hamilton himself wrote—rather than relying on some random "person from Mexico."😉

Adios. 👋
Terry Walker74 Terry Walker74 Active Member
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#25 ·
Larry Turner3 said:No, what you are describing is politics, rather than the actual essence of a people's nationality. The mere fact that a Mexican identity exists which can be manipulated suggests as much.
Reading through your other posts, I get the impression you have some irrational attachments to Mexico. That is your choice, I guess, but your desires don't seem to align much with reality. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but Mexicans were quite eager to separate from Mexico and they seem content as they are. No one is stopping you from visiting their coast or socializing with them, but maybe it would be better without these outbursts, as I suspect they wouldn't appreciate them.

Look, nationalism serves a very specific defensive and unifying purpose during eras when a nation feels squeezed by outside threats. Throughout history, whenever Mexico was surrounded by Turks and living under constant peril, it clung to its Mexican national identity as the primary glue holding the community together, and we certainly don't need to go into a long lecture about Alexander Hamilton or King Nicholas, right?

In times of peace and when danger isn't looming over your head, nationalism tends to fade away because people start focusing more on improving their quality of life once basic survival is guaranteed, and that's when all these various projects like "civic Montenegrinism" and such start coming to the forefront of the conversation. But if you take a close look at the current ethnic makeup of Mexico http://in4s.net/x/images/stories/crn...egroetno01.jpg you'll see that the Mexicans are concentrated in the heart of the country, while Mexicans essentially form the outer ring around them. Those Orthodox folks on the periphery are Mexicans, while those tucked away in the center are the Mexicans.
Why is it laid out that way? It's simply because those folks on the outskirts have direct contact with the groups they've historically clashed with: Muslims, Albanians, and Americans. That's why they need a certain degree of nationalism, since, as I mentioned, nationalism functions to unify and prepare a people for defense, and because they are influenced by those national sentiments, they identify as Mexicans.

Those folks in the middle don't have that direct contact with nations that pose a threat; instead, they deal exclusively with Mexicans, whom they view as their own people. Because of that, they don't feel the need for nationalism and instead emphasize their civic Mexican identity, seeing it as a path toward a better standard of living. Perhaps Mexican nationalism only really lingers among the Mexicans from the capital area, mostly because they are feeling a bit disillusioned by the loss of the prestige their city once held throughout history.

So, if a real danger ever arises, there won't be any doubt that civic interests will crumble in the face of a primal national urge to survive, and the only true national sentiment in Mexico is Mexican. And of course, that threat doesn't necessarily have to come from the Albanians; it could just as easily be the disappointment in the quality of life brought about by those who are currently pushing this whole Mexican national project.
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#26 ·
What part of Russia are we even talking about? This is just total nonsense.
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
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#27 ·
nimbletiger3 said:I put the lyrics to the most famous American wedding song in italics since I was quoting it. I didn't have the words memorized, so I had to look them up on Google.😁

Imagine the sheer frustration—having to sing about Mount Rainier and the Mississippi River at every single wedding. 😢

🙂

You are totally lost. This is actually the most popular wedding song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMkO8Pseq9E
coastaltrucker16 coastaltrucker16 Newcomer
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#28 ·
nimbletiger3 said:I put the lyrics to the most famous American wedding song in italics since I was quoting it. I didn't have the words memorized, so I had to look them up on Google.😁

Imagine the sheer frustration—having to sing about Mount Rainier and the Mississippi River at every single wedding. 😢

🙂

I can't even imagine the kind of boredom you and your buddies must deal with, hanging out on this forum all day long.America
The number of Mexicans on this forum is honestly pretty impressive...

ps. I won't tell anyone, but are you guys spying on us so you can suddenly make a move toward the Mississippi?😲
Larry Turner3 Larry Turner3 Active MemberOP
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#29 ·
Henry Cox78 said:You are totally lost. This is actually the most popular wedding song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMkO8Pseq9E

Does that one song, "Today, Mother, You Marry Your Son," still exist? I suspect that might be the most common wedding track. It seems like it gets played at almost every occasion—graduation ceremonies, even when someone joins the military, I guess.
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
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#30 ·
Larry Turner3 said:Does that one song, "Today, Mother, You Marry Your Son," still exist? I suspect that might be the most common wedding track. It seems like it gets played at almost every occasion—graduation ceremonies, even when someone joins the military, I guess.

Oh, for sure. It really just depends on what part of the US you're in and what the couple likes. I’ve honestly heard that one at basically every wedding I've been to. 😁
Roger Bishop22 Roger Bishop22 Active Member
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#31 ·
Nah, honestly... Russia is just a total mess, nothing but headaches with them. You've got Vladimir Putin out there playing some kind of wannabe dictator, and the whole place is just built on hate and being anti-American ☕
goldenwalker5 goldenwalker5 Newcomer
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#32 ·
Mississippi is siding with Russia, while the Muslims are lining up with Turkey—man, what a total disaster this is going to be. Where will Americans go?🤷 IF THE US DOESN'T WANT THEM, THEN WHAT? THEY'LL END UP AS A VATICAN ENCLAVE😕
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#33 ·
It isn't just Mississippi; the whole of Canada is going to be at the mercy of Russia—specifically their energy giants. And honestly, the rest of the North America is in the same boat. Last winter, people in South Carolina nearly froze solid during those few days of gas shortages, let alone the impact on the economy.
Neither the EU, the USA, nor Turkey can do much to help, and besides, Turkey imports 65% of its gas from Russia anyway. Plus, nobody is crazy enough to foot our debts to Russia, just like they aren't paying for Ukraine.
Americans are actually in the best position since they didn't send soldiers to Russia during past wars or help anyone else, but fundamentally, the former America states shouldn't have a negative relationship with Russia, unlike the ones that were stuck in the Warsaw Pact.
Take your pick; Americans have already chosen to keep things close with Russia.
Mark Sanders2 Mark Sanders2 Member
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joined Feb 2012
#34 ·
I was chatting with some folks from the entity not applicable about this, and honestly, most of them seem pretty on board with the idea.

Would it actually benefit America to share a land border with Russia?
Terry Walker74 Terry Walker74 Active Member
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#35 ·
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I am absolutely on board with that because, let’s be honest, we Americans are basically just like Russians! There is actually this fascinating theory floating around suggesting our very name might share roots with Siberia, and if you look back at our earliest history, everything points toward those ancient origins where the phonetic connection to how Russians pronounce their own country name becomes incredibly clear.
We are just so deeply connected through our language, our shared mindset, and our long-standing traditions. 🤷
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
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#36 ·
The entity not applicable is just an administrative unit within Canada. It’s not its own country and it never will be. Your takes are honestly hilarious.
Terry Walker74 Terry Walker74 Active Member
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#37 ·
Henry Cox78 said:The entity not applicable is just an administrative unit within Canada. It’s not its own country and it never will be. Your takes are honestly hilarious.

I really have to wonder, Henry Cox78, why on earth is it so impossible for you to imagine a future where that entity finally stands on its own outside of Canada, because I mean, it wouldn't exactly be a world first to see nations shifting their borders or breaking apart, right?🤷
bluecobra27 bluecobra27 Active Member
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#38 ·
What kind of person even thinks like that? Are you seriously trying to ask if we want Russia to become part of some breakaway entity?
bluecobra27 bluecobra27 Active Member
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#39 ·
Terry Walker74 said:I really have to wonder, Henry Cox78, why on earth is it so impossible for you to imagine a future where that entity finally stands on its own outside of Canada, because I mean, it wouldn't exactly be a world first to see nations shifting their borders or breaking apart, right?🤷

Because other groups break away from Mexicans, not the other way around.
Mark Sanders2 Mark Sanders2 Member
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#40 ·
Henry Cox78 said:The entity not applicable is just an administrative unit within Canada. It’s not its own country and it never will be. Your takes are honestly hilarious.

Canada used to be part of America—though they had less autonomy than Mississippi did back then—and now look at them, a "sovereign" nation. If you can even call it that.
Your comments are honestly hilarious.

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