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Is love really blind?

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Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#181 ·
velvetrider said:I don't know, I feel like you should actually apologize so the other person knows you get it—like, that’s what makes an apology worth anything. Doing it just to make yourself feel better seems kind of selfish, doesn't it... 🙂
Saying "I'm sorry" is probably the hardest part sometimes.

Sometimes the timing is just trash, Arthur, or life just doesn't give you the opening... and if you don't, calling it selfishness is basically just what you're doing right now. 😉
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#182 ·
Gerald Ward61 said:Look, Vince, here's the reality check: as people get older, they actually start to grasp what life is all about, and they become way more intentional about who they date. Just because some supermodel has three Ivy League degrees doesn't mean she's a catch. Honestly, someone with those exact specs could just be a massive pain in the ass. For people who have actually built something for themselves, what really matters is finding an equal... plain and simple.

That’s perfectly clear... though it seems some people are just wandering aimlessly through the woods...
We are discussing the causes and effects of infidelity here, not relationship equality... mentioning infidelity and equality in the same breath is like trying to pair Hitler with humanism. 😵
So, I assume a sexy model with three degrees is somehow a better bet than a toxic individual who hasn't even finished middle school... I'm exaggerating, but you get my point. I don't understand what we are debating, and I'm surprised by how much you all seem to react to 😁 my assertion that it is always better—and arguably more normal—to be crushed by someone worth 5 than someone worth -2...
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#183 ·
Drew Morgan said:In the States, they fall into two distinct camps:
1. Those who are completely bulletproof against insults or humiliation.
2. Those who fold instantly at flashy lies, grandstanding, and crumbs of attention.

But those aren't the actual reasons... they aren't the roots. They are just surface-level symptoms built on top of the fundamental issues that turned them into such scumbags. If you're trying to figure out why a building collapsed, you don't look at the second or third floor; you look at the foundation. To me, that grouping feels exactly like looking at the upper floors. Where is the ground level? Where is the basement? Where are the actual foundations?...

Anyway, I've had enough internet for one day 😁
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#184 ·
Exactly. A partner needs to satisfy you on every level—emotionally, socially, intellectually, spiritually, and sexually. And when I say "satisfy," I’m not talking about some twisted S&M dynamic where one person thrives on crushing the other, while the victim just sits there hoping against hope that things will eventually improve because they think it’s all part of some grand, eternal "love." That’s not it. It’s about finding a harmony where disagreements get settled without the constant finger-pointing, the lingering resentment, the guilt trips, or people nitpicking every little thing just to be difficult. Which, let's face it, is exactly what pushovers allow their tormentors to do...

Sometimes, the aggressor doesn't even want to let go of the person they're using to prove their own power. If they did, they'd just be left feeling empty inside. So, if one person manages to walk away, they immediately start hunting for the next target. At the end of the day, both parties usually have a pretty warped idea of what love actually looks like. 🙂
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#185 ·
silentpilot6 said:Are you suggesting that anyone in this world could be turned into a puppet, provided someone finds the right way to pull their strings?
🙂

Way to go, Legion!

Abuse isn't justified just because the person can't escape being a victim... if someone actually has that kind of power to manipulate them, they could just as easily "manipulate" things in a decent, positive direction and actually help them instead.
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#186 ·
silentpilot6 said:But those aren't the actual reasons... they aren't the roots. They are just surface-level symptoms built on top of the fundamental issues that turned them into such scumbags. If you're trying to figure out why a building collapsed, you don't look at the second or third floor; you look at the foundation. To me, that grouping feels exactly like looking at the upper floors. Where is the ground level? Where is the basement? Where are the actual foundations?...

Anyway, I've had enough internet for one day 😁

pelin gave a solid explanation. I'll go find it and paste it here.
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#187 ·
silentpilot6 said:Are you suggesting that anyone in this world could be turned into a puppet, provided someone finds the right way to pull their strings?
🙂

Theoretically, yes. Except for you—I've already accounted for you; you don't have any weak spots.

Anyone can be rendered vulnerable, harassed, or humiliated, and they won't recover instantly. But to truly become a shell of a person, you have to actively participate in your own destruction. You need that "X factor"—let's call it a temporary lapse in sanity.
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#188 ·
silentpilot6 said:That’s perfectly clear... though it seems some people are just wandering aimlessly through the woods...
We are discussing the causes and effects of infidelity here, not relationship equality... mentioning infidelity and equality in the same breath is like trying to pair Hitler with humanism. 😵
So, I assume a sexy model with three degrees is somehow a better bet than a toxic individual who hasn't even finished middle school... I'm exaggerating, but you get my point. I don't understand what we are debating, and I'm surprised by how much you all seem to react to 😁 my assertion that it is always better—and arguably more normal—to be crushed by someone worth 5 than someone worth -2...

Alright, now look at you...

Nobody wants to be stepped on by someone worth five bucks. You can mess with your own ego a little bit if you're that sensitive (like that Musk guy, right?), but you actually come out better for it. Your ego ends up being better. 😉
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#189 ·
cosmictinker21 said:Exactly. A partner needs to satisfy you on every level—emotionally, socially, intellectually, spiritually, and sexually. And when I say "satisfy," I’m not talking about some twisted S&M dynamic where one person thrives on crushing the other, while the victim just sits there hoping against hope that things will eventually improve because they think it’s all part of some grand, eternal "love." That’s not it. It’s about finding a harmony where disagreements get settled without the constant finger-pointing, the lingering resentment, the guilt trips, or people nitpicking every little thing just to be difficult. Which, let's face it, is exactly what pushovers allow their tormentors to do...

Sometimes, the aggressor doesn't even want to let go of the person they're using to prove their own power. If they did, they'd just be left feeling empty inside. So, if one person manages to walk away, they immediately start hunting for the next target. At the end of the day, both parties usually have a pretty warped idea of what love actually looks like. 🙂

Absolutely! Look at the whole saga involving young Mick—the crew from the USA actually stepped in to try and save him. Now you see how that harasser has spiraled into this aggressive obsession. Honestly, the entire mess Mick found himself in wouldn't have even happened if that woman wasn't such a loose cannon.
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#190 ·
cosmictinker21 said:soul says: ".. I guess people in relationships actually know where the line is drawn..." Unfortunately, most don't even realize they crossed it ages ago. The second you start feeling insecure, uneasy, or living in constant fear of being unwanted or abandoned—or if you feel like your concerns are just dismissed as baseless complaints—that’s the sign that the relationship is fundamentally broken.

So, some idiot asks you about someone you were seeing a year ago. If you don't want to give them a play-by-play (because, honestly, it's none of their business), they decide to go on a private investigation mission to separate fact from fiction. Then, they feed into their own delusions and end up accusing you of lying because you didn't volunteer details about who you slept with... then, in a fit of righteous indignation because you're a "liar," they decide to punish you by giving you the silent treatment for a week. What is there to even say to someone like that? They're just a total loser, and you're done. Permanently.

A lot of people would probably try to de-escalate, explain themselves, or justify this ridiculous behavior as just "jealousy" or "fear of losing you." They’d spend all their energy trying to prove their innocence through logic, waiting around until the offended party finally decides to be merciful and sends a text. It’s such a pathetic cycle. You see right through it; they only love themselves and their own ego. And maybe a few other vultures are just sitting there, waiting for His Majesty to deign to grace them with his presence. And when he finally does, they act like they've won the lottery. God, we really are suckers sometimes... 🤣

How many days would you refuse to talk to him? He sounds exactly like my ex.
Here’s a little something for you...


Emericzy said:Maherica, you know I love you, right? If only you were a little bit smarter...

Well, you know I have a thing for smart women. 🙂
Anthony Anderson91 Anthony Anderson91 Newcomer
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#191 ·
Gerald Ward61 said:Alright, now look at you...

Nobody wants to be stepped on by someone worth five bucks. You can mess with your own ego a little bit if you're that sensitive (like that Musk guy, right?), but you actually come out better for it. Your ego ends up being better. 😉

Miracle Whip, sweetie, check your PMs.
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#192 ·
Gerald Ward61 said:Sometimes the timing is just trash, Arthur, or life just doesn't give you the opening... and if you don't, calling it selfishness is basically just what you're doing right now. 😉

Hmm, I'm not sure I'm totally following you there...
I mean, miscommunication feels like a bigger sin to me—everyone’s basically running their own little movie in their head, but there's really only one truth to it. When you actually own up to a mistake, that’s the real apology. It doesn't exactly drive up your "market value," but it makes you a better person, I suppose. There are plenty of examples of that out there. Time eventually sorts itself out.
Giving in a little, being flexible... that's kind of the secret to love, anyway. That's how you end up getting the slow hand.
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#193 ·
Our egos are constant liabilities—just mindless vanity making up problems where none exist. Your hurt stems solely from a bruised ego. Don't waste tears over it; that ego will eventually trip you up anyway, much like this situation you described. Just realize this: the guy wasn't interested, so let him go. Whether he has a girlfriend or not is irrelevant to your life. Once you grasp that, you'll actually grow. This setback is actually a win.

You’re fixated on him because, by your own admission, you were planning to dump him and he beat you to the punch.
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#194 ·
Drew Morgan said:Our egos are constant liabilities—just mindless vanity making up problems where none exist. Your hurt stems solely from a bruised ego. Don't waste tears over it; that ego will eventually trip you up anyway, much like this situation you described. Just realize this: the guy wasn't interested, so let him go. Whether he has a girlfriend or not is irrelevant to your life. Once you grasp that, you'll actually grow. This setback is actually a win.

You’re fixated on him because, by your own admission, you were planning to dump him and he beat you to the punch.

Honestly, it doesn't matter. The main thing is that you finally got that jerk out of your life. It isn't really about pride or playing some kind of game; it's just about solving a problem. As for who dumped whom first... let the people obsessed with those little details have their fun, I guess.😁
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#195 ·
velvetrider said:Hmm, I'm not sure I'm totally following you there...
I mean, miscommunication feels like a bigger sin to me—everyone’s basically running their own little movie in their head, but there's really only one truth to it. When you actually own up to a mistake, that’s the real apology. It doesn't exactly drive up your "market value," but it makes you a better person, I suppose. There are plenty of examples of that out there. Time eventually sorts itself out.
Giving in a little, being flexible... that's kind of the secret to love, anyway. That's how you end up getting the slow hand.

I have no idea where you disappeared to, Arthur, but I just wanted to say that sometimes life just happens. Sometimes circumstances or the reality of a situation make it impossible to even "say" sorry. But hey, I think we both get what the point is. 🙂
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#196 ·
silentpilot6 said:I've already made this point in this thread, and people didn't exactly agree... though most folks here prefer to philosophize about rabbit holes and elite theories😁 rather than addressing the actual reasons behind such blatant corruption.

Here is what Pelican wrote:

"Why even bother putting all this forward? Why not just walk away after a few humiliations?
I figured if things worked out and she actually loved me, I’d get my life and my self-respect back—my sense of self. Or at least, I wouldn't feel like everything I sacrificed was for nothing. That's why I stayed.
You invest so much of yourself that you can't bear to admit it's time to cut your losses and run like hell.
It's like waiting thirty minutes for a bus in Chicago and thinking it's too stupid to start walking because surely it'll show up any second... except in this case, the bus might eventually arrive, but the lowlifes running the show aren't ever going to change."
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#197 ·
Drew Morgan said:Here is what Pelican wrote:

"Why even bother putting all this forward? Why not just walk away after a few humiliations?
I figured if things worked out and she actually loved me, I’d get my life and my self-respect back—my sense of self. Or at least, I wouldn't feel like everything I sacrificed was for nothing. That's why I stayed.
You invest so much of yourself that you can't bear to admit it's time to cut your losses and run like hell.
It's like waiting thirty minutes for a bus in Chicago and thinking it's too stupid to start walking because surely it'll show up any second... except in this case, the bus might eventually arrive, but the lowlifes running the show aren't ever going to change."

Jesus, this takes me back to my own days of being an absolute idiot😢😵🙈🤦
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#198 ·
Maybe we finally cracked the code on how to be a total hack.
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#199 ·
Drew Morgan said:Maybe we finally cracked the code on how to be a total hack.

Someone should just file the patent already. At this rate, they might actually strike it rich...🤣
lonegardener lonegardener Regular
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#200 ·
Drew Morgan said:Here is what Pelican wrote:

"Why even bother putting all this forward? Why not just walk away after a few humiliations?
I figured if things worked out and she actually loved me, I’d get my life and my self-respect back—my sense of self. Or at least, I wouldn't feel like everything I sacrificed was for nothing. That's why I stayed.
You invest so much of yourself that you can't bear to admit it's time to cut your losses and run like hell.
It's like waiting thirty minutes for a bus in Chicago and thinking it's too stupid to start walking because surely it'll show up any second... except in this case, the bus might eventually arrive, but the lowlifes running the show aren't ever going to change."

This is a pattern that applies to most people, and it isn't just about staying in a bad relationship. 😍

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