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Is love really blind?

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Jeremy Brooks6 Jeremy Brooks6 Member
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#21 ·
silentpilot6 said:If they truly feel zero connection to anyone "normal," then they are simply being irrational 🤷

Whether I’ve lived my whole life acting with complete logic is a difficult question. Perhaps I just possess a subconscious filter 😁 that instinctively weeds out people who might cause me harm, though that isn't always a certainty.
You can dive headfirst into a relationship "without thinking," but eventually, your reason should kick in to provide clarity and perspective.
For instance, my intuition told me to walk away from that married woman... and I have never once regretted that decision.

The idea of "losing one's mind" is also highly debatable. I understand those who lose their heads over someone genuinely kind and high-quality... but those who lose themselves over toxic jerks 😁, parasites, or manipulators 😬 are beyond my comprehension; I cannot understand or justify their actions in any way.
If you’ve been following this thread, you've seen—though there are always two sides to every story—that the people these individuals were obsessing over weren't exactly prizes or social favorites. Often, everyone around them 😁 was explicitly telling them to stay away from certain people... yet it didn't help.
To me, that is what it means to lose your head over a jerk, and it can never be justified.

Searching for Love... honestly, how does anyone actually fall for an obvious jerk? 🤷
Again, I am speaking from my own experience. I’ve had relationships that were "just casual"—I never fell in love.
I’ve also been with people who were clearly unstable, and I never fell for them either.
I’ve dealt with people who tried to manipulate me, and I walked away from them very quickly.
But the women I actually loved never made fools of me.

Regarding that last point, call me cold and calculating if you must 😁, but you should never lose sight of yourself for anyone else... especially not for someone you might be wonderful with today, only to pass them on a street in a year and look the other way. 👎

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Rebecca Scott3 Rebecca Scott3 Active Member
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#22 ·
...that deep-seated need to really connect with someone... the more you can understand each other, the better...
...and then there's the physical side... that pull, the chemistry... however you personally experience it...
...it’s these two needs coming together... humans are wired to be social creatures... (it's hard to be alone if you aren't terrified of everyone else)... plus that drive for intimacy, which is really about reproduction and just having a partner... ideally, you find someone where the gears mesh—interests, values, perspectives... and when you add that physical spark into the mix... huh... it feels heavenly...
...but honestly, most of the time, you only get a piece of that puzzle, not the whole package...

...and I see people who are already in relationships, but they aren't getting that full spectrum of what they need... they end up glancing sideways... wondering if they'll ever find their "dream" match...
...some people just linger on the sidelines... too afraid to jump into something new because they've been burned before...
...they just settle for crumbs...
...usually, things like marriages, engagements, family legends, or even old tragedies don't actually stop love from happening...
...the real barrier is a lack of love itself... it's that internal calculation... weighing whether it's actually worth investing in a relationship... and that's where the battle is won or lost... that's the spot where true love disappears... it turns into nothing but selfish needs and fear... the fear of being a failure, or looking foolish in front of someone else... like looking into a mirror... and suddenly, those "crumbs" feel like a colorful lie...
...someone who truly loves doesn't live in fear... they tear down the walls of prejudice and don't give a damn about what the neighbors think...
...there are no obstacles except for that hesitation, that moment of weighing the risks in the eyes of the other person...
...that's the only real hurdle to love...
...once that person starts calculating the cost, or starts turning away... that's when we go blind...
...because when you're hurting, you lose sight of everything else... you're just searching for a way out... a cure... anything to make the ache go away...
...in my 72 years, I haven't had a single regret about falling in love... or about loving someone deeply... why should I repent or feel ashamed? Why should I call myself a fool just because I gave my heart to someone?...
...I think the only thing that would truly make me sad and empty is if I reached a point where I couldn't love anyone anymore...
Love... it's just part of our DNA... it's what makes us human...
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#23 ·
Drew Morgan said:No. This is a much more complex mechanism. First off, have you even been following that thread? If not, you have no idea what’s actually going on there. It isn't about love—believe me—it's pure, unadulterated temporary insanity. Go read the thread and see for yourself.

Those women didn't just "dare to love"—they stepped far beyond the boundaries of love, reason, and anything remotely recognizable in a sane universe.

So, the topic is love, right? Or whatever.

I'm not trying to lay down any broad rules here—no generalizations intended—but it really just comes down to those specific moments where you can tell someone is just settling for a cheap substitute for actual love.
Look, you pretty much have to love me back... because, I mean, I definitely love you.
either/or
Selfishness... honestly, I love it—mostly because it just feels good.

They’re talking about those "complex" mechanisms you mentioned—you know, the ones that sound like they belong in some high-tech Silicon Valley lab rather than just everyday life... I guess.

I was just replying to that thread...
Honestly, I feel like most people just love being right—you know, that whole ego trip where we convince ourselves our perspective is the only one that actually matters? It’s kind of toxic, really. When you stop talking and just start assuming you've got it all figured out, even the best relationships can just fall apart. But if you actually try to understand someone—and I mean *really* listen, not just wait for your turn to speak—that’s how you actually build something real. Just a thought, I guess.
If you actually love someone—like, truly love them—what happens when that feeling just... leaves? I mean, what's left once the spark is gone and the whole thing just kind of evaporates? It's a weird thought, I guess. Maybe it's just emptiness, or maybe there's some leftover residue of who you were when you were with them. I don't know. It’s one of those things that stays with you, even after the dust settles.

So, what do you actually do when you’re in love—like, really, deeply in love? I mean, is there this internal line you hit where you eventually just... stop? Where you decide that loving someone else has reached its limit and it's time to start choosing yourself again? Maybe. I guess it’s one of those things you don't really realize you're doing until you're already standing on the other side of it.

So, I guess you could say there's this line—like a boundary where your brain finally just hits a wall and says, "Nope, I'm done." But then, right at that exact second, you kind of loop back around and start using that same logic again—you know, telling yourself it doesn't actually matter, that you can handle it, and you just push right through it. You feel me?
It’s kind of funny you think those people aren't actually aware of what's going on... I mean, maybe they just don't want to admit the connection between their actions and the consequences—that's a thought. You could probably pull a lot of insights from behaviorism there, but it goes way deeper than just physical reactions. We're talking about the mental side of things too, which leads us straight into the ID—and it isn't just about raw instinct. It's more like... I guess you could say the ultimate drive is actually the hunger for knowledge.
It really just comes down to what you’re actually driving—you know, what kind of headspace you're operating from.

@ Rebecca Scott3

It’s kind of beautiful, I guess... the way birds just fade away while they're still singing. 🙂
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#24 ·
quietpilot87 said:Good 4 U. I wasn't born with a PhD in consciousness, and I'm not ashamed of it. Yeah, idiots have played me before—I'm claiming my right to be stupid. I think everyone gets a certain number of credits for that. 🙏

It's not about being right all the time; it's about eating a pile of crap so you know better than to do it again next time.


To me, there's nothing funny about eating garbage, regardless of the size, especially when it's as big as an elephant's 😁
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#25 ·
cosmictinker21 said:Not really... it's more that their value systems and core needs were shaped by different circumstances. If someone spends their formative years—back when they're still figuring out intimacy and what a partnership actually looks like—buried in romance novels instead of actually observing how real relationships function, they tend to get stuck in that romanticized bubble. Often, those "foundations" aren't even theirs; they're just patterns picked up from people nearby, magazines, or poetry where every second verse is about some grand, sweeping passion. When you're young, you don't always see past the romance to the deeper stuff. I mean, Romeo and Juliet isn't just a story about unrequited longing; it dives into much heavier social and emotional complexities. You don't really start grasping those nuances until much later, once you've lived through things beyond just a broken heart. It's especially true if there's very little talk about Love within the family, or any outward signs of affection and intimacy... if those things aren't modeled at home, a young person is left to scavenge for whatever information happens to be most accessible.

I am certainly no expert on romance novels, 😁 but the people in them are always so wonderful and perfect, aren't they? 😕
Then someone reads a romance novel where Pero Vesna 😁 carries her like a precious gift... and then that reader finds herself with some guy 😁 who does absolutely everything opposite to what she read about or dreamed of. And the best part? She ends up furious with him, as if he's failed her in every conceivable way. 🤷
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#26 ·
Jamie Reyes73 said:Quote : Legion
Legion As follows:
Reading through that infamous thread over on Reddit—you know the one—one question just kept hitting me. Is love actually blind? It probably is deaf and stupid, too...
Since you aren't exactly operating with a fully sound mind—or even much reasoning, for that matter—I’ll just say this: love isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Even when it’s mutual—well, damn—it’s just nature, and there's really nothing we can do to control it.
Deciding whether or not to let yourself fall in love—it's a choice, really. A bit of a gamble, if you ask me.
Quote : Legion

People aren't stupid. 😁
Quote : Legion

So that’s your "moral" standard—the line you refuse to cross...
We aren't all cut from the same cloth—for instance, I find pride to be just as much of a useless distraction as...
And love... when you're falling, that chemical rush takes over—you aren't quite yourself anymore. Tell me—have you ever actually been there?
Is he in love?

Quote : Legion
Legion As follows:
Do people actually believe love conquers all? It doesn't—and even that idealized version of love we see in movies is almost always a one-way street.
People end up suffering, making fools of themselves... tossing away friends and family, or tanking their finances and lives, all for someone who clearly doesn't give a damn about them.
Love is just an evolutionary drive inside us... you can't argue with the biology.
It’s what pushes you to find a partner and reproduce—damn it. 😍

People aren't necessarily foolish... but let's be honest, many simply lack common sense. 😁
I agree that it's difficult, if not impossible, to control whether we fall in love or not... but it’s quite obvious that some people simply have a little more luck than others. 🤔 It’s strange how people fall for all sorts of characters—types that probably nobody else, not even their own mother, could ever truly love. 😬 It seems I am the only one who feels this way...

Listen, you’re asking if I’ve ever been in love? If you had read my posts on Reddit four or five years ago, you would have seen just how many tears I shed. 😁 So you go out with two different women and then have the nerve to call love unnecessary bullshit?😕
Have you ever truly been in love?
Pride can be a very healthy thing. 😁He should be, if anything, a shield against total gutter behavior... Something like, "I couldn't care less what anyone thinks." 😁 👍
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#27 ·
Drew Morgan said:I find you far more interesting than those hacks, who all agreed this was nothing more than a temporary bout of madness.

The truth is, you’re constantly, without fail, outraged by things you don't grasp, while insisting on your own magical, perfectly logical stance on everything under the sun.

By your logic, an anorexic could easily bulk up just by being told that guys don't like that look because skinny isn't sexy (it's like telling a driver to stop idling if they want to save gas—common sense exists). 😍

Give it a rest! 😂

And you're just as stubborn, always popping up in my threads to pick a fight... if that's what makes you happy, go ahead. 👍

That’s why I started this discussion in psychology; I figured we'd get a much more interesting debate here than on that other forum where everyone just cries together and offers endless, hollow pats on the back and empty platitudes. 😁 In the USA

As for the anorexia issue... when all those public figures on JUMBO plakat, on TV, or on the radio scream about how being underweight isn't healthy or attractive—and then they show images of people with anorexia that are supposed to illustrate how disastrous it is 😁—there isn't a single "critic" of that approach to be found. But the moment I say the exact same thing, suddenly everyone starts attacking me. 😕
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#28 ·
velvetrider said:I mean, love is about trust—it isn't blind. It’s more about how much you’re actually willing to risk by letting someone in, I guess. And common sense is definitely in the mix; it’s kind of what keeps you from totally breaking down.
Love needs two people, right? You can't have a monologue, whether you're talking or just thinking.
..time.. sometimes all it takes is just one moment, nothing more.
And pride... good grief, you should be proud of things that matter, but maybe not when it comes to love.

I agree with everything except that last part. Those ego-driven types (check the thread if you aren't caught up) are exactly what's missing the mark. As they say, "I couldn't care less about anyone else's problems." 😁
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#29 ·
Rebecca Scott3... you're exaggerating a bit... honestly... 😁
I didn't even finish reading your post, because seeing that much text at once just kills my motivation to read.
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#30 ·
silentpilot6 said:Rebecca Scott3... you're exaggerating a bit... honestly... 😁
I didn't even finish reading your post, because seeing that much text at once just kills my motivation to read.

ha, ha, here's another one, even if I don't sing quite that well...

exactly! we don't learn how to accept reality; instead, we spend all our time spinning elaborate fantasies about it first. we dream up meeting some woman with hair straight out of a Marvel comic book, and then when we see someone even remotely similar, we convince ourselves she’s "The One." we sketch out this perfect dark-haired, dark-eyed prince in our heads, run into a cheap imitation, and decide it's the real deal. we expect our partners to fulfill our specific needs without ever considering that most of those things aren't even relevant to building a life together. people are constantly feeding us this idea that opposites attract. honestly? people stay together because they're similar. differences are just there to provide a little variety and teach us how to respect someone else's individuality.

It’s mind-boggling to me when someone gets completely crushed just because I don't share their opinion on a topic. They take it personally, like it's some kind of betrayal. It's always like: "Oh, so now you're on *their* side instead of mine!" How dramatic...

People treat love like it's a finished product. You meet someone, realize you have a lot in common, the sex is good, and they fit your ideal—or at least close enough. And then, as you actually spend time together, these shocking facts about the other person start surfacing: "I didn't think you were like this!" 🤣 But what's the point of thinking ahead when you haven't even truly met them yet?🤷

Sometimes we just don't enter relationships slowly. We don't gradually get to know the other person, so we aren't prepared to accept traits that don't fit our preconceived mental map. Because, really, love can only be built, enriched, and nurtured through time. Love is a process, not an event.

Falling in love is the event. It's that sudden, blind, passionate plunge into a relationship, mostly driven by our own desperate need for validation—to feel loved, cared for, attended to, and less alone. There's always that hope that this is the person we've been dreaming about our whole lives. And the biggest fail is when you actually believe it, only to realize you've bought a pig in a poke. A blind, ugly, moody, selfish, washed-up, greedy jerk. Then everything just goes south fast.☕

At that point, you're stuck just trying to claw your way out however you can.

I was just reading threads about mistresses and cheated wives. In the end, it always turns out that one side gets screwed because they were chasing a fantasy that didn't exist. And then you have women who turn their heads, settle for the tiny scraps they occasionally get, and act satisfied just because they managed to keep their status as a married lady. So much for "love." I honestly don't get who is loving whom or in what sense. If love is just picking up the pathetic crumbs falling off someone's table...

friendly, my dear...☕
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#31 ·
silentpilot6 said:And you're just as stubborn, always popping up in my threads to pick a fight... if that's what makes you happy, go ahead. 👍

That’s why I started this discussion in psychology; I figured we'd get a much more interesting debate here than on that other forum where everyone just cries together and offers endless, hollow pats on the back and empty platitudes. 😁 In the USA

As for the anorexia issue... when all those public figures on JUMBO plakat, on TV, or on the radio scream about how being underweight isn't healthy or attractive—and then they show images of people with anorexia that are supposed to illustrate how disastrous it is 😁—there isn't a single "critic" of that approach to be found. But the moment I say the exact same thing, suddenly everyone starts attacking me. 😕

My dear brother, I don't "crash" your threads; my entire world is built on psychology, and these idiots are fascinating—anyone would want to study them.

Propaganda and brainwashing work fine until reality hits—until a real sickness sets in.

After that, talking is useless. Anorexia has one of the highest mortality rates of any mental illness (higher than depression, in my view). Unfortunately, you can't cure it by saying, "Look how ugly and skinny you are, nobody wants you."

Apply that same logic to whatever you want.

You can't fix an idiot suffering from temporary insanity by asking, "Where is your common sense?" Because at the moment of illness, the common sense is gone; it's a symptom.

Just look at the ongoing circus in the US. The mob thinks they're treating a patient, but I'd say they're just entertaining themselves. They've turned this man into a spectacle, engaging in sessions of insults and intoxication—and hey, he’s happy. Pure idiocy, isn't it?
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#32 ·
Morgan Collins20 said:I don't really buy the idea that Love is blind—it feels more like we're just choosing to close our eyes when we first fall... all those little things that eventually end up disappointing us? They were always there, honestly—we either ignored them or just pretended they didn't exist in the first place! 🙂

Exactly. That’s a much sharper way to put it.
Sean Cruz Sean Cruz Regular
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#33 ·
velvetrider said:I mean, love is about trust—it isn't blind. It’s more about how much you’re actually willing to risk by letting someone in, I guess. And common sense is definitely in the mix; it’s kind of what keeps you from totally breaking down.
Love needs two people, right? You can't have a monologue, whether you're talking or just thinking.
..time.. sometimes all it takes is just one moment, nothing more.
And pride... good grief, you should be proud of things that matter, but maybe not when it comes to love.

I can agree with almost everything said here, except for that final sentence. Why on earth do you think pride has no place in love? Do you honestly believe that people who stomp all over the person they claim to "love" actually love them? I don't. Now, the definition of "love" is subjective, but based on my understanding of romantic or erotic love, it certainly doesn't involve being someone else's doormat. That isn't love; it’s just selfishness masquerading as masochism. When you truly love someone, you don't want them to suffer—in fact, for me, the ultimate act of love is letting someone go so they can find their own happiness if they aren't fulfilled in the relationship. Unfortunately, people are selfish, and often driven by massive egos rather than affection, they won't let a partner go; instead, they toss out mere crumbs just to keep them hanging on. Similarly, those who endure such nonsense are choosing to suffer because they refuse to leave and seek happiness elsewhere, even when they know deep down the other person doesn't care. That is pure selfishness too. There isn't a single li of love in that.
Unconditional love is a myth.
Jamie Reyes73 Jamie Reyes73 Member
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#34 ·
silentpilot6 said:People aren't necessarily foolish... but let's be honest, many simply lack common sense. 😁
I agree that it's difficult, if not impossible, to control whether we fall in love or not... but it’s quite obvious that some people simply have a little more luck than others. 🤔 It’s strange how people fall for all sorts of characters—types that probably nobody else, not even their own mother, could ever truly love. 😬 It seems I am the only one who feels this way...

Listen, you’re asking if I’ve ever been in love? If you had read my posts on Reddit four or five years ago, you would have seen just how many tears I shed. 😁 So you go out with two different women and then have the nerve to call love unnecessary bullshit?😕
Have you ever truly been in love?
Pride can be a very healthy thing. 😁He should be, if anything, a shield against total gutter behavior... Something like, "I couldn't care less what anyone thinks." 😁 👍

Dammit, I'm a man (though clearly, all you think about is sex 🤣).

Dig up those old posts of yours for me to read, because I can't believe
that you shed tears back then and are now peddling this story. 😁
Of course it's bullshit... I feel much better and more stable with someone
whom I am not in love with...
Naturally, I've been in love—more than once, in fact—otherwise, I wouldn't be bothering with this topic at all.
It sucks for me, and you really ought to realize it's a mess based on your own opening post.
It has never led to a positive outcome for me...
A colleague of mine (26) committed suicide because of love. 😢

Fine, give me a single positive example of *love...

Pride is also a useless feeling... One needs to be realistic , and when you're full of pride, that becomes impossible. 😬

*Love—by which I mean that chemical rush, that state of being infatuated. 😍
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#35 ·
I believe unconditional love is reserved strictly for animals. And even then, it’s only possible if you actually care for and understand them. If such a thing exists, it stops at the kennel door.
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#36 ·
I’m gonna drop one of my own here regarding love—probably the wisest thing ever said about it, even if some other geniuses thought it first, though who cares about that 😁 😉...

People love exactly as much as they are capable of, you know? Like, based on what they actually know and can handle.

Is love blind? Well, personally, I’d say love comes equipped with its own microscope.

Passion, obsession, just losing your damn mind—when you're caught in the middle of those emotions, there's no other way to be. Now, why those feelings hit certain people harder than others is a whole different ballgame and basically needs a custom approach for everyone. It’s all a kind of obsession; if you understand the theory behind it, things get a little easier because you don't get quite so lost in the sauce. It doesn't feel nearly as freakish, either. You realize you need to reel it in and you're actually willing to cooperate. And obviously, there's a massive difference whether these crazy passions hit you when you're young or later in life. Still, (or let's hope for most people, which is probably true statistically speaking) we tend to be more grounded as we age, so if those emotional tornadoes show up, they're harder to stomach, but maybe easier to shut down since you have more life experience under your belt (unless, of course, you don't, in which case my whole theory goes right out the window).

So, regarding that whole pride thing Sean Cruz mentioned... in my opinion, in an "ideal" or even just a "normal" partnership, pride is totally useless because it just evaporates through the constant cycle of giving and receiving. It becomes fundamentally unnecessary, not just "kind of" unnecessary. I'm guessing you're thinking about things like being insulted and all that... which you already brought up... but do you really think *that* is love? Nah, that’s just the prelude to getting there.
But then again, being petty or turning your back on someone isn't exactly loving either, right? Moderation, ugh... honestly, people should just find one partner and stick with them from start to finish. And man, wouldn't that be great if we actually knew which person suited us best and who would push us to grow (and vice versa), assuming we were all self-aware enough to know the theory and had some solid mentors to guide us. Did I miss anything? 😁 😉 Oh, yeah, I owe an apology to all my exes (always good practice). 🙂
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#37 ·
Drew Morgan said:I believe unconditional love is reserved strictly for animals. And even then, it’s only possible if you actually care for and understand them. If such a thing exists, it stops at the kennel door.

Oh, come on, Drew Morgan, don't go there. I love animals, sure, but I wouldn't call it unconditional love. 😉
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#38 ·
In my experience, absolutely. When you live with an animal, you get to know their true essence, and they learn yours too. You’ll find yourself forgiving them for things a sane person would never overlook, though a total lunatic might. Sure, a pet can't pull the kind of scams a human can, but they can certainly be dominant, calculating, vengeful, selfish, or just a straight-up menace. There is no way I’m forgiving those traits in a boyfriend (nor would he forgive them in me), yet despite all that, we both absolutely adore our little troublemaker rabbit.
Jamie Reyes73 Jamie Reyes73 Member
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#39 ·
Drew Morgan said:In my experience, absolutely. When you live with an animal, you get to know their true essence, and they learn yours too. You’ll find yourself forgiving them for things a sane person would never overlook, though a total lunatic might. Sure, a pet can't pull the kind of scams a human can, but they can certainly be dominant, calculating, vengeful, selfish, or just a straight-up menace. There is no way I’m forgiving those traits in a boyfriend (nor would he forgive them in me), yet despite all that, we both absolutely adore our little troublemaker rabbit.

He managed to chew through every single piece of my clothing from 😠 😍
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#40 ·
Gerald Ward61 said:I’m gonna drop one of my own here regarding love—probably the wisest thing ever said about it, even if some other geniuses thought it first, though who cares about that 😁 😉...

People love exactly as much as they are capable of, you know? Like, based on what they actually know and can handle.

Is love blind? Well, personally, I’d say love comes equipped with its own microscope.

Passion, obsession, just losing your damn mind—when you're caught in the middle of those emotions, there's no other way to be. Now, why those feelings hit certain people harder than others is a whole different ballgame and basically needs a custom approach for everyone. It’s all a kind of obsession; if you understand the theory behind it, things get a little easier because you don't get quite so lost in the sauce. It doesn't feel nearly as freakish, either. You realize you need to reel it in and you're actually willing to cooperate. And obviously, there's a massive difference whether these crazy passions hit you when you're young or later in life. Still, (or let's hope for most people, which is probably true statistically speaking) we tend to be more grounded as we age, so if those emotional tornadoes show up, they're harder to stomach, but maybe easier to shut down since you have more life experience under your belt (unless, of course, you don't, in which case my whole theory goes right out the window).

So, regarding that whole pride thing Sean Cruz mentioned... in my opinion, in an "ideal" or even just a "normal" partnership, pride is totally useless because it just evaporates through the constant cycle of giving and receiving. It becomes fundamentally unnecessary, not just "kind of" unnecessary. I'm guessing you're thinking about things like being insulted and all that... which you already brought up... but do you really think *that* is love? Nah, that’s just the prelude to getting there.
But then again, being petty or turning your back on someone isn't exactly loving either, right? Moderation, ugh... honestly, people should just find one partner and stick with them from start to finish. And man, wouldn't that be great if we actually knew which person suited us best and who would push us to grow (and vice versa), assuming we were all self-aware enough to know the theory and had some solid mentors to guide us. Did I miss anything? 😁 😉 Oh, yeah, I owe an apology to all my exes (always good practice). 🙂

🤣
Self-confidence is essential. 🙂

Everyone loves only as much as they are capable of, knowing and being able to.

Is love blind? Well, I’d argue that love actually comes equipped with a microscope.
Passion, madness, or sheer frenzy—when you're caught in the middle of that emotional "wash," you can't be any other way. Now, why those emotions hit you with varying intensity is a different matter entirely and requires an individual approach. They are essentially obsessions; if you understand them theoretically, it's easier because you don't get quite as lost in the fray. It isn't even that strange. You know you need to reel it in, and you're willing to cooperate. Of course, there's a difference between experiencing such passionate loves in your youth versus later in life. Still, (or let's hope for most people, which I believe is statistically true from multiple angles) a person is more grounded. So, if those tornadoes hit, they are harder to endure, but easier to stop because you possess more wisdom (though, granted, if you lack it, my theory falls apart).

You know what I think? This emotional "wash" precedes actual love. We all have to go through this phase to realize whether we truly love and whether we are truly loved. Actual love arrives as a sense of calm.
Now, regarding pride, Sean Cruz mentioned it... In my view, within an "ideal" or "normal" partnership, pride is a useless thing because it evaporates through the cycle of giving and receiving. It becomes unnecessary fundamentally, not just conceptually. I assume you're thinking about insults and such, as you mentioned... but do you really think that is love? It isn't; you haven't reached it yet.
But playing games or turning your back on someone isn't exactly loving either, is it? Moderation... ugh. That's why people should ideally have one partner from beginning to end. It would be wonderful if we knew exactly who suits us and who would encourage us to change, just as we would encourage them—provided we were all aware of these dynamics, understood the theory, and had good mentors.

Naturally, pride fades and erodes over time. However, from what I gather here (I haven't read the specific thread on this), the issue is that people stay in relationships even when the other person treats them like a fool for years. Honestly, I can't wrap my head around that. If someone is intentionally humiliating you and expects you to take it, they don't love you. It's that simple, though people try to justify the behavior because they want to believe in something else. As for moderation, that is indeed best, but people tend to swing from one extreme to the other. Few manage to find the middle ground. I agree with the rest—the longer people are together, the better they know each other, it becomes less stressful, and they simply settle into a life together. Jealousy, pride, and everything else unnecessary in a "normal" relationship disappears. Provided, of course, the partners are compatible. And sulking? Well, I enjoy sulking occasionally—is there anything wrong with that?😁 🤣
Sure, I’ll apologize to all my exes (it’s always a good move). 🙂

What is there to apologize for?

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