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Is love really blind?

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Rebecca Scott3 Rebecca Scott3 Active Member
154 messages
joined Jan 2009
#101 ·
...I won't try to tackle every single point one by one here...
...I guess you could look at it this way... love doesn't really have boundaries... it looks different for everyone. Every couple interprets it and grows through it in their own unique way, much like how their individual perspectives and emotions are all different to begin with...
...Some people might argue that this kind of love is blind... while others will say it isn't...
...But honestly, it could only ever be that way if it’s actually meeting their needs...
...And maybe those needs themselves are what's blind...
...Or perhaps it's our own ego that's blind... but that's just part of being human, isn't it?
...Which would mean we're the ones who are blind...
Rebecca Scott3 Rebecca Scott3 Active Member
154 messages
joined Jan 2009
#102 ·
Sean Cruz said:I remember back in second grade, grasping the concept of set intersections was a total struggle for me. It finally clicked once they explained it using an example where one of the sets was actually empty. Ever since then, math hasn't been an issue. 😁 🤣

I mean, maybe it’s actually more like a union of sets...😉
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#103 ·
Sandra Parker3 said:Ehm, yeah, since we're talking about being blinded by infatuation and bringing up rabbits, 😲hang in there, Drew Morgan, you're dear to me, just make sure yours doesn't end up like this one, though I'd say obsession really crushed him

Wow, you guys have covered a lot of ground here. I don't think love is blind, actually; I agree with you there
you just occasionally squint with one eye, or maybe both
Sure, you're squinting, but you still catch a glimpse through the gaps, and that’s what love is, you know... it's allowing the other person to be themselves, completely unfiltered, because that's exactly who they were when you first fell for them after all those long walks and winding roads (ugh, so dramatic, I could go on but I won't 🙄)

See, that's the difference between infatuation and love... the first one avoids obstacles, while the second one refuses to look past a double standard

Well, since you were all reminiscing about those sweet, infatuated days, it's nice to wake up the next morning and still appreciate that feeling and that person, even if it hasn't turned into a lifelong
choice... it's just a moment in time, and time eventually brings everything together so the pieces fit

Not "fit together,"
but rather "align" (like solving a puzzle, not lying)

Horrible, what even is this?!? I saw that movie ages ago, but I don't remember any rabbit. She killed their rabbit?!? Disgusting... It’s a tired trope—when you want to inflict the ultimate cruelty, you kill someone's pet 😢
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
242 messages
joined Jan 2009
#104 ·
Drew Morgan said:Horrible, what even is this?!? I saw that movie ages ago, but I don't remember any rabbit. She killed their rabbit?!? Disgusting... It’s a tired trope—when you want to inflict the ultimate cruelty, you kill someone's pet 😢

Ha. Honestly? I'd take losing a pet over having some psycho lurking around my kids, trying to get to me through them.🤷

Yeah, it’s a nice feeling to wake up and realize, "Okay, that was great, but I'm done." It’s a bit more awkward when you wake up and realize you just wasted a chunk of your life and several good evenings on something useless. Of course, there's always a chance to claw your way out of your own stupidity—or someone else's sadism—if enough time passes and you finally see things clearly enough to bail. But if you just keep choosing to suffer... well, there's no helping you at that point.

All those grand declarations about love that people think only exist in their own special little bubble... 🤣they don't really hide the sheer misery of someone being thoroughly crushed by their own delusions and someone else's lack of empathy.

Blindness is basically just a glitch between the limbic system and the frontotemporal cortex. You get so caught up in the emotional rush that you fail to see the relationship is broken. People still struggle to distinguish actual love from just being infatuated. And looking at some of the posts here, the word "love" gets used in such a hazy, dreamlike, overly romanticized way. Fine, let them have it... I just feel bad for them.😢
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#105 ·
Unfortunately, I rarely witness anything resembling true love. It usually devolves into something repulsive quite quickly. We’ve all been brainwashed by this myth of romantic love—a myth that fuels a multi-billion dollar industry, much like how Soprano talks to his degenerate son.
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#106 ·
Drew Morgan said:Unfortunately, I rarely witness anything resembling true love. It usually devolves into something repulsive quite quickly. We’ve all been brainwashed by this myth of romantic love—a myth that fuels a multi-billion dollar industry, much like how Soprano talks to his degenerate son.

it was all a dream, a whirlwind, a storm passing through...

But honestly, those are still masterpieces compared to the nonsense our mothers, friends, glossy magazines, social media, the local clique, and poorly written romance novels feed us to create these completely warped expectations of how love should actually work...

We spend our lives learning about Picasso, Gothic cathedrals, corporate management, nanotechnology, quasars, or the latest breakthrough in cancer treatment or antidepressants, but we never actually learn anything about love.🤷😢
Matthew Hayes14 Matthew Hayes14 Member
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joined Mar 2009
#107 ·
This is why forums exist, and why old friends matter..
They push us to occasionally look past the rose-colored glasses..
image (I couldn't help myself)

Though, Maher, literature should theoretically teach us something about love..
Even though I remember my teachers being hit or miss, mine was actually great..
Maybe because I was such a bookworm growing up,
I found plenty of answers to my questions right here on this forum
— within books. My constant refrain is: "Go read..."
"...it captures the experience perfectly."
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Happy first day of fall to everyone
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Matthew Hayes14 Matthew Hayes14 Member
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joined Mar 2009
#108 ·
It reminds me of the opening lines of Anna Karenina.
"All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."

I think it works similarly here:
Unhappy loves are loud and obvious to everyone, while happy ones are quiet and barely noticed.

I see happy love all around me.
But I notice people protect it like a skittish bird,
fearing it might fly away.
They nurture it, handle it with care, but try not to smother it.
image

Perhaps those living in happy relationships simply don't have the time to write about it.😉
Maybe it's better to just watch quietly.
A film... A Japanese person could probably make a movie about this (maybe Yasujirō Ozu?),
since there isn't much money to be made from it.
Too much effort required for careful observation. 🤷 ha ha ha
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
52 messages
joined Aug 2009
#109 ·
Kenneth Peterson5 said:Look, you can't go mixing up being "in love" with actual love—that’s a huge mistake. Being in love? That's just a massive hormonal glitch in your brain. Real love is more like this steady, balanced state where we somehow choose to see way less than what's right in front of us, even though our eyes are wide open.
That’s why everyone says love is blind.

🤣 thanks, little petrel (you know, that bird that skims right above the water)

Love is a "balanced state"... can we get some actual substance here?

And a hormonal glitch? I mean, are the vocal cords really to blame when a war breaks out?

But seriously, where did you end up landing with this one? Infatuation is just another flavor of love—there isn't some magical divide between them.

Plus, you've got it backward again—love is blind to those watching from the outside, but on the inside, it's beautiful.
The real question is just who's actually worthy of love.
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#110 ·
Thanks, truly. May we all just soak up this late summer sun... for as long as it lasts.

That’s exactly why I brought up those classic literary masterpieces; they inhabit a space entirely different from our daily reality. Unfortunately, most of them seem to revolve strictly around romance, which is really just one thread woven into the larger tapestry of the book.

I find myself drifting back to books I finished ages ago, and every single time, I stumble upon something fresh... or at least a reminder of what I missed. It feels like reading a brand-new story.

In our culture, love is placed on this untouchable pedestal, yet so few people actually grasp its true essence. It’s just another pillar of social rigidity—much like the sanctity of motherhood, religious dogma, racial politics, or these stubborn prejudices regarding morality and pride. We're fed these ideas from the moment we can walk, and then we carry them around stubbornly and irrationally for decades, never bothering to question if they’re even true once we've grown up.

I remember listening to this guy once who was practically bragging about his "principles," even while everything around him was falling apart. As long as he stayed "principled," right? God forbid... I suppose someone's supposed to give him a standing ovation for that.🤣

Are principles actually more important than the goals themselves?

Take the rule that you shouldn't kill people, for example. Obviously, because otherwise, the entire human race would have wiped itself out, much like how Homo sapiens did to the Neanderthals. But honestly, if someone laid a hand on my child, I’d probably tear them apart with my bare hands... assuming, of course, I wasn't opting for a more legal route.
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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joined Aug 2009
#111 ·
cosmictinker21 said:Ha. Honestly? I'd take losing a pet over having some psycho lurking around my kids, trying to get to me through them.🤷

Yeah, it’s a nice feeling to wake up and realize, "Okay, that was great, but I'm done." It’s a bit more awkward when you wake up and realize you just wasted a chunk of your life and several good evenings on something useless. Of course, there's always a chance to claw your way out of your own stupidity—or someone else's sadism—if enough time passes and you finally see things clearly enough to bail. But if you just keep choosing to suffer... well, there's no helping you at that point.

All those grand declarations about love that people think only exist in their own special little bubble... 🤣they don't really hide the sheer misery of someone being thoroughly crushed by their own delusions and someone else's lack of empathy.

Blindness is basically just a glitch between the limbic system and the frontotemporal cortex. You get so caught up in the emotional rush that you fail to see the relationship is broken. People still struggle to distinguish actual love from just being infatuated. And looking at some of the posts here, the word "love" gets used in such a hazy, dreamlike, overly romanticized way. Fine, let them have it... I just feel bad for them.😢

I've got a feeling you're being a bit too optimistic with all that "expertise" of yours.
The bold text there basically screams... well, it sounds like someone talking about things they've read in a book rather than things they've actually lived through.
Besides, infatuation *is* love—it's wild how even "professionals" seem to trip over that distinction.

I'm sure you think you know how to navigate these seas of emotion without letting your feelings cloud your judgment... but hey, I can't help but wonder what happens when fractal memory kicks in.
Maybe if you got more sleep, you'd start having dreams too 😉 and eventually, everyone gets what's coming to them. 🙂
Time tells all, I guess..
Sean Cruz Sean Cruz Regular
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#112 ·
Sandra Parker3 said:Ehm, yeah, since we're talking about being blinded by infatuation and bringing up rabbits, 😲hang in there, Drew Morgan, you're dear to me, just make sure yours doesn't end up like this one, though I'd say obsession really crushed him

Wow, you guys have covered a lot of ground here. I don't think love is blind, actually; I agree with you there
you just occasionally squint with one eye, or maybe both
Sure, you're squinting, but you still catch a glimpse through the gaps, and that’s what love is, you know... it's allowing the other person to be themselves, completely unfiltered, because that's exactly who they were when you first fell for them after all those long walks and winding roads (ugh, so dramatic, I could go on but I won't 🙄)

See, that's the difference between infatuation and love... the first one avoids obstacles, while the second one refuses to look past a double standard

Well, since you were all reminiscing about those sweet, infatuated days, it's nice to wake up the next morning and still appreciate that feeling and that person, even if it hasn't turned into a lifelong
choice... it's just a moment in time, and time eventually brings everything together so the pieces fit

Not "fit together,"
but rather "align" (like solving a puzzle, not lying)

😁
That old saying holds true: You are who you associate with. I actually held back from mentioning roasted rabbits just so I wouldn't upset Vess. image

lonegardener said:That sounds a bit odd... could this be some kind of metaphor? 😲

What seems odd to you? Is it that I missed the intersection, or that I don't struggle with math? 🤣
It's a metaphor, obviously. 😉
Rebecca Scott3 said:I mean, maybe it’s actually more like a union of sets...😉

They say the first ten years are the hardest 😁 while you're struggling to find an intersection, completely unaware that you actually have a union. Some realize it early, some late, and some never at all. 😛🙂
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
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#113 ·
Drew Morgan said:Quote:

Jerry Martinez5 says:

Since you're a moderator, I can't issue a strike. Please go back and actually read the rules.

silentpilot6 is a moderator?!?! 😲😲😲
The guy spends his entire existence looking for ways to suck up to the elite!

And you have seemingly dedicated yours to attacking me whenever the opportunity arises.😵

I am not undermining anyone; I am simply expressing my bewilderment at their actions...
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#114 ·
Drew Morgan said:Horrible, what even is this?!? I saw that movie ages ago, but I don't remember any rabbit. She killed their rabbit?!? Disgusting... It’s a tired trope—when you want to inflict the ultimate cruelty, you kill someone's pet 😢

Nee, she shows him herself 😍 ...that's just how love works, I guess. This whole "Fatal Attraction" thing isn't even about her; that poor little rabbit was just an unavoidable warning sign.
Blonde women with blue eyes are just dangerous like that.

You really have to listen to your gut. You know everything already, you just need someone to say it out loud—though maybe not when it's super obvious (which is why people watching from the sidelines get so confused, usually).
Then again, there are definitely psychological issues triggered by childhood trauma.
Sometimes they spiral into full-on manic episodes, but I guess that's more for the "experts" to weigh in on. 🙄
silentpilot6 silentpilot6 RegularOP
295 messages
joined Sep 2004
#115 ·
cosmictinker21 said:Thanks, truly. May we all just soak up this late summer sun... for as long as it lasts.

That’s exactly why I brought up those classic literary masterpieces; they inhabit a space entirely different from our daily reality. Unfortunately, most of them seem to revolve strictly around romance, which is really just one thread woven into the larger tapestry of the book.

I find myself drifting back to books I finished ages ago, and every single time, I stumble upon something fresh... or at least a reminder of what I missed. It feels like reading a brand-new story.

In our culture, love is placed on this untouchable pedestal, yet so few people actually grasp its true essence. It’s just another pillar of social rigidity—much like the sanctity of motherhood, religious dogma, racial politics, or these stubborn prejudices regarding morality and pride. We're fed these ideas from the moment we can walk, and then we carry them around stubbornly and irrationally for decades, never bothering to question if they’re even true once we've grown up.

I remember listening to this guy once who was practically bragging about his "principles," even while everything around him was falling apart. As long as he stayed "principled," right? God forbid... I suppose someone's supposed to give him a standing ovation for that.🤣

Are principles actually more important than the goals themselves?

Take the rule that you shouldn't kill people, for example. Obviously, because otherwise, the entire human race would have wiped itself out, much like how Homo sapiens did to the Neanderthals. But honestly, if someone laid a hand on my child, I’d probably tear them apart with my bare hands... assuming, of course, I wasn't opting for a more legal route.

By the way—there is no evidence that we are, in any capacity, 😁 responsible for the extinction of the Neanderthals.
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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joined Jan 2009
#116 ·
silentpilot6 said:By the way—there is no evidence that we are, in any capacity, 😁 responsible for the extinction of the Neanderthals.

Yeah, sure, they just succumbed to natural selection, apparently. Once the glaciers started retreating, they were stuck with way too much body hair and those oversized nasal passages... plus, I guess the mammoths ran out. It's all still being researched, you're right on that one.👍
Steven Morris12 Steven Morris12 Member
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joined Jan 2021
#117 ·
German Miriam B. (32) just went and married this 41-year-old ex-cop, Andreas B., who’s currently sitting in a cell because he’s suspected of brutally torturing and killing her own four-year-old daughter two years ago.

Seriously, how can anyone be this blind!!??? 😲😲
Sean Cruz Sean Cruz Regular
265 messages
joined Apr 2008
#118 ·
Drew Morgan said:Horrible, what even is this?!? I saw that movie ages ago, but I don't remember any rabbit. She killed their rabbit?!? Disgusting... It’s a tired trope—when you want to inflict the ultimate cruelty, you kill someone's pet 😢

I suspect Colour wasn't actually talking about the rabbit; I think they were using it as a metaphor for targeting children. 😉
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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joined Jan 2009
#119 ·
Sean Cruz said:I suspect Colour wasn't actually talking about the rabbit; I think they were using it as a metaphor for targeting children. 😉

Well, obviously there’s a difference between a rabbit and children... you don't really need to hint at that. But the point is that malice and selfishness don't care about methods, means, or targets when it comes to revenge. That’s exactly what we're looking at here—it isn't about love, it's just blind infatuation. Infatuation is just a distorted way of seeing reality. It's choosing whatever fits your own little narrative of how love is supposed to work.

The woman simply couldn't bridge the gap between her emotions and the actual situation. A grounded, realistic person would have objectively accepted the fact that he didn't need her as a lover anymore and just exited his life. But no, she wasn't interested in doing what was best for him (which is the essence of love)... she just wanted to vent her internal frustrations as a rejected woman by dreaming up, planning, and executing something malicious. She wanted to hurt him through others...
lonegardener lonegardener Regular
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joined Apr 2010
#120 ·
Sean Cruz said:😁
That old saying holds true: You are who you associate with. I actually held back from mentioning roasted rabbits just so I wouldn't upset Vess. image

What seems odd to you? Is it that I missed the intersection, or that I don't struggle with math? 🤣
It's a metaphor, obviously. 😉

They say the first ten years are the hardest 😁 while you're struggling to find an intersection, completely unaware that you actually have a union. Some realize it early, some late, and some never at all. 😛🙂

The strange part is that you only really grasped the intersection through the example of an empty set. Otherwise, the whole concept of a set intersection seems incredibly intuitive and easy to wrap your head around to me.

As for the metaphor... hmm. I think I took it the wrong way. Maybe I’m just naturally prone to pessimism, or maybe I’m just being a realist? 😍

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