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Death is the new god.

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redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
.. and that’s where the philosophy ends.

.. they say we call it power—and sometimes, just "strength"—because when that strength reaches a certain threshold, it becomes absolute. And once you can do everything that is physically possible, you essentially become a god.

.. history recognizes only three great forces... and death is the fourth.

.. It's interesting, really—this isn't new knowledge; it’s primal. It belongs to the realm of instinct.
.. and those instincts? Most people know them best as... the Four Horsemen.
Scott Wright92 Scott Wright92 Member
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#2 ·
.. all-powerful .. omnipresent .. and since everything goes wrong on this side of the tracks .. omnibenevolent ..

(.. there’s this episode of Star Trek .. the planet of love .. full of these little robots .. programmed to .. because of this intense love .. wipe out suffering ..
.. and the robots .. specifically the main ones .. they realize the root cause of suffering is actually life itself ..
.. so .. driven by this programming to spread love by removing pain .. they start stripping life away from everything living ..

.. sci-fi stuff .. damn .. I read that when I was just a kid ..
.. hell .. maybe my parents should have kept a closer eye on what I was reading ..

.. did I go off on a tangent here ..?
Ronald Rogers27 Ronald Rogers27 Active Member
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#3 ·
Death is just what happens to Consciousness naturally once you pass through the Great Wall...

We’re built to deny our own existence, drifting from that first burst of Light back toward the inevitable darkness we originally emerged from. Our fate was written eons ago, millions of years before us, in the very records of the beginning of the Universe...

I truly believe fate continues through reincarnation, etched into the many dimensions where the Cosmos itself bends... right?

Human life is designed with an expiration date; it all depends on the specific context we find ourselves in.

Only God is eternal—assuming eternity can even be measured against the boundaries of a Cosmos defined by Chaos theory.

Ronald Rogers27
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#4 ·
.. just as blood sustains the body, money sustains this world..

.. money is the god of our era .. its movement mimics the veins in a living organism .. through the heart .. filtering through the kidneys .. charging up through the lungs like pure energy..
.. the master of freedom .. of kindness .. of love..
.. money is the raw power behind empires .. organized crime .. and every single individual..

.. at first glance, money seems like a great organizer .. a life-giver .. almost like a guiding spirit .. something that can breathe life back into the dead..

.. money represents value..
.. it means reputation .. access to doctors .. the ability to reach out for love..

.. but .. that very same money .. that same circulatory system .. is starting to look more and more like sewage flowing through a drain .. varying in thickness .. varying in color .. yet all shades of gray .. and various smells .. but they all stink..
.. the way it’s being used has reached a point where it demands a massive overhaul .. and a massive overhaul .. simply isn't possible..

.. I suspect salvation might lie in something much older .. perhaps in controlled bloodletting .. for medical reasons..

.. this new god isn't your neighbor's god .. it isn't the god of bureaucrats .. or .. more simply put .. that god isn't yours..
Scott Wright92 Scott Wright92 Member
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#5 ·
How exactly does having cash equate to access to love?
I've got a few theories spinning around in my head... but I'd rather hear your take. If you find a moment where you feel like answering, give me an example.
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#6 ·
.. death is an individual's god..

.. if you want to clear things up with someone.. you step into a conversation.. and it always feels the same.. by the time you're shaking hands, you've already messed it up..
.. and the result is.. insulting the forum members..
.. so now the forum takes it upon itself to defend Enki on my behalf.. and I suppose that's just.. the social contract..
.. but.. what am I actually gaining from this?
.. if I'm hoping to learn something from someone.. then fine, I can take the hit..
.. but if I believe the world is merely an illusion—a facade built on a single lie—then any fear that binds me to that illusion or that lie.. might actually be useful. As long as I accept the bond.. I'll take it at any cost.. because I accept the world at any cost..

.. for me to endure any neighborhood or community.. always and in advance.. there can only be one reason.. a certain kind of fear that I simply cannot bring before myself..
.. a fear that I cannot bring.. before my own judgment..

.. and there isn't a soul who can help me with that..
.. if the world is truly what I think it is.. if I cannot call that world into question.. then I have to embrace my fear..

.. otherwise.. I'm just courting my own death..
Scott Wright92 Scott Wright92 Member
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#7 ·
.. It doesn't seem right that you got flagged for an insult when nobody actually felt insulted..

(.. that’s an interesting point..
.. anyway.. if this was because of that one post where you claimed that using "esteemed" is just a mask for being disrespectful..
.. then it wasn't just treated as an insult, it was taken as a suggestion.. I mean, look at how some people at a big firm like JPMorgan get canned just for being overly formal in an email..
)
Scott Wright92 Scott Wright92 Member
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#8 ·
".. if I’m going to put up with any kind of neighborhood drama... that's just how it works... there can only be one reason for it... a fear of someone I can't bring face-to-face...
.. a fear of someone I can't drag before my own court..."

.. let me say it again... I like it..
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#9 ·
redtinker36 said:.. death is an individual's god..

.. if you want to clear things up with someone.. you step into a conversation.. and it always feels the same.. by the time you're shaking hands, you've already messed it up..
.. and the result is.. insulting the forum members..
.. so now the forum takes it upon itself to defend Enki on my behalf.. and I suppose that's just.. the social contract..
.. but.. what am I actually gaining from this?
.. if I'm hoping to learn something from someone.. then fine, I can take the hit..
.. but if I believe the world is merely an illusion—a facade built on a single lie—then any fear that binds me to that illusion or that lie.. might actually be useful. As long as I accept the bond.. I'll take it at any cost.. because I accept the world at any cost..

.. for me to endure any neighborhood or community.. always and in advance.. there can only be one reason.. a certain kind of fear that I simply cannot bring before myself..
.. a fear that I cannot bring.. before my own judgment..

.. and there isn't a soul who can help me with that..
.. if the world is truly what I think it is.. if I cannot call that world into question.. then I have to embrace my fear..

.. otherwise.. I'm just courting my own death..

someone said a long time ago that when death arrives, you're just gone .. so there's no point being afraid of it; whatever is here is just whoever controls themselves—not others. and yeah, power isn't a god; it fears people, especially when they stand together

@ Scott Wright92 🙂 (you'll get those points from alim, and there are plenty to go around)

there's musky here on the forum too
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#10 ·
says Khalil Gibran:

"Thought is a bird of the open sky—it can stretch its wings within the cage of words, but it can't actually take flight."

Though, I don't know... maybe it’s really about the heart all along. .................................................. .................................................. .................................
Scott Wright92 Scott Wright92 Member
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#11 ·
redtinker36 said:.. death is an individual's god..

.. if you want to clear things up with someone.. you step into a conversation.. and it always feels the same.. by the time you're shaking hands, you've already messed it up..
.. and the result is.. insulting the forum members..
.. so now the forum takes it upon itself to defend Enki on my behalf.. and I suppose that's just.. the social contract..
.. but.. what am I actually gaining from this?
.. if I'm hoping to learn something from someone.. then fine, I can take the hit..
.. but if I believe the world is merely an illusion—a facade built on a single lie—then any fear that binds me to that illusion or that lie.. might actually be useful. As long as I accept the bond.. I'll take it at any cost.. because I accept the world at any cost..

.. for me to endure any neighborhood or community.. always and in advance.. there can only be one reason.. a certain kind of fear that I simply cannot bring before myself..
.. a fear that I cannot bring.. before my own judgment..

.. and there isn't a soul who can help me with that..
.. if the world is truly what I think it is.. if I cannot call that world into question.. then I have to embrace my fear..

.. otherwise.. I'm just courting my own death..

.. just one thing .. though ..
(.. hope you don't mind me jumping in .. am I breaking your flow ..?)
.. your situation with Enki is actually a perfect example ..
.. the system doesn't care about protecting Enki from you .. or you from Enki ..
.. the system just grabs you both by the collar and shoves you back into the mold ..
.. the system only protects itself ..
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#12 ·
.. knowledge can have various .. depths .. or perhaps we should say .. heights ..
.. intellect and intuition represent knowledge at various levels .. though it might be more accurate to say .. various widths ..
.. the intellect maps out a path .. from sign to sign .. from junction to junction .. while intuition remembers everything .. all those tiny details .. so with the intellect, we travel along a line .. but with intuition, we experience the world .. the surface ..

.. a thinking human is a remarkably broad being .. their brain deconstructs everything .. they are the god of wealth and prosperity ..
.. such a person isn't unique because of their goals .. they are simply defending themselves .. just like any other person or animal .. what makes them distinct is how they go about it .. and the core of that method is that one must hide their intentions from others if they want to remain effective ..
.. in doing so, a person creates a persona of lies .. which becomes their greatest weapon .. but also their curse ..

.. the second type of person .. the servant of a different god .. is known as the man of the sword ..
.. he is another rider of the apocalypse .. his strength is that of a commander .. but acting in the first person .. like a Mexican warlord .. or a Greek hero .. or Caesar ..
.. yet the essence of this second god is speech .. negotiation .. it refers to the era when people gathered around leaders .. rather than clustering around a singular divine entity .. as they did in ancient Egypt ..
.. that was where philosophy was born .. where the gods were definitively separated from humanity ..
.. the Romans were also known for .. their pacts to assassinate someone .. but the true essence of that era was the forum .. people gathering around an idea they could accept ..

.. then there is the first god .. the primal force .. the strength of a rider holding a bow in his hands ..
.. he grips the horse with his legs .. using his inner thighs .. leaving his entire upper body free for riding .. his hands are occupied with other things .. keeping him unencumbered from the top down ..
.. he became the master of the land .. the master of plants and animals alike ..

.. and death is the rider .. the final one .. and he carries only one attribute .. single, but significant .. and that god is .. death ..

.. the Christian cross represents these four symbols ..
.. the horizontal beam signifies the arms .. seen in the sword and the scales .. and it represents man among men .. the vertical beam .. the lower part belongs to the first god .. while the upper part belongs to death ..
.. that segment is shorter .. death isn't time itself .. it’s only half of time ..
.. the man of death isn't truly a man .. he is .. let's say .. a dying neighbor .. or .. according to the Bible .. the son of man .. the one who can be born from a human ..
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#13 ·
.. deception is the key to timing..

.. there’s a person here.. right in front of you.. and this is how it goes..
.. you assume the person standing before you is being honest.. and that's where you messed up..
.. you assume they actually care about the truth.. and that's where you messed up..
.. you assume the one speaking knows exactly what the person standing there wants.. and that's where you messed up..

.. so what kind of.. useful insight can we even pull from this.. here in front of us..
.. maybe there is some.. because.. there is someone.. right here.. who lies.. and they lie quite logically..
.. because that person.. standing before you.. follows a code.. and they follow it blindly.. that code is simple survival..
.. and they don't have a single thought that isn't tethered to it..
. true freedom only comes through fate.. only if one accepts self-destruction as their own personal law..
Scott Wright92 Scott Wright92 Member
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#14 ·
.. can you actually categorize different types of self-destruction..?

(.. I mean, look at this as a question about how it works..)
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#15 ·
.. so.. every person's story is really just a reflection of who they are—someone who first needs, and absolutely must, find someone to talk to..
.. and that’s what dialogue actually is..
.. it’s where perspectives and truths are weighed—agreements and compromises are made..
.. given how we relate to one another—and the fact that we want to present ourselves as beings capable of constant growth—regardless of where we are on the road—every individual truth is relative. Each one is just waiting for the next version to surpass it..

.. you could call the opposite religion—where truths are handed down pre-packaged..

.. but.. many people hold onto certain truths knowing full well they're lies.. they just keep them around because, in this complicated world, they can be useful..

.. the situation here is that the subconscious knows the "superconsciousness" of the neighborhood—and practically protects the individual from any actual reason.. or more accurately.. it manipulates reason by using emotions—those true drivers of what we call the "self"..

.. the circle is pretty much broken and closed..
.. there was once a guy—one of those types.. who said these people are nothing more than microbes of total decomposition; they understand analysis perfectly fine, but they haven't the slightest clue what synthesis actually is..

.. the issue with lies is this.. logically speaking, you take a whole, break it apart, take the elements, and then try to project them back onto the whole..

.. from a magical perspective.. a world of lies is a world of unevenly mixed dimensions..

.. from a neighborly perspective.. a world of lies is just one life—one single existence—trying to sustain itself..
.. but the development of that world inevitably leads to its own destruction..

.. we'll need some examples and a look at how people actually use them..
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#16 ·
.. damn .. everything I’ve ever said feels much more coherent than what I’m saying now .. though even here, I can find .. some decent traces of order ..

.. whereas others let themselves be dragged away by some dead-end rabbit hole .. or one that leads them precisely where there isn't any ring to be found .. right now, it isn't present .. you only have the reference within yourself ..
.. yet, you still manage to trap your own mind .. in one specific area ..
.. still, my situation is better .. because I am pulling myself toward my weakest points .. while others just drag me along aimlessly .. following the unwritten rules of the neighborhood ..
.. essentially .. there's this assumption being born that I know more than the entire block combined .. and since that sounds a bit boastful .. I'll correct it early on .. me .. and God .. are stronger than the local tough guy ..

.. anyway, back to death ..

.. it all revolves around this ..
.. the individual .. their struggle to hold on .. the sheer will to exist .. in the real world .. and the real world is split into .. the public sphere .. and .. the background ..

.. at a certain point, that .. poor soul .. realizes one thing .. that nothing is in their hands .. that regardless of how they behave .. nothing guarantees them .. survival, legally speaking .. that they have no rights at all ..
.. that is the moment right before suicide ..
.. it is the moment .. of discovery .. of death .. or perhaps the moment .. when friendship .. or love .. is established .. with death .. assuming you haven't lost your mind in the previous moment ..
.. but the person who possesses enough strength to stand .. in that .. place .. with that feeling .. with that knowledge .. long enough .. on the knife's edge .. on the brink .. they will be gifted various things ..

.. at first, they might think those are gifts from a dying neighborhood .. a gift simply called freedom ..
.. but those with enough strength .. will realize .. that these gifts are .. terrifyingly significant ..

.. death brings only one nasty problem ..
.. it kills ..
.. it seems impossible that anyone could .. actually reach it .. and then move past it ..
.. it is perfectly clear that people will be able to do it .. but the real kicker .. the real shitty question .. is this .. can I? ..
(.. and then there is the matter of the drug high ..)
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#17 ·

God was never about raw power!!
He was a spirit—the spirit of the people!!
Without the people, there is no God!
Now they’re trying to turn Him into some personal thing, thanks to Christianity!
And because of that same movement, some folks want to be the ONLY ones!
But nature fights back against that, and it creates chaos!
Chaos isn't a bad thing, unless you're too stuck to build something new!
Those types see nothing ahead of them but ruin and death!!!
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#18 ·
.. I have to say this again.. what’s the core of my argument here?

.. It’s based on the idea that a person isn't truly alive.. they just exist..

.. It’s based on the fact that there’s a social world—a consensus among people..
.. And the fact that behind that world lies another one—a world of lies—peering out from everyone.. This isn't just some conspiracy theory..

.. Once a person.. realizes their actual place.. they see that.. if everything goes according to plan.. they're screwed..
.. That's why they perform miracles—trying to patch up their true standing with any illusion they can find.. They call love God.. but individuality remains a distant dream, because they are nobody and nothing..

.. The only real way out is.. to stop fighting.. and consistent surrender means death..

.. Let me try once more.. more concisely..

1 .. The neighborhood surrounding you is predatory.. and you are merely prey to it..

2 .. If you engage in a fight with that neighborhood.. you've done exactly what the enemy wants..

3 .. But there is a chance for victory.. and that chance lies in refusing to fight..

.. One more time..

1 .. A person isn't alive.. they simply exist..
2 .. Up until now, they lived within the neighborhood..
3 .. That was until now..

(.. I wrote that down quite well.. it’s a system of teamwork—you repeat it.. constantly repeat it.. that’s how you build a scheme.. something piercing.. something clear.. and that’s where people fall apart.. I know.. I've been there..
.. I don't know.. personally, I think this is ugly enough that there's no reason to delete it.. so whatever.. this is just for me, and I really like it.. )
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#19 ·

Man, you don't even know what you're talking about!
And even if you did, it wouldn't matter.
Just a bunch of small-minded people who never change
and never even think about changing!!!

Either ideas come to them naturally
or they just make stuff up and dream!!!

History exists, along with all its chaos!
If you get it, you're riding the wave
if you don't, you're just lagging behind!
bluemaker52 bluemaker52 Member
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#20 ·
redtinker36 said:.. I have to say this again.. what’s the core of my argument here?

.. It’s based on the idea that a person isn't truly alive.. they just exist..

.. It’s based on the fact that there’s a social world—a consensus among people..
.. And the fact that behind that world lies another one—a world of lies—peering out from everyone.. This isn't just some conspiracy theory..

.. Once a person.. realizes their actual place.. they see that.. if everything goes according to plan.. they're screwed..
.. That's why they perform miracles—trying to patch up their true standing with any illusion they can find.. They call love God.. but individuality remains a distant dream, because they are nobody and nothing..

.. The only real way out is.. to stop fighting.. and consistent surrender means death..

.. Let me try once more.. more concisely..

1 .. The neighborhood surrounding you is predatory.. and you are merely prey to it..

2 .. If you engage in a fight with that neighborhood.. you've done exactly what the enemy wants..

3 .. But there is a chance for victory.. and that chance lies in refusing to fight..

.. One more time..

1 .. A person isn't alive.. they simply exist..
2 .. Up until now, they lived within the neighborhood..
3 .. That was until now..

(.. I wrote that down quite well.. it’s a system of teamwork—you repeat it.. constantly repeat it.. that’s how you build a scheme.. something piercing.. something clear.. and that’s where people fall apart.. I know.. I've been there..
.. I don't know.. personally, I think this is ugly enough that there's no reason to delete it.. so whatever.. this is just for me, and I really like it.. )

You might have lost a few points here, but my little anarchist cookbook knows how to handle things like this:

1. true, but there's also too much "Matrix" influence at play; we often exist merely as cogs in a machine, essentially denying our own true existence

2. always employ a strategy of engagement that catches your adversary completely off guard

3. which matters more: the struggle itself or the ultimate win? After all, does winning actually enlighten anyone else? Even when you emerge victorious against all odds, does it truly open eyes?

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