If you could come back to life, would you?

Michael Moore3 said:I suspect most of you fail to realize that you’re actually answering the question of whether you’d return on a daily basis, which is precisely why you find yourselves here. It strikes me, much like what Dragan mentioned, that this has been your default mode for a lifetime...

What I was really trying to nudge you toward is this: are you even aware that your answer to that remains stubbornly, relentlessly positive?

ironharbor8 Asks:
I wonder what gives you the sheer audacity to be so certain that you've already attained Kaivalya liberation—let alone ascended to Brahmaloka as your next plane of existence—and therefore feel entitled to bypass the cycle of rebirth entirely?

ambertinker2 said:So what's the deal with the people claiming they wouldn't return to Earth? If that's the case, why are they even hanging out in this thread? It makes zero sense—if they didn't want to be here in the first place, why would they keep showing up cycle after cycle? 😕

Michael Moore3 said:

ironharbor8 Asks:
I wonder what gives you the sheer audacity to be so certain that you've already attained Kaivalya liberation—let alone ascended to Brahmaloka as your next plane of existence—and therefore feel entitled to bypass the cycle of rebirth entirely?

How exactly did you conclude that I’m convinced I’ve actually achieved what you're talking about? I don't recall ever claiming to have reached that point, much as you seem to think I have—though, if I could ask a small favor, perhaps we could try using terms that are a bit more intuitive to an American ear.

Maybe we should add a parameter for that internal disconnect—the way people harbor thoughts they aren't even aware they're keeping from themselves. It’s one of those grand delusions where we assume everyone possesses enough self-awareness to actually know their own mind, when in reality, most people are just remarkably dishonest with themselves.

Michael Moore3 said:

ironharbor8 Asks:
I wonder what gives you the sheer audacity to be so certain that you've already attained Kaivalya liberation—let alone ascended to Brahmaloka as your next plane of existence—and therefore feel entitled to bypass the cycle of rebirth entirely?

How exactly did you conclude that I’m convinced I’ve actually achieved what you're talking about? I don't recall ever claiming to have reached that point, much as you seem to think I have—though, if I could ask a small favor, perhaps we could try using terms that are a bit more intuitive to an American ear.

Maybe we should add a parameter for that internal disconnect—the way people harbor thoughts they aren't even aware they're keeping from themselves. It’s one of those grand delusions where we assume everyone possesses enough self-awareness to actually know their own mind, when in reality, most people are just remarkably dishonest with themselves.

ironharbor8 said:Read from the following:

The way you write suggests you’ve somehow ascended above the rest of us. You position yourself as an outlier. That is how your prose comes across. Furthermore, you attempt to lecture from a position of authority. One can only truly claim expertise once they have stepped entirely outside this endless cycle of birth and death. Otherwise, what you’re offering is merely borrowed information, devoid of actual experience. I shouldn't have to spell that out.

When it comes to linguistics and terminology, the concept of rebirth originates from the East rather than Western thought. I assumed you were actually well-versed in the subject matter you're writing about; if you truly understand the concept, then surely you're familiar with the terminology as well.

ironharbor8 said:Read from the following:

The way you write suggests you’ve somehow ascended above the rest of us. You position yourself as an outlier. That is how your prose comes across. Furthermore, you attempt to lecture from a position of authority. One can only truly claim expertise once they have stepped entirely outside this endless cycle of birth and death. Otherwise, what you’re offering is merely borrowed information, devoid of actual experience. I shouldn't have to spell that out.

When it comes to linguistics and terminology, the concept of rebirth originates from the East rather than Western thought. I assumed you were actually well-versed in the subject matter you're writing about; if you truly understand the concept, then surely you're familiar with the terminology as well.

Sandra Morgan2 said:

No, Michael Moore3, I wouldn't go back...

I’d thank God and just dissolve into Him—or maybe ascend to some higher plane altogether. You know, get some wings, grab a harp, all that stuff...

What kind of place is this, really? Look, I get it. Having a cold beer, a plate full of great food, someone warm to hold, jumping into a pool to splash around like you said... it sounds lovely. But let's be real: it’s hard to actually enjoy any of it. You can't drink too much because then you're sick—instead of feeling good, you're vomiting and your body feels toxic. You can't eat too much because the stomach is just one tiny little pouch; it can't handle everything your eyes want to see, and besides, you'll just end up overweight, unattractive, and unhealthy.

And travel? If traveling is your joy, you're stuck. You have to work so much just to fund it. Even people doing what they love spend an absurd amount of time working just to maintain a decent standard of living, or even just to exist...

You can't party too hard because you won't be able to function the next day. And sex? What about that? You can't overdo it there either—the average orgasm lasts maybe ten seconds...

And then what? In a few decades, your body will be old and worn out. You'll be popping antacids just to digest a meal, dragging old bones around the house, seeing the spark fade, and hearing your grandkids say, "Come on, Grandpa, move out of the way!" You'll just be waiting for game over, bothering everyone with stories about your wild youth. Then you leave, and your new persona pops up in this world again—back to diapers, starting from scratch, boring school, college, hunting for a job, finding a partner, reproducing, working and working just to sustain it all, with the occasional dip in a pool to make it feel worth it...

Hello, Michael Moore3... what's wrong with the picture?

Look, I'm not a depressive by nature. Honestly, life is beautiful—the bunnies, the streams, the sky, the ocean, traveling, dancing, eating, and hooking up... the challenges and all that. It's sweet. Life on Earth has its charms, and like little ants, we adapt to everything. But at the same time, it's all just a meaningless hamster wheel where there's more suffering than joy. And that's why
I'm choosing the one-way ticket. No return trip for me.
Thanks...

Michael Moore3 said:I suspect most of you fail to realize that you’re actually answering the question of whether you’d return on a daily basis, which is precisely why you find yourselves here. It strikes me, much like what Dragan mentioned, that this has been your default mode for a lifetime...

What I was really trying to nudge you toward is this: are you even aware that your answer to that remains stubbornly, relentlessly positive?

gentletiger20 said:Honestly, I don't think I could ever go for it... I mean, why would anyone trade being whole for some kind of half-baked, broken version of existence?

gentletiger20 said:btw, that's not even really true. Nobody's asking us to move back because we haven't actually gone anywhere... and we aren't leaving because people just hate change. They're terrified of it. And let's be real, this is probably the biggest shake-up anyone could ever imagine.

gentletiger20 said:btw, that's not even really true. Nobody's asking us to move back because we haven't actually gone anywhere... and we aren't leaving because people just hate change. They're terrified of it. And let's be real, this is probably the biggest shake-up anyone could ever imagine.

rapidrider3 said:There isn't even much to debate here, right? Accept it or not, if someone spent their life doing terrible things, why would they expect to just waltz away from all that wreckage now? You can fight it all you want, but God is going to bring you right back around to fix it—to make sure you actually learn that's not how you live.

If you aren't looking for an out, then just don't go around causing chaos in the first place. Then you won't have anything to fear.😁

gentletiger20 said:@rapidrider3
I guess it all depends on how you view life and whatever comes next... personally, I’m not really buying into that whole "good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell" thing. And honestly, I don't think someone doing shady stuff is necessarily having the time of their lives just because they think there won't be any consequences later...

@Michael Moore3
How is that even contradictory?
Look, we aren't dead yet, so we can't exactly decide whether or not to come back to this life—there's no vote on returning. Death and rebirth are basically the biggest shifts a human being ever goes through. People just freak out when things change on that scale...

gentletiger20 said:I can even make the comparison because I’m coming at this from the exact same angle—just looking at life where people are terrified of dying, yet they can't exactly "return to life" since they're already stuck in it... if that makes sense. That's really all there is to it. They eventually just make a quiet, unspoken decision to avoid death altogether, but you can be damn sure nobody's making a comeback from the grave back into the living...

gentletiger20 said:By the way, that isn't quite right; nobody is asking us to return because we haven't actually gone anywhere.

gentletiger20 said:We don't leave because people dread change; they fear it, and there's no greater shift than the one you're describing.

Sandra Morgan2 said:

No, Michael Moore3, I wouldn't go back...

I’d thank God and just dissolve into Him—or maybe ascend to some higher plane altogether. You know, get some wings, grab a harp, all that stuff...

What kind of place is this, really? Look, I get it. Having a cold beer, a plate full of great food, someone warm to hold, jumping into a pool to splash around like you said... it sounds lovely. But let's be real: it’s hard to actually enjoy any of it. You can't drink too much because then you're sick—instead of feeling good, you're vomiting and your body feels toxic. You can't eat too much because the stomach is just one tiny little pouch; it can't handle everything your eyes want to see, and besides, you'll just end up overweight, unattractive, and unhealthy.

And travel? If traveling is your joy, you're stuck. You have to work so much just to fund it. Even people doing what they love spend an absurd amount of time working just to maintain a decent standard of living, or even just to exist...

You can't party too hard because you won't be able to function the next day. And sex? What about that? You can't overdo it there either—the average orgasm lasts maybe ten seconds...

And then what? In a few decades, your body will be old and worn out. You'll be popping antacids just to digest a meal, dragging old bones around the house, seeing the spark fade, and hearing your grandkids say, "Come on, Grandpa, move out of the way!" You'll just be waiting for game over, bothering everyone with stories about your wild youth. Then you leave, and your new persona pops up in this world again—back to diapers, starting from scratch, boring school, college, hunting for a job, finding a partner, reproducing, working and working just to sustain it all, with the occasional dip in a pool to make it feel worth it...

Hello, Michael Moore3... what's wrong with the picture?

Look, I'm not a depressive by nature. Honestly, life is beautiful—the bunnies, the streams, the sky, the ocean, traveling, dancing, eating, and hooking up... the challenges and all that. It's sweet. Life on Earth has its charms, and like little ants, we adapt to everything. But at the same time, it's all just a meaningless hamster wheel where there's more suffering than joy. And that's why
I'm choosing the one-way ticket. No return trip for me.
Thanks...