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The current state of the American psyche

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Jesse Sullivan2 Jesse Sullivan2 Active MemberOP
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joined Dec 2010
#1 ·
People always say "less is more," but honestly, everyone’s the same everywhere. Still, I always get caught off guard by how Americans react when public sector unions start pushing back.
Most people just shrug and go, "Oh, what do they want now?" or "Must be nice, they've got it made, why aren't they keeping their mouths shut?" Instead of actually standing up for them—you know, backing these unions up while they go toe-to-toe with the folks in D.C.—everyone just pushes them to the sidelines. They get treated like these greedy, lazy types who are just looking for an easy ride.
Maybe it's just me, but man, I find that totally wild.
If I really had to choose between supporting a union or saving a few bucks on some government facility, I'd honestly rather see the whole administration collapse than have a union worker's demands ignored...
Where does that mindset even come from?!
I mean, look at the French—they take to the streets and will fight tooth and nail if they have to, while we sit here calling people fools just because they're fighting for workers' rights.
It isn't even about which political party you like or whatever. I'm just trying to figure out the collective psyche of this nation, especially since we're the ones constantly getting the short end of the stick.
Were we just conditioned this way? Is it somehow baked into our DNA?!
Rebecca Stewart Rebecca Stewart Newcomer
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joined Mar 2009
#2 ·
Jesse Sullivan2 said:People always say "less is more," but honestly, everyone’s the same everywhere. Still, I always get caught off guard by how Americans react when public sector unions start pushing back.
Most people just shrug and go, "Oh, what do they want now?" or "Must be nice, they've got it made, why aren't they keeping their mouths shut?" Instead of actually standing up for them—you know, backing these unions up while they go toe-to-toe with the folks in D.C.—everyone just pushes them to the sidelines. They get treated like these greedy, lazy types who are just looking for an easy ride.
Maybe it's just me, but man, I find that totally wild.
If I really had to choose between supporting a union or saving a few bucks on some government facility, I'd honestly rather see the whole administration collapse than have a union worker's demands ignored...
Where does that mindset even come from?!
I mean, look at the French—they take to the streets and will fight tooth and nail if they have to, while we sit here calling people fools just because they're fighting for workers' rights.
It isn't even about which political party you like or whatever. I'm just trying to figure out the collective psyche of this nation, especially since we're the ones constantly getting the short end of the stick.
Were we just conditioned this way? Is it somehow baked into our DNA?!

But then again, it isn't exactly shocking. Americans have never exactly been known for their collective brilliance! Why? Well, I have been asking myself that very question for quite some time now. Regardless, it remains utterly incomprehensible.☕
Anthony Cook3 Anthony Cook3 Member
26 messages
joined Mar 2009
#3 ·
It really boils down to the people who run things versus the people being ruled...

We fall firmly into that second category. Personally, I suspect there's a direct link here to genetic engineering and the long-term goal of establishing a New World Order...

We are exactly where they want us to be. Stuck in the mud. That’s precisely where they intend to keep us...
loneowl39 loneowl39 Member
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joined Apr 2009
#4 ·
Anthony Cook3 said:It really boils down to the people who run things versus the people being ruled...

We fall firmly into that second category. Personally, I suspect there's a direct link here to genetic engineering and the long-term goal of establishing a New World Order...

We are exactly where they want us to be. Stuck in the mud. That’s precisely where they intend to keep us...

Ultimately, this is a matter of history. And our history was such that things couldn't have been any worse.
Keith Jones76 Keith Jones76 Active Member
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joined Mar 2009
#5 ·
It’s funny how everyone agrees during a discussion, but the second it’s time to actually step up and do something, it turns out most people wanted the exact opposite! When someone finally points out a problem and offers a way to fix it, everybody just stands around waiting for someone else to take the lead. It’s much easier to just point fingers at Washington or global politics than to actually lift a finger.
Christian Richardson9 Christian Richardson9 Member
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joined Feb 2010
#6 ·
From where I’m sitting, the entire country—maybe even the whole damn world—is circling the drain.
I pick up a newspaper and see some celebrity scandal, turn on the TV and it's some nanny drama, check the news and a kid has died, flip on the radio and it's kids beating up other kids...

Nobody talks about anything positive because, honestly, it just doesn't sell. We're all just competing to see who can outdo the other with the most absolute garbage stories.
We're basically letting them brainwash us on a daily basis.
And look, it's not just an American thing. That guy who invented wireless energy transfer was probably thrilled that he managed to knock Paris Hilton off the front page for a few days😢
just because the headlines were obsessed with whether or not she was wearing underwear.😕👎😢😠

And this is what we dedicate our precious attention to.😕

How are we ever supposed to actually improve our lives or stand up for ourselves when our biggest concerns are which celebrity went to rehab or who needs more Botox?
Instead, we just sit here wallowing in other people's misery and mocking anyone who actually tries to do something good—it's pathetic, really.
It feels like we choose our politicians based on a simple logic: "This guy is the biggest piece of trash I've seen, so I'll spend all my time complaining about him, so I guess he wins."
The corruption goes straight to the heavens.
We are total masochists.
God, it's exhausting.😢
Christian Richardson9 Christian Richardson9 Member
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joined Feb 2010
#7 ·
Keith Jones76 said:It’s funny how everyone agrees during a discussion, but the second it’s time to actually step up and do something, it turns out most people wanted the exact opposite! When someone finally points out a problem and offers a way to fix it, everybody just stands around waiting for someone else to take the lead. It’s much easier to just point fingers at Washington or global politics than to actually lift a finger.

Spot on. It's all about passing the buck—the deeper we sink into this mess, the less anyone feels responsible for their own part in it.
electrictiger70 electrictiger70 Active Member
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joined Jan 2008
#8 ·
Sure, let's just call it "genetically" hardwired to accept decades of terrible leadership 😛

The mindset in this part of the country is defined by an almost pathological obedience to authority. The problem is, people here mistake anyone who can convincingly fake competence for a legitimate leader. When you mix that subservience with a deep-seated passivity—which is just another hallmark of the local psyche—you get exactly what we have now. This way of thinking seems to pass from one generation to the next, and frankly, I don't see it changing. To make matters worse, the younger generations are even more politically disengaged than their parents. After years of watching things fall apart, I suppose everyone eventually decides that nothing can be fixed, so they just retreat into their own lives, completely indifferent to how their tax dollars are being squandered.

The whole concept of government actually serving the people is totally alien to us, as if it's a foreign language we've never heard. Instead, we dutifully pay our taxes just so about fifteen people—most of whom couldn't grasp basic economics—can spend their days bickering over outdated ideological nonsense. We've been stuck in this cycle for nearly two decades, all while people in other developed nations are actually making progress. 🤷

I suppose that's just another symptom of this collective mentality. Even though it explains why we sit back and calmly watch this absolute circus masquerading as a nation, I still find myself stunned by it. 🤷 Because the kind of "governance" we are sold here doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. At least, not in anything that would actually qualify as a democracy.
Rebecca Scott3 Rebecca Scott3 Active Member
154 messages
joined Jan 2009
#9 ·
Jesse Sullivan2 said:People always say "less is more," but honestly, everyone’s the same everywhere. Still, I always get caught off guard by how Americans react when public sector unions start pushing back.
Most people just shrug and go, "Oh, what do they want now?" or "Must be nice, they've got it made, why aren't they keeping their mouths shut?" Instead of actually standing up for them—you know, backing these unions up while they go toe-to-toe with the folks in D.C.—everyone just pushes them to the sidelines. They get treated like these greedy, lazy types who are just looking for an easy ride.
Maybe it's just me, but man, I find that totally wild.
If I really had to choose between supporting a union or saving a few bucks on some government facility, I'd honestly rather see the whole administration collapse than have a union worker's demands ignored...
Where does that mindset even come from?!
I mean, look at the French—they take to the streets and will fight tooth and nail if they have to, while we sit here calling people fools just because they're fighting for workers' rights.
It isn't even about which political party you like or whatever. I'm just trying to figure out the collective psyche of this nation, especially since we're the ones constantly getting the short end of the stick.
Were we just conditioned this way? Is it somehow baked into our DNA?!

It's that old-school, patriarchal-feudal mentality...
...where the lords do whatever they please... and the peasants work themselves to the bone for nothing more than a thin meal... rebellion is seen as a disgrace, and we end up hating the very people who revolt... simply because we still feel like we belong to that feudal system... we're actually afraid of freedom and independence...
...we mistake being beaten down for "love" or "care" from those in charge...
...it's like that dynamic in an old-fashioned marriage... where one side thinks, "they can treat us however they want, whenever they want... because we belong to them."...
Ethan Baker16 Ethan Baker16 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Mar 2009
#10 ·
Honestly, Americans just sit there and let everything slide while nothing changes...
and it’s honestly pathetic...
I’m guilty of it too, though. I spend all my time complaining about how things should be run or what I would do differently if I were in charge, yet I never actually lift a finger...
If I’m this passive in my own damn life, what hope is there for me to actually step up for my fellow Americans?
Actually, why even bother arguing? It’s pointless. I might as well just stay quiet...
Samuel Cruz61 Samuel Cruz61 Member
14 messages
joined Mar 2009
#11 ·
Rebecca Stewart said:But then again, it isn't exactly shocking. Americans have never exactly been known for their collective brilliance! Why? Well, I have been asking myself that very question for quite some time now. Regardless, it remains utterly incomprehensible.☕

The media and their insatiable thirst for sensationalism!

And people simply fail to realize they're being manipulated.
Anthony Cook3 Anthony Cook3 Member
26 messages
joined Mar 2009
#12 ·
Samuel Cruz61 said:The media and their insatiable thirst for sensationalism!

And people simply fail to realize they're being manipulated.


They spend all their time watching reality shows like Survivor or Big Brother, obsessing over local gossip like those daytime talk show hosts, or listening to what some random guy said at Starbucks yesterday about a celebrity's outfit on the red carpet. We see millions of dollars poured into massive sports stadiums that will never actually turn a profit because they were built for one single, insignificant event...

A few pop stars sing, a few dancers perform, a few influencers pose—it’s honestly laughable how easily the public is manipulated like this...
Chloe Walker83 Chloe Walker83 Newcomer
1 message
joined Mar 2009
#13 ·
The answer is honestly pretty simple: Americans just don't give a damn.
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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joined Dec 2008
#14 ·
day in and day out
Thomas Howard93 Thomas Howard93 Member
19 messages
joined Feb 2009
#15 ·
I honestly don't know. I feel like I'm either going to die or lose my mind in this country at this rate—it's just unbelievable.
Emily Robinson4 Emily Robinson4 Member
19 messages
joined Feb 2008
#16 ·
The mindset shared by most nations across Western Europe is honestly a mess 🤣 We’ve become far too passive—lazy, even—constantly attacking anything new because we’re essentially terrified of change. We mock liberals, we mock human rights activists... it's constant. And I'm not just being cynical here; this is the prevailing attitude held by about 65-70% of the people in this Beautiful country.

Just consider this scenario: imagine if we took 4.7 million Frenchmen and moved them into America... kicked all the Americans out 😬 and left those 4.7 million French citizens (or anyone else from Western Europe) under this current administration we’re forced to "enjoy" right now. They would be out there protesting every single damn day 🤣
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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joined Dec 2008
#17 ·
Check the link above; this is one of the best pieces I've read describing the situation in Beautiful America...

Elemental from

Living day to day

How low can we go? Can we even hit bottom?
Maybe our national pride has flared up again
but our standard of living isn't rising at all
days of glory and prestige
and nothing but red ink on the bank statements
we aren't living; we're just surviving
everything we leave for the next generation grows
debts, bills, and credit installments are suffocating us
and we don't have a single cent left
just playing math games to figure out how to delay payments
for maybe ten days or so
man, life sucks when you're buying groceries on a credit card
where are we now? That old safety net has evaporated
squandered on things that seemed vital
spent and wasted away
we've been left with absolutely nothing
it hit us way too hard and too fast
who even knows what exactly
happened overnight

Who am I supposed to ask, brother?
Who's going to give me answers?
Just tell me anything other than
that things could have been worse

All those thousands—the heavy hitters, the cavalry, the miners
were pushed aside long ago
all for the sake of some dream being realized
they vanished into mere statistics
numbers piling up like snowdrifts
while we were just trying to survive
the cost of living skyrocketed
and where are we now?
Finally at peace, finally free,
finally in our own country
but now we're broke
we gave up our dreams
for this nation, and we don't regret it
but along the way, someone else stepped up
a patriot more "patriotic" than us
who ended up pocketing all the surplus
we worked, but they didn't value us
waiting months just to get paid
for all the effort we put in
where are we now? Back to square one
how low are we sinking?
From Monday through Friday
how much is our labor worth today?
We had it once, now we don't—where are we now?

Chorus
Just living day to day
and every dream was erased long ago
who am I supposed to ask, brother?
Who's going to give me answers?
Just tell me anything other than
that things could have been worse

And where are we now? (Where are we?)
Still waiting for a better tomorrow
maybe we're naively hoping for the same old things
while the whole system fails internally
there is no justice to protect us
no honest leadership, just a bunch of opportunists
promises are cheap
and life is just so expensive
so criminals become the role models
whatever, the people aren't stupid
we want a decent standard, we want money,
we want to live, we want everything
but we wait and wait
and wait until we snap
because it makes no sense; the utility bills are sky-high
the deficit is too deep
this has gone on too long, the people have reached their limit
some complain about how things were yesterday
saying it was better back then
others act out, making noise
driven by a surge of nationalism
and I ask you, I really ask you
where are we now?
still working under the table
for pennies, but for how much longer?
who will restore our dignity?
who will pay the full price?
give us only what we are worth
so things can finally move forward
we're losing patience, just counting our problems
everything we once had is gone
and the burden is heavy
so in the end, everyone asks themselves
how low have I fallen?
And how can I stay proud?

Chorus

And tell me that we could have changed the world
tell me, please
and that the children coming after us
will have a legacy to carry forward
and tell me that we didn't
ruin everything good
tell me, please
and that I will be able to
sleep peacefully with a clear conscience

Tell me that we can rebuild
that it isn't too late
and if I falter, give me the strength
to create something beautiful
and even tomorrow, I would love to open my eyes
just to feel grateful
but I can't, so I grit my teeth
and walk through life, day after day
Anthony Cook3 Anthony Cook3 Member
26 messages
joined Mar 2009
#18 ·
We definitely suffer from that small-nation complex where we're constantly afraid of everything...

Everything feels rigged, honestly. It’s like every single thing is corrupt. You listen to politicians today, and they promise one thing, then flip-flop completely by tomorrow. Even getting a job often depends on whether you're handing over envelopes under the table at any level of government, or if you just happen to be related to the right person.

People just seem too passive and uninformed.
Patrick Johnson8 Patrick Johnson8 Member
23 messages
joined Oct 2008
#19 ·
Passivity... how do you actually fight it? Especially when someone's literal diagnosis is passivity—like, they can't even muster the energy to hit the grocery store for a loaf of bread. I know people just like that.
mistyranger42 mistyranger42 Member
12 messages
joined Jul 2008
#20 ·
fadedbear92 said:day in and day out

As soon as I read the post about that song, it just hit me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SObMc56OhWQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NnAurbooKM

I mean, please, everyone... just show up for the local elections. Show them what you think. Deny them their vote and give someone else a chance. Even if it feels kind of pointless, maybe we can at least punish them for everything they've done by making sure they don't stay in power.

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