dustyskipper3 said:It is one thing to have a crime, but it is quite another when a crime is driven by a dominant ideology—kind of like how Ed Gein operated (Nazism) versus our own criminals (extremist nationalism). I am not trying to equate them, actually; I think war crimes and crimes born from national or religious hatred are much worse things than domestic family crimes.
Once we in America, and citizens in other former territories, start punishing all of our own criminals, then maybe we can lecture our neighbors about theirs. But... there would be far too many of them. It remains a fact that Ed Gein was sent to a psychiatric facility, because if he hadn't been, way more people would have had to face serious punishments. In the States, certain criminals aren't even handled locally; they get dealt with by an international tribunal, mostly so the rest of the country doesn't have to be forced into a sort of "asylum" isolated from the normal world. Those whom the international courts don't handle, we would have to punish ourselves, but we can't really do that because those criminals are often too closely tied to the top of the political ladder and the so-called "elite." I guess my conclusion is that denazification in America was somehow carried out, since people like Ed Gein and his family only seem to show up in private basements now, whereas the deconstruction of our old era happened much less so, because those types of figures still actively participate in public life.
By the way, that whole thing about the independence referendum is just nonsense. If you look closer at how the questions were phrased, you might notice how much fear of failure there was—they practically had to push it through. So, I suppose it's misplaced to talk about success rates using those numbers. But then again, everyone has "forgotten" that, so now it has become "appropriate," or what people call the truth.
I know, I know. I mean, I was thinking of it more ironically myself.
Can you explain this in plain English? I'd like to actually understand you, unlike half the people on these forums.
Is there some kind of Nazi connection behind the Fritzlov crime? Sorry if you’ve already covered this, but you know how it goes—you can't see the forest for the trees sometimes.
What exactly do you mean by calling it "just" a crime? Give me an actual example.
What on earth do Merčep and glavaš have to do with Fritzl? Aside from you trying to pin an entire ideology onto their actions, I don't see the connection.
You can't just throw different types of crimes into one bucket and compare them. A war crime is one thing, but domestic crimes can escalate into murder—I don't know, two, three, four, maybe five people dead. So go ahead, try comparing them now. Does that comparison actually hold any water to you, or are we just talking nonsense?
dustyskipper3 said:It is one thing to have a crime, but it is quite another when a crime is driven by a dominant ideology—kind of like how Ed Gein operated (Nazism) versus our own criminals (extremist nationalism). I am not trying to equate them, actually; I think war crimes and crimes born from national or religious hatred are much worse things than domestic family crimes.
Once we in America, and citizens in other former territories, start punishing all of our own criminals, then maybe we can lecture our neighbors about theirs. But... there would be far too many of them. It remains a fact that Ed Gein was sent to a psychiatric facility, because if he hadn't been, way more people would have had to face serious punishments. In the States, certain criminals aren't even handled locally; they get dealt with by an international tribunal, mostly so the rest of the country doesn't have to be forced into a sort of "asylum" isolated from the normal world. Those whom the international courts don't handle, we would have to punish ourselves, but we can't really do that because those criminals are often too closely tied to the top of the political ladder and the so-called "elite." I guess my conclusion is that denazification in America was somehow carried out, since people like Ed Gein and his family only seem to show up in private basements now, whereas the deconstruction of our old era happened much less so, because those types of figures still actively participate in public life.
By the way, that whole thing about the independence referendum is just nonsense. If you look closer at how the questions were phrased, you might notice how much fear of failure there was—they practically had to push it through. So, I suppose it's misplaced to talk about success rates using those numbers. But then again, everyone has "forgotten" that, so now it has become "appropriate," or what people call the truth.
I know, I know. I mean, I was thinking of it more ironically myself.
Let me ask you again: what on earth does the Fritzl case have to do with America or any of the countries from the old America era? Or are we just playing around with "literary" metaphors again? 🤷
Just to be clear, regular citizens don't hand out the penalties; that responsibility falls entirely on the courts once a verdict is reached.
dustyskipper3 said:It is one thing to have a crime, but it is quite another when a crime is driven by a dominant ideology—kind of like how Ed Gein operated (Nazism) versus our own criminals (extremist nationalism). I am not trying to equate them, actually; I think war crimes and crimes born from national or religious hatred are much worse things than domestic family crimes.
Once we in America, and citizens in other former territories, start punishing all of our own criminals, then maybe we can lecture our neighbors about theirs. But... there would be far too many of them. It remains a fact that Ed Gein was sent to a psychiatric facility, because if he hadn't been, way more people would have had to face serious punishments. In the States, certain criminals aren't even handled locally; they get dealt with by an international tribunal, mostly so the rest of the country doesn't have to be forced into a sort of "asylum" isolated from the normal world. Those whom the international courts don't handle, we would have to punish ourselves, but we can't really do that because those criminals are often too closely tied to the top of the political ladder and the so-called "elite." I guess my conclusion is that denazification in America was somehow carried out, since people like Ed Gein and his family only seem to show up in private basements now, whereas the deconstruction of our old era happened much less so, because those types of figures still actively participate in public life.
By the way, that whole thing about the independence referendum is just nonsense. If you look closer at how the questions were phrased, you might notice how much fear of failure there was—they practically had to push it through. So, I suppose it's misplaced to talk about success rates using those numbers. But then again, everyone has "forgotten" that, so now it has become "appropriate," or what people call the truth.
I know, I know. I mean, I was thinking of it more ironically myself.
More like a mental asylum, if we're being honest.
Legal proceedings against one person can be filed completely separately from any other case.
dustyskipper3 said:It is one thing to have a crime, but it is quite another when a crime is driven by a dominant ideology—kind of like how Ed Gein operated (Nazism) versus our own criminals (extremist nationalism). I am not trying to equate them, actually; I think war crimes and crimes born from national or religious hatred are much worse things than domestic family crimes.
Once we in America, and citizens in other former territories, start punishing all of our own criminals, then maybe we can lecture our neighbors about theirs. But... there would be far too many of them. It remains a fact that Ed Gein was sent to a psychiatric facility, because if he hadn't been, way more people would have had to face serious punishments. In the States, certain criminals aren't even handled locally; they get dealt with by an international tribunal, mostly so the rest of the country doesn't have to be forced into a sort of "asylum" isolated from the normal world. Those whom the international courts don't handle, we would have to punish ourselves, but we can't really do that because those criminals are often too closely tied to the top of the political ladder and the so-called "elite." I guess my conclusion is that denazification in America was somehow carried out, since people like Ed Gein and his family only seem to show up in private basements now, whereas the deconstruction of our old era happened much less so, because those types of figures still actively participate in public life.
By the way, that whole thing about the independence referendum is just nonsense. If you look closer at how the questions were phrased, you might notice how much fear of failure there was—they practically had to push it through. So, I suppose it's misplaced to talk about success rates using those numbers. But then again, everyone has "forgotten" that, so now it has become "appropriate," or what people call the truth.
I know, I know. I mean, I was thinking of it more ironically myself.
Whether someone gets "punished" or not is for the court to decide. By the way, you don't say "punish" in this context. There are legal proceedings, and once something is proven, a verdict and sentence are handed down. A person is innocent until proven guilty, right honey? Otherwise, it would be way too easy to just shoot everyone without a trial 🤷
The courts in America work just fine, in case you weren't aware, but let's not get bogged down in politics, shall we?
You keep bringing up Nazi-era stuff and denazification, and I can't help but feel like you're trying to downplay this crime. Why? It has absolutely nothing to do with the American version of de-radicalization. None at all.
dustyskipper3 said:It is one thing to have a crime, but it is quite another when a crime is driven by a dominant ideology—kind of like how Ed Gein operated (Nazism) versus our own criminals (extremist nationalism). I am not trying to equate them, actually; I think war crimes and crimes born from national or religious hatred are much worse things than domestic family crimes.
Once we in America, and citizens in other former territories, start punishing all of our own criminals, then maybe we can lecture our neighbors about theirs. But... there would be far too many of them. It remains a fact that Ed Gein was sent to a psychiatric facility, because if he hadn't been, way more people would have had to face serious punishments. In the States, certain criminals aren't even handled locally; they get dealt with by an international tribunal, mostly so the rest of the country doesn't have to be forced into a sort of "asylum" isolated from the normal world. Those whom the international courts don't handle, we would have to punish ourselves, but we can't really do that because those criminals are often too closely tied to the top of the political ladder and the so-called "elite." I guess my conclusion is that denazification in America was somehow carried out, since people like Ed Gein and his family only seem to show up in private basements now, whereas the deconstruction of our old era happened much less so, because those types of figures still actively participate in public life.
By the way, that whole thing about the independence referendum is just nonsense. If you look closer at how the questions were phrased, you might notice how much fear of failure there was—they practically had to push it through. So, I suppose it's misplaced to talk about success rates using those numbers. But then again, everyone has "forgotten" that, so now it has become "appropriate," or what people call the truth.
I know, I know. I mean, I was thinking of it more ironically myself.
well...
and I just want to ask one more thing (I couldn't cut out the part I needed without leaving in the insults, ugh):
dustyskipper3 said:You aren't seeing anything at all. It’s like being stuck in total darkness where you can't see an inch in front of you... you've proven that, and honestly, you keep proving it. I guess it just feels like you're talking just to hear your own voice.
Law isn't exactly the same thing as justice... I mean, if you think about it that way, you're probably already behind the curve on how people are interpreting things these days. Maybe.
I suppose I should call you a cynic, though perhaps that isn't quite fair. It seems more like you’ve just been beaten down too many times by fighting the system, and now you've been forced to join its ranks just to survive. I guess that leads to this stage where there's no shame left in your actions, or even any sense of integrity, really.
😂
I haven't read such a pile of garbage in a long time. I guess. Maybe it’s just me, but it really feels like a complete waste of time.
Look, man... you’re posting on several other forums too, and honestly? Everyone there seems to think you’re just some guy who can't communicate like a normal person. You always end up flaunting this supposed expertise in the natural and social sciences, and it just feels like you're constantly putting everyone else down around you. Maybe you have a little bit of diverse knowledge in technical fields—I guess, maybe a tiny bit of electronics, perhaps a bit of Nikola Tesla level stuff from when you were in high school tech classes—but that's really it. And yet, you seem to think you're incredibly brilliant. It actually reminds me of this one lady who said to me back when I was at Ericsson: We have plenty of intelligent people around here, real geniuses, I suppose. But what’s really the point of all that brilliance when everyone seems to be acting like a total schizo? It just doesn't seem to lead anywhere.😉
Schizophrenia isn't actually what people think it is—it's not some split personality thing. Though, I suppose you could argue that happens in your case too, since you're constantly duplicating yourself between Arteturen and Arteturen1, and honestly, it’s hard to tell which one came first or which one carries more weight. But anyway, regarding the condition... it seems to me more like a fracture between intelligence and emotion. In these individuals, the intellect can be incredibly high and remains perfectly intact on one side, while the emotional side is just... well, it's stunted. It's dull and underdeveloped. I guess that's just how it looks from my perspective.☕
As far as you're concerned... I guess you're actually well on your way to joining them, if you haven't already.
I suppose I should envy your rational intelligence, though perhaps your ego is just a bit too inflated. But I think that’s why your emotional maturity seems stuck at the level of a three-year-old, which explains your communication style and why you can't see what’s staring you in the face. To anyone with a functional emotional life, a few things are obvious: 1) Kids are going to suffer if society decides to punish their father; 2) Society bears responsibility for deviant individuals and how they are treated—that includes you, hiding behind this silly username; and 3) It is impossible to truly judge someone who lacks any empathy for others. You might have an IQ higher than Einstein, but emotionally, you're just... stunted.
Every grandmother out there has a better intuitive grasp on the Josef Fritzl case than you ever will, even if you spend all day shuffling logical Rubik's Cubes around in your left brain until smoke starts coming out of your ear. Let me try to explain: it’s like you’re building a staircase one tiny step at a time just to reach the top of a hill, while someone else just intuitively sees the summit without any effort at all. And, unfortunately for you, even the greatest mathematicians and physicists, including Einstein, arrived at their massive breakthroughs through intuition first, only proving them logically afterward. You won't ever achieve that, even if you figured out how to live for 10,000 years. Besides, you're just full of biases, like the idea that anyone who mentions the Bible or believes in God must be a fool. Even Einstein believed in God, as did Leibniz and many other greats (unlike you). So, I guess, how does faith actually interfere with reason?
Maybe you should head over to some technical forum where you can annoy people with your pedantry. You won't get anywhere here, because if you keep posting this kind of nonsense without actually communicating normally or providing real arguments, you'll probably end up with a permanent ban.
What's the connection there: children suffering and a father being held accountable for what he did to them? (And what kind of punishment are you talking about, a legal one?)
Why on earth would kids suffer because of that? What's your solution, just let the father stay home and raise them?
