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velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#101 ·
Zachary Turner6 said:Hmm, true enough.

There’s this specific line of reasoning regarding why people feel compelled to inflict harm on others—whether that drive is conscious or buried deep in the subconscious. Edgar Allan Poe (whose biography is, shall we say, less than stellar) explored this concept through several of his short stories (Black Cat, William Wilson, The Imp of the Perverse, The Tell-Tale Heart,...). His core argument is that sometimes we feel an irresistible urge to do exactly what we know we shouldn't—precisely because we know it's forbidden."
He refers to this phenomenon specifically as the imp of the perverse. It makes you wonder: do some people (if not all of us) actually possess such a twisted sense of gratification derived from the suffering of others? Is there a figurative Marquis de Sade living inside everyone, waiting for the moment they can break through the surface and seize total dominance over human consciousness and action? It’s a pretty chilling thought, honestly...

Why is it that some manage to resist this impulse while others succumb? And why is it that for most people—hopefully the majority—such acts are repulsive even at a subconscious level? In short, how is it possible that there are individuals who derive genuine, conscious pleasure from inflicting pain (rape, pedophilia, murder motivated by pure sadistic thrill, and so on)?

Poe was dealing with some pretty serious health issues, much like "certain other poets," so maybe that makes his "sometimes" a bit easier to swallow, though I guess it's hard to judge from that perspective.
If you ask me, people who intentionally commit evil acts definitely need to be put in total isolation with others just like them.
crimsonheron80 crimsonheron80 Active Member
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#102 ·
velvetrider said:Poe was dealing with some pretty serious health issues, much like "certain other poets," so maybe that makes his "sometimes" a bit easier to swallow, though I guess it's hard to judge from that perspective.
If you ask me, people who intentionally commit evil acts definitely need to be put in total isolation with others just like them.

Oh, by that logic, you belong in isolation too. Jeffrey Dahmer was a complete maniac.😁
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#103 ·
.... man, I’d love to be part of that crowd—though, honestly, I haven't quite lost my marbles just yet (there's actual written proof if you care, though you probably won't believe me) — anyway, I'll be dropping a post about florine soon, which should make things a bit more
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#104 ·
ironowl3 said:Can someone please explain what’s going on here? Is this just so our fine gentleman doesn't have to rub elbows with the common folk, or is there something else at play?


I mean, you know how they say,

"it’s not the thief—pardon me, the *gentleman* thief—who does wrong, it’s just the one who gets caught,"

right?


And I guess since the court hasn't actually proven anything against him yet, how is he supposed to decide what's fair for himself? He's gotta play nice, I suppose, which was always the plan anyway.
Pure sarcasm there, obviously. There isn't really any other way to put it, is there?
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active MemberOP
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#105 ·
Tyler Reyes86 said:Oh, sure, a Jewish conspiracy. I think anyone with half a brain can see through that. And let me guess—is the Holocaust just a fairy tale to you too? Or have you finally decided to join reality?

True enough, but there is still one single religion functioning as a political platform with actual legislative power today. Can you guess which one?

Look, the Holocaust is JUST ONE CRIME, but it certainly gets the most PR. What about the atrocities that get a free pass? Think about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, global colonialism and genocide, the destruction of Dresden, and of course—the occupation of Palestine.
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active MemberOP
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#106 ·
velvetrider said:Poe was dealing with some pretty serious health issues, much like "certain other poets," so maybe that makes his "sometimes" a bit easier to swallow, though I guess it's hard to judge from that perspective.
If you ask me, people who intentionally commit evil acts definitely need to be put in total isolation with others just like them.

Now, that's an intriguing concept...
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active MemberOP
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#107 ·
Adam Miller46 said:Honestly, I’d rather see him among twelve men being beaten nearly to death—just enough to stay alive—so that every time he recovers, he starts all over again, like Sisyphus and his boulder.... until, of course, he finally dies of natural causes... Has anyone actually seen that man's eyes? He looks like he thinks he owns life and death itself...

His gaze is straight out of a horror movie.
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#108 ·
rustymaker5 said:I wish the old man had actually realized the depth of his depravity only after seeing his daughter’s interview on CNN... and maybe then he would have felt some genuine remorse and just come clean about everything. But honestly, if he tries to play the "mental illness" card, I'm not buying it for a second.
What really sticks in my throat, though, is how the mother sat there and let that whole circus play out for over twenty years... 🤷 In my opinion, they’re both completely unhinged and probably shouldn't be allowed anywhere near civilized society. I mean, he was molesting her starting when she was eleven, and then he locked her away once she hit adulthood... There's no way the mother didn't sense something was wrong. They share the blame for this. 🤮

Sorry for being blunt—just speaking my mind here,
even if I sound a bit paranoid thinking logic works perfectly while everyone else's perception doesn't match reality... he isn't just "sick." He knew exactly what he was doing.
And the trial? It should be kept short because it's just too uncomfortable for the people in power—people start thinking for themselves, and I guess that's considered the ultimate sin.

Plus, there are at least four other girls who "went missing," one of whom was found strangled and raped, so it's pretty clear he was involved in that too...

As for the rest, yeah, I agree—isolate them.
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#109 ·
Drew Morgan said:His gaze is straight out of a horror movie.

? I mean, is it that whole churchy vibe? Like, maybe the local priest was just a big fan of chatting and grabbing shots of bourbon with that gentleman thief—don't worry, I'm not looking for any spiritual guidance here, I promise.
Sean Cruz Sean Cruz Regular
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#110 ·
Drew Morgan said:Maybe the Black Cat...? That was a grim depiction of love gone wrong.

I suspect he was actually referring to Edgar Allan Poe's biography and suggesting Poe himself was wired that way, which is why I asked him what he was basing that on. Sure, Poe had his demons, but he wasn't some predator. It honestly irritates me when people jump to conclusions without knowing the facts.
Look, the Holocaust is JUST ONE OF MANY CRIMES, but it gets all the branding. What about the crimes that get swept under the rug or simply tolerated: Hiroshima and Nagasaki, colonialism and genocide globally, the destruction of Dresden, and of course—the occupation of Palestine?

I agree; far too much focus is placed on the Holocaust while other atrocities (which are by no means smaller) are ignored. It’s all just marketing. Read that book I suggested. It was only after reading it that I truly understood the reality of the situation in Palestine.
And I have to admit, there have been moments where I found myself thinking how brilliant Adolf Hitler actually was. 😁
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active MemberOP
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#111 ·
It's common knowledge that Israel uses Nazi tactics. Can I even borrow a book on this from the library?
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active MemberOP
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#112 ·
velvetrider said:? I mean, is it that whole churchy vibe? Like, maybe the local priest was just a big fan of chatting and grabbing shots of bourbon with that gentleman thief—don't worry, I'm not looking for any spiritual guidance here, I promise.

The Catholic Church is demonic if you ask me. They have zero authority on morality or health.
velvetrider velvetrider Active Member
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#113 ·
hiddenhound3 said:I tend to view this primarily as a psychological disorder or a sickness, which then manifests as a criminal act.

Call it whatever you want, I didn't catch onto it right away, so fair enough.
But honestly? The biggest crime of all is stripping away someone else's freedom. There’s just no excuse for it... unless, I guess, they're doing the exact same thing to you, and then you take it back.
Rebecca Scott3 Rebecca Scott3 Active Member
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#114 ·
Sean Cruz said:I suspect he was actually referring to Edgar Allan Poe's biography and suggesting Poe himself was wired that way, which is why I asked him what he was basing that on. Sure, Poe had his demons, but he wasn't some predator. It honestly irritates me when people jump to conclusions without knowing the facts.
Look, the Holocaust is JUST ONE OF MANY CRIMES, but it gets all the branding. What about the crimes that get swept under the rug or simply tolerated: Hiroshima and Nagasaki, colonialism and genocide globally, the destruction of Dresden, and of course—the occupation of Palestine?

I agree; far too much focus is placed on the Holocaust while other atrocities (which are by no means smaller) are ignored. It’s all just marketing. Read that book I suggested. It was only after reading it that I truly understood the reality of the situation in Palestine.
And I have to admit, there have been moments where I found myself thinking how brilliant Adolf Hitler actually was. 😁

It isn't even about the lives lost during the Holocaust...
....because people were dying there from all walks of life... Romani people, Slavs.... communists.... Jehovah's Witnesses.... and so many others....
it's really just about finding ways to rack up points for future profits.... to get a grip on someone's neck so they can control and rule them...... it's pure enslavement and looting....
.... no actual nation holds power.... not one single one...... it's run by sneaky con artists... liars and frauds.... it's run by the Jeffrey Dahmers of every race and nation...... cold-blooded, ego-driven sadists.... the kind of people who hate and despise everything around them.... including themselves..... the types who will publicly repent but never truly mean it or feel it in their hearts..... those who see nothing but an opportunity to turn tragedy into profit.....
.... it's always a scam...... because they're trying to con themselves, too.... which is the core of it all..... they have no sense of self.... and they never did.....
Jeffrey Dahmer spat on his mother, his wife, his kids, and himself....... all while lying to himself, pretending he was the master of everyone else....
his eyes have that look of someone who only feels alive when they are attacking and controlling others... that's all he is...... he's only himself when he's lashing out and dominating... like a wild animal
..if you take away his ability to attack and control.......he turns into a terrified, pathetic mess.... like a caged beast
....he'd end up biting his own tongue off if you stripped him of his power to control and strike out.....
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active MemberOP
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#115 ·
Well articulated, but please, spare the animals the insults. 😍
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#116 ·
hiddenhound3 said:I tend to view this primarily as a psychological disorder or a sickness, which then manifests as a criminal act.

not me
because that just sidelines the actual act and the victim

and leaves you with this "oh, poor little broken person" vibe... but if you're acting like that, you're basically saying you're powerless,
that you aren't responsible for what you do, that you just act on impulse and we'll all just eventually
fix you up.
🙄
Sean Cruz Sean Cruz Regular
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#117 ·
Drew Morgan said:It's common knowledge that Israel uses Nazi tactics. Can I even borrow a book on this from the library?

I haven't the slightest clue. It was printed in Ottawa, and I have no idea how many copies actually exist. They probably have some copies in New York, though.
Sean Cruz Sean Cruz Regular
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#118 ·
Rebecca Scott3 said:It isn't even about the lives lost during the Holocaust...
....because people were dying there from all walks of life... Romani people, Slavs.... communists.... Jehovah's Witnesses.... and so many others....
it's really just about finding ways to rack up points for future profits.... to get a grip on someone's neck so they can control and rule them...... it's pure enslavement and looting....
.... no actual nation holds power.... not one single one...... it's run by sneaky con artists... liars and frauds.... it's run by the Jeffrey Dahmers of every race and nation...... cold-blooded, ego-driven sadists.... the kind of people who hate and despise everything around them.... including themselves..... the types who will publicly repent but never truly mean it or feel it in their hearts..... those who see nothing but an opportunity to turn tragedy into profit.....
.... it's always a scam...... because they're trying to con themselves, too.... which is the core of it all..... they have no sense of self.... and they never did.....
Jeffrey Dahmer spat on his mother, his wife, his kids, and himself....... all while lying to himself, pretending he was the master of everyone else....
his eyes have that look of someone who only feels alive when they are attacking and controlling others... that's all he is...... he's only himself when he's lashing out and dominating... like a wild animal
..if you take away his ability to attack and control.......he turns into a terrified, pathetic mess.... like a caged beast
....he'd end up biting his own tongue off if you stripped him of his power to control and strike out.....

I'm inclined to agree—it's nothing more than a raw struggle for power.
.... no nation actually rules....not a single one......instead, we are governed by insidious swindlers...liars, and frauds....we are ruled by the Jeffrey Dahmers of every race and creed...... cold-blooded, egocentric sadists.... those who despise everything around them...including themselves.....those who will offer public repentance without ever truly feeling a shred of remorse.....those who see even an apology as a way to extract profit.....
....they are perpetual deceivers......deceiving even themselves, because that is their fundamental flaw..... they have no sense of self....and never have....
Jeffrey Dahmer spat on his mother, his wife, his children, and himself....... while constantly lying to himself, pretending he was the master of all....
his gaze is that of a man who only feels alive when he is controlling and attacking, because that is his entire essence...he exists only through aggression and dominance...like a predator
..if you strip away his ability to control and attack.......he collapses into a pathetic, terrified wreck....a beast trapped in a tiny cage...
....he would tear his own throat out if he were denied his power and the ability to strike....

I can certainly agree with all of that, though I'd argue he didn't just delude himself into thinking he was in charge—the unfortunate reality is that he actually held total dominion over other people's lives. No punishment could ever be sufficient for someone like that.
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active MemberOP
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#119 ·
It’s a brutal concept to wrap my head around, but here it is: some theories suggest we live multiple lives in different bodies, cycling through every possible role—from the victim to the predator. We've played them all at some point.

Yet, I can't seem to switch off my empathy or my moral compass; maybe that's my flaw. Perhaps I should strive for Stoicism. Since I can't, I just hope they test new drugs on someone like Jeffrey Dahmer instead. To me, that's a much more acceptable alternative than testing on rabbits.
hiddenhound3 hiddenhound3 Regular
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#120 ·
Sandra Parker3 said:not me
because that just sidelines the actual act and the victim

and leaves you with this "oh, poor little broken person" vibe... but if you're acting like that, you're basically saying you're powerless,
that you aren't responsible for what you do, that you just act on impulse and we'll all just eventually
fix you up.
🙄

Execution sites, guillotines, the death penalty, or any form of prohibition, mandate, or repression has never actually improved the collective mental health of humanity; therefore, the same logic cannot be applied to the murder of Fritz. You have misconstrued my intentions; I am not offering anyone applause, I am simply stating an observation. The man is mentally ill, period—I am not attempting to excuse him. Should we go ahead and kill a sick man under the assumption that doing so will somehow cure the sickness in everyone else? 😕 That would be your solution... wouldn't it? 🤷 Do you truly believe that tormenting and seeking vengeance against this man will return his daughter the years she lost, or alleviate the profound suffering they endured? 😕 I would bet anything that it will not.

One must accept the reality that humanity is flawed and that monsters of this nature will continue to be born indefinitely. It is a tragic truth that breaks my heart, but such things are impossible to prevent. As for revenge? What purpose does it serve? The man has already been sentenced to life in prison; what more could possibly be required?

To conclude my thoughts on this matter—people possess a fascination with execution sites; people hunger for the suffering of others; people harbor sadistic tendencies and find a twisted sense of satisfaction in seeing others tormented. Those who hold such views are no healthier in their minds than Fritz himself, but unfortunately, this is the general condition of mankind—if not to say, it is inherently human.

EDIT: My position is that no human being intends to commit evil. Evil arises as a consequence of psychological instability, and we often focus too much on the tip of the iceberg because it is easier than plunging our heads into deep, cold, dark waters to search for the actual root of the problem.

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