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granitetiger69 granitetiger69 Member
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#61 ·
I don't get it either. How does Josef Fritzl get charged while the wife walks free?
I mean, I don't think anyone could convince me that I wouldn't notice an entire FAMILY living in my basement for 25 years. Like, if my husband was constantly bringing down extra food, extra beds, mattresses, diapers... I don't know. I'd probably hear noise, or crying, or something. At the very least, I'd feel the urge to go down there after a year just to check things out or drop off some old stuff.
No one can tell me she isn't guilty or that she didn't know what was happening.

Personally, I think it was a huge mistake that she wasn't sentenced alongside him. Even if it was just pure fear of reporting him, she was still part of the crime just as much as he was.
Tyler Reyes86 Tyler Reyes86 Member
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#62 ·
Edward Flores4 said:I mean, why would anyone hope that the majority of people would resist those kinds of ideas in the first place...?

For instance, every single time I see coverage regarding the conflict between Palestinians and Jews, I get this dark, sudden impulse to channel my inner Adolf Hitler—only to do a much more thorough job than he ever did. From a Palestinian perspective, it’s honestly a shame that I end up resisting that urge every time.🤷


An interesting connection, considering this whole discussion revolves around one specific instance of slave-like sexual abuse. You see, Adolf Hitler didn't actually have an issue with slavery as a concept, provided the masters belonged to a superior race. In his view, the role of women would simply be to produce more little Aryans.
When we bring up Palestinians, Islam naturally emerges as the dominant ideology, existing within a framework where traditional slavery still lingers in certain places, and women occupy a subservient status dictated by Sharia law. Furthermore, if Josef Fritzl happened to be a Saudi man, he probably would have covered up his crimes quite successfully; after all, women there are largely confined to the home under the constant supervision of a male guardian, needing his explicit permission just to step outside. Domestic violence is practically a non-existent concept within their judicial system.
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active MemberOP
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#63 ·
Rebecca Scott3 said:I honestly think there are at least a thousand people in the USA who won't be able to afford that kind of comfort, constant care, and luxury when they get older...
...As for him? I’d just lock him up right where he kept his daughter and grandkids. Put him in the same kind of isolation with those exact same rules (minus the screaming and the physical abuse)... and just slide food through the door. It would be nothing more than what the locals brought him... nothing better than what he forced upon his slaves... while charging admission for tourists to wander around, film everything, and wait for his end to arrive...
His life would depend entirely on the mercy of others... every single day... until the very end... and there wouldn't be any medical care...

Now that is a beautiful, perfect Solomon's solution!👍

But since we consider ourselves so "civilized," apparently psychiatry—that "science" everyone loves to hate—is going to provide him with psychotherapy like it’s the good old days. What a wildly successful life!
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active MemberOP
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#64 ·
granitetiger69 said:I don't get it either. How does Josef Fritzl get charged while the wife walks free?
I mean, I don't think anyone could convince me that I wouldn't notice an entire FAMILY living in my basement for 25 years. Like, if my husband was constantly bringing down extra food, extra beds, mattresses, diapers... I don't know. I'd probably hear noise, or crying, or something. At the very least, I'd feel the urge to go down there after a year just to check things out or drop off some old stuff.
No one can tell me she isn't guilty or that she didn't know what was happening.

Personally, I think it was a huge mistake that she wasn't sentenced alongside him. Even if it was just pure fear of reporting him, she was still part of the crime just as much as he was.

Exactly. It's a total injustice.
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active MemberOP
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#65 ·
ironowl3 said:I just saw that he’ll be keeping all those luxuries even while in custody. Meanwhile, his daughter was forced to sell the house and move away entirely. And where are his wife and mother-in-law in all of this? Natasha only bought back her own home just to stop someone else from turning it into a profit-driven business venture.

Can someone please explain who Natascha is?
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active MemberOP
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#66 ·
Edward Flores4 said:What about hermaphrodites? Genetic engineering? Reconstructive surgery? Maternity wards in Chernobyl, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki?

It seems entirely plausible that even the blind forces of random mutation decided to "gift" some boys with a vagina, much to the absolute delight of guys like Doug Stanhope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY4LI...eature=related

How terrible 👎

Especially when I think about Jerry Seinfeld—I just don't get it.

And the audience? They probably had their brains surgically removed.
Edward Flores4 Edward Flores4 Regular
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#67 ·
Tyler Reyes86 said:An interesting connection, considering this whole discussion revolves around one specific instance of slave-like sexual abuse. You see, Adolf Hitler didn't actually have an issue with slavery as a concept, provided the masters belonged to a superior race. In his view, the role of women would simply be to produce more little Aryans.
When we bring up Palestinians, Islam naturally emerges as the dominant ideology, existing within a framework where traditional slavery still lingers in certain places, and women occupy a subservient status dictated by Sharia law. Furthermore, if Josef Fritzl happened to be a Saudi man, he probably would have covered up his crimes quite successfully; after all, women there are largely confined to the home under the constant supervision of a male guardian, needing his explicit permission just to step outside. Domestic violence is practically a non-existent concept within their judicial system.

What are you even talking about?

Palestine used to be secular—it's only recently, after more than sixty years of illegal occupation by Israel, that a radical Islamist party has actually taken power. But honestly, that kind of radicalism is a direct consequence of the occupation itself. It’s even being funded by Israel to create this convenient "justification" for their "no negotiations" military occupation policy.

Just to clear things up here... for most of its history, Palestine leaned toward Catholicism, and even today, there are actually more Catholics in both Palestine and Israel than there are Jews!
hiddenhound3 hiddenhound3 Regular
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#68 ·
Drew Morgan said:So, I just heard on the news that Ed Gein was finally sentenced.
What’s your take? What kind of psychological breakdown drives someone to commit something like that?

He was judged by the very same society that allowed him to exist in the first place. This isn't merely a diagnosis for one individual, but rather a indictment of our entire social fabric.
Tyler Reyes86 Tyler Reyes86 Member
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#69 ·
Edward Flores4 said:What are you even talking about?

Palestine used to be secular—it's only recently, after more than sixty years of illegal occupation by Israel, that a radical Islamist party has actually taken power. But honestly, that kind of radicalism is a direct consequence of the occupation itself. It’s even being funded by Israel to create this convenient "justification" for their "no negotiations" military occupation policy.

Just to clear things up here... for most of its history, Palestine leaned toward Catholicism, and even today, there are actually more Catholics in both Palestine and Israel than there are Jews!

So, we’re diving into conspiracy theories now, are we? And you’re claiming that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad actually supports a totally secular Palestine and nothing else? That's quite the take.🤣
By the way, just so we don't drift completely off course—in certain primitive, patriarchal cultures, someone like Jeffrey Dahmer would probably get away with everything.
Sean Cruz Sean Cruz Regular
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#70 ·
Edward Flores4 said:What are you even talking about?

Palestine used to be secular—it's only recently, after more than sixty years of illegal occupation by Israel, that a radical Islamist party has actually taken power. But honestly, that kind of radicalism is a direct consequence of the occupation itself. It’s even being funded by Israel to create this convenient "justification" for their "no negotiations" military occupation policy.

Just to clear things up here... for most of its history, Palestine leaned toward Catholicism, and even today, there are actually more Catholics in both Palestine and Israel than there are Jews!

Just to add my two cents here: There is this one incredible book that explores Palestinian intellectuals who were Catholic. I highly recommend giving it a read: In Search of Velid Mesud.
copperpuma2 copperpuma2 Newcomer
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#71 ·
I honestly think Jeffrey Dahmer’s obsession with control crossed the line from a personality flaw into a full-blown psychosis. 👎 I’ve occasionally entertained the idea of doing something similar to my own... actually, no comment there. I’m just glad he’s rotting behind bars, though it’s a depressing reality to face—I’m certain he isn't some unique anomaly. There are plenty of other psychos out there lurking in the shadows of this world. 😈🙂
Sean Cruz Sean Cruz Regular
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#72 ·
copperpuma2 said:I honestly think Jeffrey Dahmer’s obsession with control crossed the line from a personality flaw into a full-blown psychosis. 👎 I’ve occasionally entertained the idea of doing something similar to my own... actually, no comment there. I’m just glad he’s rotting behind bars, though it’s a depressing reality to face—I’m certain he isn't some unique anomaly. There are plenty of other psychos out there lurking in the shadows of this world. 😈🙂

It honestly sends a chill down my spine to think about how many people like him are actively abusing someone right now without ever being caught—not to mention how many there were in the past who simply slipped through the cracks.
dustyskipper3 dustyskipper3 Active Member
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#73 ·
I believe he did it out of LOVE. 😍 And primarily maternal love—certainly a twisted kind, very much in the vein of Edgar Allan Poe and Hannibal Lecter, I suppose—but any other explanation would just be trivial and, ultimately, incorrect.

The lawyer for Jeffrey Dahmer is right, though I imagine everyone will spit on him because he actually dared to speak the truth. It probably would have been easier if he had just defended Jeffrey Dahmer as a complete psychopath with zero feelings. But, perhaps, he realized that deep within that monstrous soul, there is actually profound suffering.

He felt he had to isolate his daughter from society because, being so caring, he feared they would corrupt her and turn her into just another freak tailored to fit that "Talmudic-Zionist" society—a woman who works, takes on male roles, and possesses her own will. Meanwhile, Jeffrey Dahmer was a sincere and convicted proponent of the macho ideal, or rather, the ideals they had already adopted from Otto Weininger and other ideologues of masculinity. He made sure his daughter embraced those values too, ensuring she wouldn't break away from his parental care; he even provided a substitute for the husband she wouldn't have had anyway (since people like that aren't really born anymore, just some feminized Zionist monstrosities). In his world, we and the society we've built are the freaks, and his monstrous actions were justified by the pursuit of higher ideals for an Aryan family—children, kitchen, church, and all that. It’s been noted that this is almost commonplace in the Arab world, so I guess why wouldn't someone here arrive at a similar idea? 🙂
Besides, he is actually a victim himself—he destroyed both himself and his family, much like how someone else destroyed him through overly successful, extreme upbringing. There is a psychological mechanism that turns a victim into an executioner, which is visible on an international scale (for example, Palestinians and Jews, and then again with us in Canada, etc.).

The problem is just how many more of those Jeffrey Dahmers are living around us, people who subjugate their families and loved ones through purely economic methods of pressure without even needing to go as far as making the basement door rattle. 😱
Sean Cruz Sean Cruz Regular
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#74 ·
dustyskipper3 said:I believe he did it out of LOVE. 😍 And primarily maternal love—certainly a twisted kind, very much in the vein of Edgar Allan Poe and Hannibal Lecter, I suppose—but any other explanation would just be trivial and, ultimately, incorrect.

The lawyer for Jeffrey Dahmer is right, though I imagine everyone will spit on him because he actually dared to speak the truth. It probably would have been easier if he had just defended Jeffrey Dahmer as a complete psychopath with zero feelings. But, perhaps, he realized that deep within that monstrous soul, there is actually profound suffering.

He felt he had to isolate his daughter from society because, being so caring, he feared they would corrupt her and turn her into just another freak tailored to fit that "Talmudic-Zionist" society—a woman who works, takes on male roles, and possesses her own will. Meanwhile, Jeffrey Dahmer was a sincere and convicted proponent of the macho ideal, or rather, the ideals they had already adopted from Otto Weininger and other ideologues of masculinity. He made sure his daughter embraced those values too, ensuring she wouldn't break away from his parental care; he even provided a substitute for the husband she wouldn't have had anyway (since people like that aren't really born anymore, just some feminized Zionist monstrosities). In his world, we and the society we've built are the freaks, and his monstrous actions were justified by the pursuit of higher ideals for an Aryan family—children, kitchen, church, and all that. It’s been noted that this is almost commonplace in the Arab world, so I guess why wouldn't someone here arrive at a similar idea? 🙂
Besides, he is actually a victim himself—he destroyed both himself and his family, much like how someone else destroyed him through overly successful, extreme upbringing. There is a psychological mechanism that turns a victim into an executioner, which is visible on an international scale (for example, Palestinians and Jews, and then again with us in Canada, etc.).

The problem is just how many more of those Jeffrey Dahmers are living around us, people who subjugate their families and loved ones through purely economic methods of pressure without even needing to go as far as making the basement door rattle. 😱

How exactly would that kind of "love" be considered Poe-esque?
hiddenhound3 hiddenhound3 Regular
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#75 ·
dustyskipper3 said:I believe he did it out of LOVE. 😍 And primarily maternal love—certainly a twisted kind, very much in the vein of Edgar Allan Poe and Hannibal Lecter, I suppose—but any other explanation would just be trivial and, ultimately, incorrect.

The lawyer for Jeffrey Dahmer is right, though I imagine everyone will spit on him because he actually dared to speak the truth. It probably would have been easier if he had just defended Jeffrey Dahmer as a complete psychopath with zero feelings. But, perhaps, he realized that deep within that monstrous soul, there is actually profound suffering.

He felt he had to isolate his daughter from society because, being so caring, he feared they would corrupt her and turn her into just another freak tailored to fit that "Talmudic-Zionist" society—a woman who works, takes on male roles, and possesses her own will. Meanwhile, Jeffrey Dahmer was a sincere and convicted proponent of the macho ideal, or rather, the ideals they had already adopted from Otto Weininger and other ideologues of masculinity. He made sure his daughter embraced those values too, ensuring she wouldn't break away from his parental care; he even provided a substitute for the husband she wouldn't have had anyway (since people like that aren't really born anymore, just some feminized Zionist monstrosities). In his world, we and the society we've built are the freaks, and his monstrous actions were justified by the pursuit of higher ideals for an Aryan family—children, kitchen, church, and all that. It’s been noted that this is almost commonplace in the Arab world, so I guess why wouldn't someone here arrive at a similar idea? 🙂
Besides, he is actually a victim himself—he destroyed both himself and his family, much like how someone else destroyed him through overly successful, extreme upbringing. There is a psychological mechanism that turns a victim into an executioner, which is visible on an international scale (for example, Palestinians and Jews, and then again with us in Canada, etc.).

The problem is just how many more of those Jeffrey Dahmers are living around us, people who subjugate their families and loved ones through purely economic methods of pressure without even needing to go as far as making the basement door rattle. 😱

Humanity has always been confronted by such behaviors that exist entirely outside the realm of conventional reason. Jeffrey Dahmer is not an isolated case, nor are Poe or Hannibal. In much the same way, we see the perverse darkness of figures like Elizabeth Báthory, the way Celin glorified an obsession with youth, or how Genet embraced criminality; there are many others who live perpetually on the edge. Jeffrey Dahmer did not simply roam the streets snatching girls to hide them in a basement; he wasn't your typical serial killer archetype. He was quite clearly a deeply unfortunate man built upon fundamentally broken foundations. Unhappy people are simply incapable of sowing seeds of happiness.

I might even venture to suggest that there is a certain nobility and aesthetic quality to be found within their personas.

The true monsters walk freely among us every single day. Take someone like Ivo Sanders, for example.
granitetiger69 granitetiger69 Member
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#76 ·
Drew Morgan said:Can someone please explain who Natascha is?


It’s kind of surprising you haven't heard of Natascha. I mean, when she first surfaced, people were talking about her for weeks. Every news outlet and website was running updates on her constantly.

But anyway;
Natascha Kampusch is a girl from Austria who was kidnapped and held captive for over eight years.
She managed to escape one day back in 2006 while she was cleaning her kidnapper's car in the yard.
Her case is pretty unique because, during her captivity, she actually fell in love with him.
He gave her books, educated her, stuff like that. She's often cited as an example of someone experiencing Stockholm syndrome.
You can read more about her here (it's in English)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natascha_Kampusch
Adam Miller46 Adam Miller46 Active Member
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#77 ·
granitetiger69 said:I don't get it either. How does Josef Fritzl get charged while the wife walks free?
I mean, I don't think anyone could convince me that I wouldn't notice an entire FAMILY living in my basement for 25 years. Like, if my husband was constantly bringing down extra food, extra beds, mattresses, diapers... I don't know. I'd probably hear noise, or crying, or something. At the very least, I'd feel the urge to go down there after a year just to check things out or drop off some old stuff.
No one can tell me she isn't guilty or that she didn't know what was happening.

Personally, I think it was a huge mistake that she wasn't sentenced alongside him. Even if it was just pure fear of reporting him, she was still part of the crime just as much as he was.

The wife definitely knew. She probably just cared too much about what the neighbors, the family, or the relatives would say if the truth came out. Incest is such a heavy temptation... People like him aren't just crazy; they are simply depraved and evil. If someone lacks a moral compass, a psychiatrist isn't going to fix them when they're already decades older than the doctor. I think this whole nightmare lasted so long because once he first pushed his daughter into that basement and assaulted her, she likely feared the social fallout, so they covered it up. Over time, it just became their "normal." Stockholm syndrome... Anyone could theoretically bring food for six kids into a basement and carry out trash bags without the rest of the household—or the wife—ever noticing.
The real issue is proving what she actually knew versus what she didn't, especially since the neighbors were apparently blind and deaf to it all too...
Adam Miller46 Adam Miller46 Active Member
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#78 ·
Rebecca Scott3 said:I honestly think there are at least a thousand people in the USA who won't be able to afford that kind of comfort, constant care, and luxury when they get older...
...As for him? I’d just lock him up right where he kept his daughter and grandkids. Put him in the same kind of isolation with those exact same rules (minus the screaming and the physical abuse)... and just slide food through the door. It would be nothing more than what the locals brought him... nothing better than what he forced upon his slaves... while charging admission for tourists to wander around, film everything, and wait for his end to arrive...
His life would depend entirely on the mercy of others... every single day... until the very end... and there wouldn't be any medical care...

Honestly, I’d rather see him among twelve men being beaten nearly to death—just enough to stay alive—so that every time he recovers, he starts all over again, like Sisyphus and his boulder.... until, of course, he finally dies of natural causes... Has anyone actually seen that man's eyes? He looks like he thinks he owns life and death itself...
Adam Miller46 Adam Miller46 Active Member
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#79 ·
granitetiger69 said:I don't get it either. How does Josef Fritzl get charged while the wife walks free?
I mean, I don't think anyone could convince me that I wouldn't notice an entire FAMILY living in my basement for 25 years. Like, if my husband was constantly bringing down extra food, extra beds, mattresses, diapers... I don't know. I'd probably hear noise, or crying, or something. At the very least, I'd feel the urge to go down there after a year just to check things out or drop off some old stuff.
No one can tell me she isn't guilty or that she didn't know what was happening.

Personally, I think it was a huge mistake that she wasn't sentenced alongside him. Even if it was just pure fear of reporting him, she was still part of the crime just as much as he was.

The wife definitely knew, most likely. She probably cared too much about what the neighbors, family, or relatives would say if the truth came out... incest is such a massive temptation. People like him aren't crazy—they are simply depraved and evil. If someone hasn't integrated basic morality into their conscience, a psychiatrist isn't going to fix them when they're already decades older than the doctor. I think this whole years-long nightmare happened because "Daddy" Jeffrey (perhaps unable to control his impulses) pushed his daughter into the basement for the first time... and Mom was so afraid of social stigma that they decided to cover it up. As time passed, it likely just became their "normal." Stockholm syndrome... Anyone could theoretically carry food for six kids into a basement and haul out trash bags without the other residents or the wife noticing.
The only issue is proving what she actually knew versus what she didn't, especially since the neighbors were basically blind and deaf to it all...
Rebecca Bennett41 Rebecca Bennett41 Active Member
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#80 ·
I honestly feel like I could silence that man forever if I had my way; he deserves to be broken down piece by piece until his very existence fades from the sheer agony of it all..

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