Who watches the watchmen?

You wouldn't recognize sarcasm even if it knocked on your front door and introduced itself with a formal handshake 🙄 Hmmm... ☕

Wisdom isn't found by playing the controller, nor is it hidden in some struggle to master our emotions...
In our tribe, there is no hierarchy of who controls whom.
There is only one single consciousness within us all... what matters is how deeply we know ourselves and whether we understand what actually brings us joy versus what brings us misery...
Everything we wish we could hand over to a "controller" is just our own emotions...
Feelings don't come in neat, pre-measured doses, and you can't summon them on command.
They demand to be seen so they don't just sit there festering inside us.
A wise person knows how to vent them—letting them out constantly and without any shame
instead of letting them pile up... if you do that, they won't hit you quite as hard.
The "controller" doesn't exist because we have zero power over how emotions are created or how much of them we feel.
All we can do is let them out... and there’s no control in that process, only release.

P.S. placidharbor7, you're getting way too tangled up in this web of consciousness.

rowdyjackal5 said:Look, I don't get it. I believe in God, and someone else doesn't. That's fine. But I also believe that God has always existed and is infinite; therefore, asking "who created the God who has always existed" is fundamentally nonsensical within that framework. That's my context.

God isn't some external entity they promise us; God is just how we experience our own existence.
If we need a leader, then we need God.
If we have ourselves, then God is within us.
Because at the end of the day, all "God" represents is navigating your own life.

"I don't know if God exists. All I know is that I exist, and I trust myself whether I'm right or wrong."

Edward Flores4 said:You wouldn't recognize sarcasm even if it knocked on your front door and introduced itself with a formal handshake 🙄 Hmmm... ☕

Clumsiness is just one thing, but being this oblivious? That’s a whole different level of mess.

Jeffrey Gray4 said:Wisdom isn't found by playing the controller, nor is it hidden in some struggle to master our emotions...
In our tribe, there is no hierarchy of who controls whom.
There is only one single consciousness within us all... what matters is how deeply we know ourselves and whether we understand what actually brings us joy versus what brings us misery...
Everything we wish we could hand over to a "controller" is just our own emotions...
Feelings don't come in neat, pre-measured doses, and you can't summon them on command.
They demand to be seen so they don't just sit there festering inside us.
A wise person knows how to vent them—letting them out constantly and without any shame
instead of letting them pile up... if you do that, they won't hit you quite as hard.
The "controller" doesn't exist because we have zero power over how emotions are created or how much of them we feel.
All we can do is let them out... and there’s no control in that process, only release.

P.S. placidharbor7, you're getting way too tangled up in this web of consciousness.

Jeffrey Gray4 said:Wisdom isn't found by playing the controller, nor is it hidden in some struggle to master our emotions...
In our tribe, there is no hierarchy of who controls whom.
There is only one single consciousness within us all... what matters is how deeply we know ourselves and whether we understand what actually brings us joy versus what brings us misery...
Everything we wish we could hand over to a "controller" is just our own emotions...
Feelings don't come in neat, pre-measured doses, and you can't summon them on command.
They demand to be seen so they don't just sit there festering inside us.
A wise person knows how to vent them—letting them out constantly and without any shame
instead of letting them pile up... if you do that, they won't hit you quite as hard.
The "controller" doesn't exist because we have zero power over how emotions are created or how much of them we feel.
All we can do is let them out... and there’s no control in that process, only release.

P.S. placidharbor7, you're getting way too tangled up in this web of consciousness.

😕🙄🙂

It’s a recursive loop where one supervisor manages a manager, who in turn manages their own supervisor, effectively squaring the hierarchy...
With the understanding that those at the bottom remain strictly beholden to those positioned above them.

placidharbor7 said:Clumsiness is just one thing, but being this oblivious? That’s a whole different level of mess.

Well, it looks like that dog bit you right where it hurts.🤣

Jeffrey Gray4 said:God isn't some external entity they promise us; God is just how we experience our own existence.
If we need a leader, then we need God.
If we have ourselves, then God is within us.
Because at the end of the day, all "God" represents is navigating your own life.

"I don't know if God exists. All I know is that I exist, and I trust myself whether I'm right or wrong."

I couldn't agree more. God lives within us, tucked away in our hearts—it's essentially love planted inside us to guide our paths. That doesn't mean God isn't also infinite and eternal, though.

So, tell me, do "light wizards" actually exist?
My boss is constantly tinkering with light bulbs and wiring... I think he's trying to reinvent the wheel at this point.

placidharbor7 said:😕🙄🙂

You think you're talking to myself? Like I'd let someone like you control me?😉

Jeffrey Gray4 said:Wisdom isn't found by playing the controller, nor is it hidden in some struggle to master our emotions...
In our tribe, there is no hierarchy of who controls whom.
There is only one single consciousness within us all... what matters is how deeply we know ourselves and whether we understand what actually brings us joy versus what brings us misery...
Everything we wish we could hand over to a "controller" is just our own emotions...
Feelings don't come in neat, pre-measured doses, and you can't summon them on command.
They demand to be seen so they don't just sit there festering inside us.
A wise person knows how to vent them—letting them out constantly and without any shame
instead of letting them pile up... if you do that, they won't hit you quite as hard.
The "controller" doesn't exist because we have zero power over how emotions are created or how much of them we feel.
All we can do is let them out... and there’s no control in that process, only release.

P.S. placidharbor7, you're getting way too tangled up in this web of consciousness.

Could you walk me through your logic here?
I strongly disagree, and I can actually prove it through experience.

rowdyjackal5 said:Let me put it this way: you aren’t accountable to anyone else, but you’re certainly going to feel the fallout of your own negligence. I truly wish you nothing but luck in your future incarnations and hope you eventually reach a higher state of consciousness, but the lecturing ends here. Whether we believe in this stuff or not, my duty as a lightworker and a warrior is to enlighten you—but since you’re only answerable to yourself, I'm essentially hamstrung.
That isn't a direct quote; it’s just a paraphrase from my brilliant mind based on what I remember.

Fair point, Peter Phillips32. I haven't seen God or heard His voice personally, so if I say I feel Him in my heart, I suppose that's pure mystification. You're absolutely right. You and I are just frogs trying to grasp the concept of the ocean. How am I supposed to rationally explain eternity or the infinite to someone? Who has ever actually managed to do that with mere words?

Eternity is just the total absence of time.
Infinity is space without a starting line or a finish line.

If you ask me, all this mystical fluff is just unnecessary nonsense.

Peter Phillips32 said:Look, if you’ve actually managed to climb the ladder enough to become a supervisor, then you’ve basically set yourself up for the moment where you end up babysitting the very people who used to be your peers.

Chuck Norris, obviously.😁

I mean, if you actually look at the facts, everything points to that conclusion, much like this little bit of trivia regarding how omnipresent the man truly is, so listen closely:

Chuck Norris was actually the one who revealed the theory of relativity to humanity, specifically the part about the existence of massive parallel universes where a different version of Chuck exists in every single one of them. And when Albert Einstein tried to claim he’d discovered the theory himself, Chuck just gave him a solid left hook right to the jaw, which is why we all know Albert Einstein as Stephen Hawking today. 😁

Jeffrey Gray4 said:Emotions are constantly being generated as we experience the present moment.
We collect them inside ourselves, they pile up, and eventually, they become too heavy to carry.
By letting them out in small increments, we maintain our peace.

That’s just basic psychology.
I think you're mistaken if you believe you can actually silence emotions; sooner or later, they will explode unexpectedly.

Personal growth—which is essentially our individual consciousness at any given stage of life—is what makes emotions both the beauty and the fullness of existence, but also the burden, the unrest, and the discord. Do you agree?
I’m not talking about suppressed emotions. Those are definitely not healthy, and when the "cup overflows," they inevitably cause a break somewhere. But the issue isn't the emotions themselves; it’s us and our conscious mechanisms. It comes down to how we choose to react to a situation (an emotion). Will we be able to accept it and transform it through understanding or wisdom? Or will we suppress it, or react impulsively, swept away by the moment?
They are always there, just like reason. All that matters is the balance between the two. That balance is achieved through learning—through living, maturing, and doing the work... though some people never get there.
Emotions can be very effectively "quieted," but not through suppression or forced self-restraint. When you approach a situation—life itself—correctly, they feel less of a need to burst out unexpectedly, as 🙂
would say.

You're spot on, but you can't just bottle up your emotions. It’s not about the feelings we aren't afraid to let out; the real issue lies with the ones we label as dangerous.
We can make sense of our emotions and grasp our state of consciousness. Sure, once an emotion is triggered, you can't stop it or rewrite history, but you *can* change how you perceive everything around you. That’s how you prevent the bad stuff from taking root and actually foster the good.
The physical reality is that your body reacts regardless. When you're happy, you smile. When you're miserable, you might try to fake a grin, but you can't hide what's eating you alive—not from everyone, and certainly not from yourself.
Aggression doesn't always mean throwing punches or screaming your head off. Sometimes, it comes out through a calm, steady tone of voice.
There's a great saying that sums this up perfectly: "It's much easier to fake a feeling you don't have than to suppress one that you do."

Wait, is that the guy from the subway?

😂

Enforcement! - Tickets, please!😂

Riding without a valid pass—definitely the most expensive way to travel!😂

MTA—The Association of Emancipated Theologians!😂

Peter Phillips32 said:Look, ladies, of course it's possible, because those were just declarative statements in the first post.

What we’re really looking at here is Jiddu Krishnamurti’s whole observation about how trying to micromanage yourself—your thoughts, your moods, all that stuff—isn't actually the way to go; instead, you're supposed to just be this impartial observer. See, when you start trying to police your own brain, you run straight into that old dilemma: "Who watches the watchmen". When he was reading sections of his books, he’d toss that question out at his audience, and since they couldn't wrap their heads around an answer, they just swallowed his ideas whole as if they were absolute gospel. Instead of nudging people toward their own deep dives and independent thinking, he basically pushes his own perspectives as these untouchable truths.

Since everyone knows there isn't just one single road to reaching a destination, I’m going to take a crack at answering his question myself, and I'm honestly curious if anyone else has some different takes on it so maybe we can collectively stumble upon some alternative answers.

What nonsense. So, self-control is bad because we have to ask who controls the controller? And that's why we should just be observers? Fine—but then who's observing the observer?

Once you actually dive deep, there isn't even a controller or an observer left. It’s all one thing...☕

Charles Diaz56 said:😂

Enforcement! - Tickets, please!😂

Riding without a valid pass—definitely the most expensive way to travel!😂

MTA—The Association of Emancipated Theologians!😂

🤣 ... why "awakened" though?

Michael Anderson2 said:What nonsense. So, self-control is bad because we have to ask who controls the controller? And that's why we should just be observers? Fine—but then who's observing the observer?

Once you actually dive deep, there isn't even a controller or an observer left. It’s all one thing...☕

Look... control is essentially manipulation—it's this conscious process where you try to steer some subject around.

Observation, on the other hand, isn't this forced, manipulative effort. It's more like a physical reaction to a change in your environment—something that happens naturally without us having to step in and force it.

So, observing and controlling are two completely different animals. Control is an action, while observation is a reaction. An action requires a subject, which means you end up with two subjects: the one doing the controlling and the one being controlled! Observation is just you—the single subject—reacting to an external shift (which isn't a subject at all).

Which brings me to this... honestly, your question doesn't really hold water, and it seems like you haven't quite grasped what the actual issue with the "controller" is.

Trying to "control yourself" is a bit like practicing voluntary schizophrenia. People with schizophrenia don't choose their state, but "controllers" do it intentionally—they actually believe they're doing something productive, thinking they're "working on themselves." 🙂