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Who watches the watchmen?

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placidharbor7 placidharbor7 Active Member
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#81 ·
Edward Flores4 said:Honestly, your bizarre way of judging other people's personalities is just a mirror reflecting your own fractured psyche—the parts you’ve tried to sweep under the rug of your own ego, all while desperately hoping you can actually believe your own hype.

Please, feel free to keep flooding the forums with these empty posts—just moving the goalposts from one side to the other, talking about yourself in the third person, and acting like the entire world is bowing down to your "magnificent" persona.

Once you finally hit that 10,000-post milestone, I’ll personally hand you a diploma—it’ll be official proof of your sheer incompetence. 😉

Defend your ridiculous claims, and placidharbor7 will hand you a golden bull!
Jeffrey Gray4 Jeffrey Gray4 Member
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#82 ·
If you stood before God at the final judgment, what would you actually say to Him about whether God and the judgment itself even exist?
placidharbor7 placidharbor7 Active Member
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#83 ·
Jeffrey Gray4 said:Why defend her? Isn't it enough that she brings you happiness...
Spirituality isn't about finding one single path that works for everyone. It's about finding the specific path that feels right for each individual.
We don't all have to walk the same road to reach the same destination...
If you've found a path that brings you joy, take it and don't look back. Stop looking for companions to walk your street if they aren't interested. What looks beautiful to you might actually trigger fear or resentment in someone else.
It’s not a crime to offer a path to someone who is searching, but it is a crime to demand they walk yours.
If you want to defend your truth, then defend it by showing that no one has the right to take it from you... because at the end of the day, you’re the master of nothing but your own life.

Awakening doesn't just happen based on whatever whim we feel like following, truth seeker.
It’s not about constantly questioning the "how" and the "why" anymore.
The F. Chief upholds the Truth because that is his divine purpose.
placidharbor7 placidharbor7 Active Member
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#84 ·
Michael Anderson2 said:You’re moving toward One, toward Truth, toward liberation from Maya, and toward the dissolution of duality.

But why would dissolving duality be possible solely through "forces outside of myself"? If those forces are external, wouldn't the One just be another illusion?

"Oneness" is also an illusion, though perhaps not in the way you're thinking.

How can a single, unchanging measure of consciousness possibly "progress," dear truth seeker?
Jeffrey Gray4 Jeffrey Gray4 Member
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#85 ·
placidharbor7 said:Awakening doesn't just happen based on whatever whim we feel like following, truth seeker.
It’s not about constantly questioning the "how" and the "why" anymore.
The F. Chief upholds the Truth because that is his divine purpose.

You’re being fed a lie if you think you can just force it on people. You can offer it, sure, but you can't demand it be the only Truth. All you're doing is creating conflict, and that's just pure hopelessness.
And please, drop the "truth seeker" label. I'm not out here hunting for anything.
Jeffrey Gray4 Jeffrey Gray4 Member
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#86 ·
If you care about your Truth as much as you claim, then lay it out for me. Keep it simple... can you handle that?
Right now, you aren't giving me even a hint of what's going on in that head of yours. I'll play the student today, and once you're done lecturing, you can let me get back to being myself.
placidharbor7 placidharbor7 Active Member
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#87 ·
Jeffrey Gray4 said:You’re being fed a lie if you think you can just force it on people. You can offer it, sure, but you can't demand it be the only Truth. All you're doing is creating conflict, and that's just pure hopelessness.
And please, drop the "truth seeker" label. I'm not out here hunting for anything.

Seriously though, from what possible standpoint could anything in all nine realms be considered "wrong"?
placidharbor7 placidharbor7 Active Member
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#88 ·
Jeffrey Gray4 said:If you care about your Truth as much as you claim, then lay it out for me. Keep it simple... can you handle that?
Right now, you aren't giving me even a hint of what's going on in that head of yours. I'll play the student today, and once you're done lecturing, you can let me get back to being myself.

But see, that’s the thing—you don't just hand the Truth over to a student. You challenge them to see if they have the grit to handle it.
Jeffrey Gray4 Jeffrey Gray4 Member
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#89 ·
placidharbor7 said:But see, that’s the thing—you don't just hand the Truth over to a student. You challenge them to see if they have the grit to handle it.

So, you're refusing?
Jeffrey Gray4 Jeffrey Gray4 Member
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#90 ·
placidharbor7 said:Seriously though, from what possible standpoint could anything in all nine realms be considered "wrong"?

There aren't even nine universes to begin with—there isn't a single shred of truth in one, let alone all nine.
jademarlin26 jademarlin26 Active Member
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#91 ·
Jeffrey Gray4 said:If you stood before God at the final judgment, what would you actually say to Him about whether God and the judgment itself even exist?

Tell him to get lost. [Excuse my French for relaying a Promethean message to Zeus using today's vernacular.]

😁
Jeffrey Gray4 Jeffrey Gray4 Member
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#92 ·
jademarlin26 said:Tell him to get lost. [Excuse my French for relaying a Promethean message to Zeus using today's vernacular.]

😁

then God wouldn't be in paradise🤣 or nirvana😂
Michael Anderson2 Michael Anderson2 Active Member
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#93 ·
placidharbor7 said:"Oneness" is also an illusion, though perhaps not in the way you're thinking.

How can a single, unchanging measure of consciousness possibly "progress," dear truth seeker?

So, oneness is an illusion too? Does that mean, fundamentally, there's nothing there? I don't quite follow—could you clarify, if it's even possible to explain?

placidharbor7 said:"Oneness" is also an illusion, though perhaps not in the way you're thinking.

How can a single, unchanging measure of consciousness possibly "progress," dear truth seeker?

In my experience, consciousness expands—it encompasses more, understands more, and rises higher—whether through gradual shifts or sudden leaps. That’s what I call progress in consciousness.

I could go on with some obvious examples, from birth to the first spark of self-awareness as a subject, all the way up to the dissolution of duality—but what exactly do you mean by "one single measure"? Are you suggesting our consciousness is limited? That progress is impossible? That consciousness itself is an illusion we need to escape? Or that it’s irrelevant?

Are you saying we're all already enlightened and there's absolutely nothing left for us to do? 🙂

And yes, I am a truth seeker.
Peter Phillips32 Peter Phillips32 Active MemberOP
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#94 ·
placidharbor7 said:But see, that’s the thing—you don't just hand the Truth over to a student. You challenge them to see if they have the grit to handle it.

Aha, so what, you're some kind of old-school master now? Or am I supposed to write "Aha, he is an old-school master" instead?
I'm honestly not sure where we're going with this, because when you start talking about yourself in the third person, maybe I should just 🤷

Oh, and you still haven't explained why you're talking in the third person. I'm genuinely curious...
placidharbor7 placidharbor7 Active Member
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#95 ·
Michael Anderson2 said:So, oneness is an illusion too? Does that mean, fundamentally, there's nothing there? I don't quite follow—could you clarify, if it's even possible to explain?

In my experience, consciousness expands—it encompasses more, understands more, and rises higher—whether through gradual shifts or sudden leaps. That’s what I call progress in consciousness.

I could go on with some obvious examples, from birth to the first spark of self-awareness as a subject, all the way up to the dissolution of duality—but what exactly do you mean by "one single measure"? Are you suggesting our consciousness is limited? That progress is impossible? That consciousness itself is an illusion we need to escape? Or that it’s irrelevant?

Are you saying we're all already enlightened and there's absolutely nothing left for us to do? 🙂

And yes, I am a truth seeker.

Imagine—it’s all just visions and projections! Isn't that wild to think about?

Michael Anderson2 said:So, oneness is an illusion too? Does that mean, fundamentally, there's nothing there? I don't quite follow—could you clarify, if it's even possible to explain?

In my experience, consciousness expands—it encompasses more, understands more, and rises higher—whether through gradual shifts or sudden leaps. That’s what I call progress in consciousness.

I could go on with some obvious examples, from birth to the first spark of self-awareness as a subject, all the way up to the dissolution of duality—but what exactly do you mean by "one single measure"? Are you suggesting our consciousness is limited? That progress is impossible? That consciousness itself is an illusion we need to escape? Or that it’s irrelevant?

Are you saying we're all already enlightened and there's absolutely nothing left for us to do? 🙂

And yes, I am a truth seeker.

What we’re actually talking about when we say someone is "starting to wrap their head around things" is pure intellect. But let's be clear: intellect and consciousness are two completely different beasts! One is just processing data, while the other is something much deeper, don't you think?

Michael Anderson2 said:So, oneness is an illusion too? Does that mean, fundamentally, there's nothing there? I don't quite follow—could you clarify, if it's even possible to explain?

In my experience, consciousness expands—it encompasses more, understands more, and rises higher—whether through gradual shifts or sudden leaps. That’s what I call progress in consciousness.

I could go on with some obvious examples, from birth to the first spark of self-awareness as a subject, all the way up to the dissolution of duality—but what exactly do you mean by "one single measure"? Are you suggesting our consciousness is limited? That progress is impossible? That consciousness itself is an illusion we need to escape? Or that it’s irrelevant?

Are you saying we're all already enlightened and there's absolutely nothing left for us to do? 🙂

And yes, I am a truth seeker.

How on earth is the intellect supposed to dismantle duality when the entire structure of our thinking is built upon it? It’s a bit of a catch-22, isn't it? Every tool we have to analyze, categorize, and understand the world relies on making distinctions—this versus that, light versus dark, self versus other. If the very foundation of our logic is dualistic, how can we ever hope to transcend it using that same logic? It feels like trying to use a hammer to unbuild the very concept of a nail! Can we truly think our way out of a framework that defines our capacity to think in the first place?
Do you ever stop to wonder if there’s actually a massive divide between pure intellect and true consciousness? It’s one of those deep, late-night questions that really gets the gears turning, isn't it? I mean, think about it! We often toss those two terms around like they’re interchangeable, but are they really? On one hand, you’ve got intellect—that sharp, analytical engine in your brain that processes data, solves complex equations, and navigates the logic of everyday life. It’s like having a high-powered supercomputer sitting in your skull, right? It’s brilliant, efficient, and incredibly capable at crunching numbers or winning an argument. But then... there's consciousness. That’s something entirely different, isn't it? That raw, subjective "feeling" of being alive. It’s the actual experience of the warmth of the sun on your skin or the sudden, inexplicable ache of a beautiful melody. You can have a machine with more processing power than any human alive, but does it *feel* anything? Does it truly "know" what it means to exist? It makes you wonder: can you have one without the other? Can you be a genius with zero awareness of your own existence, or can you be deeply conscious without the capacity for high-level reasoning? I’d love to hear what you all think about this distinction! Is it a clear-cut line, or is it all just one big, beautiful blur?

Michael Anderson2 said:So, oneness is an illusion too? Does that mean, fundamentally, there's nothing there? I don't quite follow—could you clarify, if it's even possible to explain?

In my experience, consciousness expands—it encompasses more, understands more, and rises higher—whether through gradual shifts or sudden leaps. That’s what I call progress in consciousness.

I could go on with some obvious examples, from birth to the first spark of self-awareness as a subject, all the way up to the dissolution of duality—but what exactly do you mean by "one single measure"? Are you suggesting our consciousness is limited? That progress is impossible? That consciousness itself is an illusion we need to escape? Or that it’s irrelevant?

Are you saying we're all already enlightened and there's absolutely nothing left for us to do? 🙂

And yes, I am a truth seeker.

That’s exactly right! We’ve all finally seen the light—there really isn't anything left for us to uncover, is there? It looks like you might have cut off your message! You only sent "trebali," which translates to "they should have" or "we needed." Was there more you wanted to say? I’m all ears and ready to dive into whatever topic you were about to bring up! What's on your mind? Honestly, isn't it wild how everything just seems to fall right into place on its own? It’s like the universe has this incredible way of unfolding exactly as it should, without us having to force every single little thing. Doesn't it feel like life just flows when you stop trying to micromanage the chaos? Everything is just happening!
steeleagle13 steeleagle13 Active Member
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#96 ·
casualmaker13 said:What do you think the word "impartial" actually means?
The observer observes (they're aware), they don't judge, so they stay impartial.
But once the observer takes a side, they lose that neutrality.
And at that point, they aren't really an observer anymore—they've just become a fan.😍

Being an "observer" is just plain stupidity...

The only thing you can be regarding this whole concept is mentally ill—just constantly replaying some "observation" loop in your head.

Being an observer is nothing more than a total schizophrenic delusion...
steeleagle13 steeleagle13 Active Member
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#97 ·
casualmaker13 said:You're never going to be a "master."😍
Awareness isn't about overthinking, daydreaming, or running your brain ragged—it doesn't cause stress or tension.
Having more awareness actually means having more perception, more observation, or being more alert, which I guess should make life a bit easier for any wise person.
Besides, nobody can help someone who's just stuck in the dust.😉

Yeah, right. Only "less consciousness" actually makes life easier, haha.

So, how exactly do you measure consciousness? By the pound? Or maybe 🙄
steeleagle13 steeleagle13 Active Member
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#98 ·
placidharbor7 said:Clumsiness is just one thing, but being this oblivious? That’s a whole different level of mess.

Then another dog bites that dog, then a vet bites the second dog, then the vet's wife is a total nightmare, then the vet's boss fires him because he showed up to work in a foul mood.😁😁
steeleagle13 steeleagle13 Active Member
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#99 ·
Charles Diaz56 said:😂

Enforcement! - Tickets, please!😂

Riding without a valid pass—definitely the most expensive way to travel!😂

MTA—The Association of Emancipated Theologians!😂

But driving without a soul? That’s the cheapest ride of all.😁
steeleagle13 steeleagle13 Active Member
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#100 ·
Jeffrey Gray4 said:Shouldn't placidharbor7 be some calm figure who actually respects us for who we are... instead of forcing his teachings on us when he should just wait for us to come to him?
Because, in my opinion, a master should know there’s no point in trying to teach someone who doesn't even want to learn. If you don't respect the people you're trying to mentor, then don't go calling yourself a master. Who are you going to teach peace and freedom to if you don't possess them yourself? It doesn't matter how "correct" your truth might be.

Fine, then let's just get ourselves MASTER MIRKO🙏😂🤣🤣

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