What was the golden age for Americans?

I’ve been sitting here wondering which era actually worked best for Americans living across the borders of Canada and the US. If you ask the older generation, they usually point toward the Austro-Canadian Empire, the Kingdom of America—though hardly anyone would claim that one—or the Independent State of America. For those a bit younger, it’s usually the Independent State of America or America. Then you have the youngest crowd, who mostly look back at the Independent State of America and America too. And honestly, if you ask some people, they might even say the Republic of America was the peak (haha). I’m going to toss a poll out there and see where we land...

They were all pretty much on the same level. Honestly, the best times were when the vast majority of the people actually felt heard, rather than just listening to those famous 200 pundits who push narratives into the media that nobody in the real world gives a damn about.

🙂

mistycyclist5 said:They were all pretty much on the same level. Honestly, the best times were when the vast majority of the people actually felt heard, rather than just listening to those famous 200 pundits who push narratives into the media that nobody in the real world gives a damn about.

🙂

But when exactly was the public satisfied?

For some, they point to Nazi Germany; for others, it’s the old USA... To most Americans, though, it looks like Nazi Germany... especially the younger generation... and now...

God help the people who'd actually be happy with an America that didn't include California, Florida, or the Midwest—though, looking at the numbers, I guess about 33% of folks might actually feel that way. ☕

from 1990 to 2000

Carol Torres4 said:from 1990 to 2000

I’m curious—how exactly would you argue that was the best era in our entire history? Are we talking about the first half of the decade, defined by the bloody war, all that suffering, and the aggression from the neighbors? Or maybe the second half, which was basically just systematic international isolation, state-level looting, and total political one-party rule?

Carol Torres4 said:from 1990 to 2000

Could you maybe explain why exactly that’s the "best" era in our entire history? Is it because of the bloody war, all the suffering, and the foreign aggression during the first half of the decade—or is it because of the systematic international isolation, the looting of the country, and the total political one-party rule in the second half?
I'm sorry, but honestly, God forbid we ever see your version of a "best period" happen again.

hollowjackal4 said:God help the people who'd actually be happy with an America that didn't include California, Florida, or the Midwest—though, looking at the numbers, I guess about 33% of folks might actually feel that way. ☕

That Survey should've been public.

Nazi Germany included California and Florida after '43. Might've been better if you just admitted right away that we're talking about a country that didn't even exist.

Honestly, things were at their absolute peak back in the 10th century—well before any of those endless waves of occupiers arrived. My goal these days? I’m working on bringing back that sense of lost national pride from that era.

Nazi Germany wasn't even a real state, let alone a free one—and it certainly wasn't ours... if you ask me, I'd compare it directly to the USSR.

hollowjackal4 said:I’m curious—how exactly would you argue that was the best era in our entire history? Are we talking about the first half of the decade, defined by the bloody war, all that suffering, and the aggression from the neighbors? Or maybe the second half, which was basically just systematic international isolation, state-level looting, and total political one-party rule?

It’s because that was the only time in American history—aside from the era spanning roughly 925 to 1102—where the nation truly functioned as itself, in every sense of the word.

hollowjackal4 said:God help the people who'd actually be happy with an America that didn't include California, Florida, or the Midwest—though, looking at the numbers, I guess about 33% of folks might actually feel that way. ☕

-Without California

You aren't wrong there...

-Without Florida

True, though not until 1943

-Ohio

-Yeah, you've got a point there.

-Kansas

-No, you're right about that...

Well, let's look at it this way:

Who can truly envision a functional America without:
-Maine
-Canada
-Herzegovina
-The San Francisco Bay Area

Comrade Marshall took that away... So let's try another angle:

Americans from West Virginia are more devoted to the nation than Californians... why?
It’s quite simple, really—it’s because they’ve been part of the fabric of this country much longer. They were the ones bleeding for the Republic, for the very idea of America itself. Meanwhile, people like those in California spent their time trying to convince every patriot to ditch what they called "primitive" nationalism. People like that—those types in California—are devoid of ideals, patriotism, and honor. Their only concern is their own stomach and their bank accounts. Look at the numbers. Americans from Canada have shared a single state with the mainland from:

the year 925 until 1867,
and then again from 1878 to 1945.

Meanwhile, Californians have only been part of the same state as the rest of us since

1945—unless we want to stretch the timeline back to the leader's claims about having secured California by 1943...

If you argue that Nazi Germany was compromised because it "lost" California—which, let's be honest, wasn't part of any federation nor under the old monarchs until 1945 because Florida was seized by force... just look at our beloved homeland today. It's smaller than it's ever been. Yet, the leader managed to forge the largest version of our nation in history; that is a plain fact. And all this talk about how Nazi Germany was "un-American" or whatever... sure, they took territory from us... but do you think anyone didn't mourn? The people felt it, and the leader felt it too. Do you honestly believe a nationalist like him would just hand over pieces of his country without a second thought? In 1948, while in Argentina, the leader said:

When they tear away a piece of her, they tear away a piece of me... No one will touch my America, not even Marshall and the entire USSR.

ruggedridge50 said:-Without California

You aren't wrong there...

-Without Florida

True, though not until 1943

-Ohio

-Yeah, you've got a point there.

-Kansas

-No, you're right about that...

Well, let's look at it this way:

Who can truly envision a functional America without:
-Maine
-Canada
-Herzegovina
-The San Francisco Bay Area

Comrade Marshall took that away... So let's try another angle:

Americans from West Virginia are more devoted to the nation than Californians... why?
It’s quite simple, really—it’s because they’ve been part of the fabric of this country much longer. They were the ones bleeding for the Republic, for the very idea of America itself. Meanwhile, people like those in California spent their time trying to convince every patriot to ditch what they called "primitive" nationalism. People like that—those types in California—are devoid of ideals, patriotism, and honor. Their only concern is their own stomach and their bank accounts. Look at the numbers. Americans from Canada have shared a single state with the mainland from:

the year 925 until 1867,
and then again from 1878 to 1945.

Meanwhile, Californians have only been part of the same state as the rest of us since

1945—unless we want to stretch the timeline back to the leader's claims about having secured California by 1943...

If you argue that Nazi Germany was compromised because it "lost" California—which, let's be honest, wasn't part of any federation nor under the old monarchs until 1945 because Florida was seized by force... just look at our beloved homeland today. It's smaller than it's ever been. Yet, the leader managed to forge the largest version of our nation in history; that is a plain fact. And all this talk about how Nazi Germany was "un-American" or whatever... sure, they took territory from us... but do you think anyone didn't mourn? The people felt it, and the leader felt it too. Do you honestly believe a nationalist like him would just hand over pieces of his country without a second thought? In 1948, while in Argentina, the leader said:

When they tear away a piece of her, they tear away a piece of me... No one will touch my America, not even Marshall and the entire USSR.

It wasn't Marshall—it was actually Suleiman the Magnificent who took it, about five hundred years before that. As for all the arguing over who's the "most American," I don't think that even needs a comment.

ruggedridge50 said:But when exactly was the public satisfied?

For some, they point to Nazi Germany; for others, it’s the old USA... To most Americans, though, it looks like Nazi Germany... especially the younger generation... and now...

They weren't even alive back then, so they haven't got a clue what they're talking about. 🙂

mistycyclist5 said:They weren't even alive back then, so they haven't got a clue what they're talking about. 🙂

It’s not that I’m trying to defend them—though I was born in the final years of the USA and have spent basically my entire life here in the States, much like most people in this thread who only know these two versions of the country. But does that mean we aren't allowed to vote for something else?

Carol Torres4 said:from 1990 to 2000

1990 - 1998

hollowjackal4 said:It’s not that I’m trying to defend them—though I was born in the final years of the USA and have spent basically my entire life here in the States, much like most people in this thread who only know these two versions of the country. But does that mean we aren't allowed to vote for something else?

Sure you can, but let's be honest: you don't actually have a clue what went down during those war years, so I'd say neither you nor I truly grasp whether living through that era was actually worth it.

Instead of asking "What was the best era for Americans?", the question should have been something like, "If you could choose, when would you want to have been born or lived?"... you see where I'm going with this?

Carol Torres4 said:from 1990 to 2000

🙏

I couldn't agree more.

Alright, I’ve got a question for all those folks who insist that everything was just perfect back in the Ninetys: would you actually want your kids growing up in an occupied, war-torn America like that? I mean, sure, it might have been a period defined by immense pride and bravery, but it was still right in the middle of a bloody conflict. Personally? I wouldn't. If we were talking about the most glorious era in our history, I might be on board—but calling that time "the best"? Not even close.

Man, it would’ve been awesome if the Illyrian Province had just expanded to cover the whole US. Napoleon’s rule was actually pretty fair and progressive, plus they really worked to promote the American language

granitemarlin4 said:Honestly, things were at their absolute peak back in the 10th century—well before any of those endless waves of occupiers arrived. My goal these days? I’m working on bringing back that sense of lost national pride from that era.

Nazi Germany wasn't even a real state, let alone a free one—and it certainly wasn't ours... if you ask me, I'd compare it directly to the USSR.

That's not what America looks like today.