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casualtiger2 casualtiger2 RegularOP
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#21 ·
Benjamin Long said:If one were to employ even a shred of logical reasoning instead of posing a question that essentially ignores the core issue—turning it into a mere rhetorical deflection through that dismissive "I don't know" at the start—one might have considered a much more productive path:
- if there is indeed an issue, perhaps there is some underlying injustice regarding the entire matter.

In light of such a suspicion, wouldn't it be more appropriate to seek an impartial review of the case? Unfortunately, that isn't happening here. Your attitude toward Kenneth Peterson5 suggests you aren't even questioning the validity of his inquiry, yet you simultaneously imply this has nothing to do with the actual facts. It seems you are simply showing favoritism toward certain forum members who happen to think differently than Kenneth Peterson5, all without even bothering to look into the specifics of the case! It almost feels as though you've preemptively decided that Kenneth Peterson5's suggestions aren't worth considering. Might I ask, what exactly is your reasoning for that?

That's just not true.
1. I already said I'd get to the whole Alim thing and the stories as soon as I have a moment.
2. Honestly, I don't know, and I really don't feel like digging into why she "got hung up" on it. Sure, an injustice is a valid reason to act, but I'm not a fan of trying to fix every single bend in the Mississippi River based on every little excuse.
3. If you're expecting me to be impartial? No way.
I like some people here more than others. My criteria are pretty simple: how they write and how they behave on the forum. Because of that, my likes and dislikes shift around. Besides, I already mentioned that I actually agree with some of Kenneth Peterson5's views. Right now, though, Tatyana's vibe just aligns better with what I'm trying to achieve in terms of "fixing" things around here.

Same goes for you—enough with the talk about Alim, Kenneth Peterson5, and Tatyana.
Got anything to say regarding the pros and cons of the spirituality-religion forum?
casualtiger2 casualtiger2 RegularOP
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joined Apr 2022
#22 ·
Edward Flores4 said:"Bringing something to the table" is such a loaded phrase... I’m not really out here making offers. Part of that is just pure laziness on my part, but the other part is this belief that everything should be exactly how it is—messy and imperfect. See, perfection is an endpoint, and once you hit the end of everything, there's nothing left to do 🙂

Honestly, after your last post, I don't feel like I have much more to contribute to the core subject. That post from Amanda Roberts21 did a stellar job of distilling the essentials. We should probably be paying attention to the ideas themselves rather than getting hung up on people's identities. If anything, that should be the "trademark" of any spiritual pursuit... don't you think?

You definitely caught onto my temperament... though I wouldn't say my fuse is short, it's more that I tend to get "hooked" on things—and yeah, you nailed it. I have plenty of patience to go around, but I don't just hand it out to anyone by default. I reserve my patience for good ideas; when it comes to people obsessing over their own identities, I usually just meet them with my own stubborn sense of self.

Looking at what you wrote, though, your vision for how moderation should work is actually quite sound, and I don't really have anything to argue with. This PDF has some genuinely solid concepts buried in there, but they're pretty deeply smothered by vanity and this constant parade of egos. I wish you nothing but luck and a massive amount of patience with the moderator duties... you're going to need it, because that "ego parade" always seems to happen right under the noses of local "dictators."

Just so we're clear, I don't expect the members or the mods to put up with my little "avatar strolls," so if I ever get banned for being a nuisance, I totally get it. I realize that letting me slide might trigger a massive protest right outside the "main office," and I know firsthand that dealing with those kinds of crowds can be a real pain in the ass. 🙂

Anyway... that's all I've got on the topic. 😁

I don't buy the lazy act. You write well and with plenty of depth. 😍
Your "philosophy" is more than enough for me.

Quincy:
Attention should be paid to ideas, not identities. That ought to be the trademark of psychedelic spirituality... right?
...
This PDF has some genuinely great ideas, but they're buried pretty deep under all the fashion statements and identity parades. Good luck with the moderation—you’ll need it—because those "identity parades" always seem to happen right outside the window of local "dictators."
As for dictators, I couldn't care less.
But I'm not sure just focusing on ideas is a productive way to run this forum. The reality is we only see what's typed—just fragments of thought—not the history, the context, or the intent behind them. We don't get to experience someone's emotions, their smile, their tears, or even their eyes, let alone what they've been through.
Behind every username is a living, breathing person. And every person is a star in their own right.
So, separating spirituality from personality—from its struggles, abilities, hopes, and fears—seems wrong to me. Even if it is the ego, it's the only tool we have to act like a small lamp, lighting up the darkness around us. So I say—let's embrace our personalities, our egos.
And for those who are "above it all," well, it doesn't matter anyway. Those who get it, will get it.

Quincy:
You caught my short fuse perfectly... actually, it's not that the fuse is short, it's just that I tend to "get hooked" on things—and that's spot on. I have plenty of patience, but I don't just hand it out by default. I give my patience to ideas; I give my own stubbornness to annoying identities.
Yet, you were perfectly civil with my slightly provocative questions. 👍

Quincy:
I don't expect the members or the mods to tolerate my "avatar strolls," so if I ever get banned for it... I'll give you full credit. I know that tolerating it might trigger mass protests right outside the moderator's balcony, and I know that can be a real pain in the ass. 🙂

Anyway... staying on topic. 😁
I have zero intention of banning anyone right now—especially not high-quality contributors like you. Honestly, the thought of banning someone (or even just deleting a post) is pretty distasteful to me. We're all grown-ups here—smart people who are also into spiritual matters—so I’m sure we can just talk things out.
I really hope I never have to pull that moderation lever, unless things get absolutely extreme.
Richard Walker79 Richard Walker79 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#23 ·
casualtiger2 said:Hey everyone,
It’s been a minute since I’ve been active here—and now, out of nowhere, I’ve been tapped as a moderator. So, I’m asking you all to jump into this poll so I can get a decent pulse on where we actually stand right now.
I want to hear from the old guard—the "seasoned veterans" who probably use this place as their digital fountain of youth 😉—as well as the newcomers who just joined the party.
The site changes every single day, obviously, and I know "quality" is a pretty hard thing to pin down—especially on a Spirituality Forum—but I think it’s worth taking a snapshot of where we are in this little corner of the internet.

So, here are some prompts to get us started (feel free to throw in your own thoughts too):
- What do you think of the forum over the last few weeks or months?
- What are you actually enjoying?
- What’s getting on your nerves?
- How could we make this better (if it even needs it)? Basically, what’s missing?
(Just trying to make sure everyone stays happy while reading or posting. 🙂)

Look, I know everyone’s going to have subjective takes—some might even be total opposites—so please, let’s avoid any heated arguments over whose opinion is "right." A cool, civil dialogue is always welcome, though.

Since I’ve posted quite a bit myself, here’s my quick, telegraphic take on how things feel to me.

I’ve only really been active here for about two years—even though I registered ages ago for one specific post, then basically went ghost. For a while, this felt like a great spot, both for the community and the topics. But lately, it feels like things have slipped a bit. Part of that was the chaos regarding where we'd host the site, part was the struggle to find permanent moderators—even though, honestly, every mod I've worked with so far has done a killer job—and part was losing some core members who really made this place what it was. It led to this weird illusion that there's some massive drama happening in real life outside of these threads. 😁 Plus, at one point, it felt like a bunch of argumentative personalities were starting to take over.

That said, over the last week or two, it feels like the spiral is finally turning back upward—both in terms of how people talk and the actual content being shared. I’d love to do whatever I can in my capacity to keep that momentum going.

I’ll be opening a dedicated thread soon specifically for moderation and direct communication.

I would kindly ask that the thread regarding "(Evil) drug use and spirituality?" be renamed to something more appropriate, as the word "drugs" carries such a negative and derogatory connotation.
My suggestion: "Psychedelic spirituality."
casualtiger2 casualtiger2 RegularOP
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#24 ·
Richard Walker79 said:I would kindly ask that the thread regarding "(Evil) drug use and spirituality?" be renamed to something more appropriate, as the word "drugs" carries such a negative and derogatory connotation.
My suggestion: "Psychedelic spirituality."

Look, people can't possibly read everything posted here.
The current title works fine for me, and there are a few reasons why.
1. My (more experienced) fellow moderator changed it.
2. I don't have any personal experience with drugs—and honestly, I'm not a big fan of using them for spiritual purposes (maybe in extreme cases, during specific developmental stages, under strict supervision, and for very select individuals)
3. It's good that this topic exists and that we're discussing it, but don't expect me to be particularly sympathetic—the damage people suffer is just too high (I've seen it firsthand in my own circle) for me to easily buy into the whole "using drugs for spiritual growth" idea—especially since some teenagers probably read this forum too.
4. In my view, there are no shortcuts on the spiritual path, and drugs aren't going to help you get there.

The title stays.
Andrew Sanchez572 Andrew Sanchez572 Active Member
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joined Dec 2010
#25 ·
I am firmly in favor of the idea that spirituality should return to the realm of religion.
Richard Walker79 Richard Walker79 Active Member
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#26 ·
casualtiger2 said:Look, people can't possibly read everything posted here.
The current title works fine for me, and there are a few reasons why.
1. My (more experienced) fellow moderator changed it.
2. I don't have any personal experience with drugs—and honestly, I'm not a big fan of using them for spiritual purposes (maybe in extreme cases, during specific developmental stages, under strict supervision, and for very select individuals)
3. It's good that this topic exists and that we're discussing it, but don't expect me to be particularly sympathetic—the damage people suffer is just too high (I've seen it firsthand in my own circle) for me to easily buy into the whole "using drugs for spiritual growth" idea—especially since some teenagers probably read this forum too.
4. In my view, there are no shortcuts on the spiritual path, and drugs aren't going to help you get there.

The title stays.

Well, even if you haven't personally tried anything, I'm sure you're at least aware of how psychedelic spirituality has been practiced in India, Mexico, the USA, Jamaica, and so on...

Quincy:
3. It's good that this topic exists and is being discussed, but please don't expect any sympathy from my side. People suffer far too much damage—I've seen it firsthand in my own circles—for me to just casually accept the idea of "using drugs for spiritual growth," especially since teenagers are likely reading this forum too.


I honestly don't understand why we're insisting on using the derogatory and offensive term "drugs," which immediately brings an addict to mind...
When we are actually talking about psychedelic spirituality involving natural psychedelics rather than street drugs.
Teenagers actually *should* be reading this to get educated rather than being scared off... though that’s a weak excuse on your part since teenagers generally aren't interested in spirituality anyway.

Quincy:
4. I believe there are no shortcuts on the spiritual path, and substances won't help you there.

The title stays.
Personally, I believe that natural psychedelics are essential and irreplaceable (meditation and other practices are merely human-made substitutes for psychedelics) in spiritual development.
You can think whatever you want, but reality and history tell a different story.
You've stated your opinion, but it conflicts with freedom of speech and restricts the freedom to practice spirituality. In my view, you shouldn't let your personal biases dictate your moderator decisions.
Otherwise, you're just acting like a total autocrat.

Basically, the word "drugs" is just an insulting label used by those against psychedelic spirituality. You are completely ignoring that point.
Richard Walker79 Richard Walker79 Active Member
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#27 ·
Andrew Sanchez572 said:I am firmly in favor of the idea that spirituality should return to the realm of religion.

But why is spirituality even under philosophy? Honestly, spirituality has nothing to do with intellect, and it doesn't even have much to do with religion! It really needs its own dedicated forum.
Andrew Sanchez572 Andrew Sanchez572 Active Member
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joined Dec 2010
#28 ·
Richard Walker79 said:But why is spirituality even under philosophy? Honestly, spirituality has nothing to do with intellect, and it doesn't even have much to do with religion! It really needs its own dedicated forum.

Well, regardless, I personally feel like the vibe over there is much better...😬 you don't have all those cliques and the constant insults, so I figured, hey, maybe some of the spiritual folks will migrate there too. Here, things feel a bit too close to Psychology.😛
Plus, I’m constantly posting either in Satanism or right here, and honestly, I just can't be bothered to keep switching my profile settings. Something pops into my head while I'm over there, and I want to double-check it here, but by the time I actually bother changing my profile, the thought has already evaporated, man... hahaha...
Maybe they could put it under other arts? 😂🤣 Or even Health, since that's where everyone seems to be heading lately... 😂

Actually, it would probably be best to just have a spirituality-religion forum.
Then everyone would be happy...
Jeremy Palmer Jeremy Palmer Member
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joined Jan 2008
#29 ·
Richard Walker79 said:I would kindly ask that the thread regarding "(Evil) drug use and spirituality?" be renamed to something more appropriate, as the word "drugs" carries such a negative and derogatory connotation.
My suggestion: "Psychedelic spirituality."

Why are you trying to sugarcoat the word drugs?

And why should the rest of us go along with it? If you think using them is perfectly fine, then the terminology shouldn't bother you so much.

It’s not about being a snake, it's just about calling things what they are...

Personally, I think it's fine for this topic to exist; it caters to the interests of the community and active members here on the spirituality-religion forum. However, changing the title just to soothe people's egos feels unnecessary. No one is calling you an addict, but there is a very thin line that users often don't realize they've crossed. Real recovery starts when someone admits they have a problem, and by then, it's usually quite late because denial is such a powerful force for anyone struggling with substance use.

When I look at the forum homepage, I see so many birthday wishes, and it's become pretty clear to me that we have a lot of minors hanging out here. We have kids who are only 12 or 13, high schoolers, and plenty of teenagers reading everything you post... In the US, kids often try their first joint during high school. If we all start babying the subject—pretending drugs are just "little treats" or divine gifts—what kind of message are we actually sending to those kids?
Richard Walker79 Richard Walker79 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#30 ·
Andrew Sanchez572 said:Well, regardless, I personally feel like the vibe over there is much better...😬 you don't have all those cliques and the constant insults, so I figured, hey, maybe some of the spiritual folks will migrate there too. Here, things feel a bit too close to Psychology.😛
Plus, I’m constantly posting either in Satanism or right here, and honestly, I just can't be bothered to keep switching my profile settings. Something pops into my head while I'm over there, and I want to double-check it here, but by the time I actually bother changing my profile, the thought has already evaporated, man... hahaha...
Maybe they could put it under other arts? 😂🤣 Or even Health, since that's where everyone seems to be heading lately... 😂

Actually, it would probably be best to just have a spirituality-religion forum.
Then everyone would be happy...

Given everything going on right now, focusing on faith—or religion, specifically—is probably the smartest move. 🙂
casualtiger2 casualtiger2 RegularOP
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#31 ·
Richard Walker79 said:I honestly believe psychedelic spirituality is mandatory and irreplaceable—meditation and those other practices are just human-made substitutes for psychedelics—when it comes to spiritual growth.
You can think whatever you want, but reality tells a different story, and history backs me up.
You’ve stated your opinion, which goes against free speech and restricts the freedom to practice spirituality; I don't think you should be using your personal views to drive your moderator decisions.
Otherwise, you're just a straight-up autocrat.

Basically, using the word "drugs" is just an insulting slur used by anyone opposed to using psychedelics for spiritual purposes. You're ignoring that argument entirely.

An autocrat? Please. Take it or leave it. 😍
Didn't expect us to dive into the whole "evil moderator" vs. "righteous wolf" drama this quickly.
Instead of us chasing each other around the forum later, here's my honest suggestion—go gather more than half the votes from active users who want me to retire into legend—voluntarily.

You believe what you believe, and I believe what I believe. It's fine. I'm not banning anyone's "freedom to practice spirituality." The fact that you feel spirituality *must* involve drugs is your issue—and eventually, it'll be an issue for your family, the police, or the courts. Plenty of people understand spirituality differently. So, you're in the minority, and as such, you have all the rights and responsibilities of a minority. Pure democracy.

Maybe you're one of those "drugs elevated me, thank God" types, but hundreds of thousands of others found enlightenment through something else.
And for the record, I'm not banning "free speech"—you've got plenty of threads, and you're free to say what you think right here. So, stop making things up.
As far as I'm concerned—the end.
casualtiger2 casualtiger2 RegularOP
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#32 ·
Andrew Sanchez572 said:I am firmly in favor of the idea that spirituality should return to the realm of religion.

Look, spirituality exists wherever it wants to—it doesn't really care about location.
It could be happening on the moon for all I care—as long as you're writing something wise, that's what matters.

Alright people, let's hear it. 😁
Richard Walker79 Richard Walker79 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#33 ·
Jeremy Palmer said:Why are you trying to sugarcoat the word drugs?

And why should the rest of us go along with it? If you think using them is perfectly fine, then the terminology shouldn't bother you so much.

It’s not about being a snake, it's just about calling things what they are...

Personally, I think it's fine for this topic to exist; it caters to the interests of the community and active members here on the spirituality-religion forum. However, changing the title just to soothe people's egos feels unnecessary. No one is calling you an addict, but there is a very thin line that users often don't realize they've crossed. Real recovery starts when someone admits they have a problem, and by then, it's usually quite late because denial is such a powerful force for anyone struggling with substance use.

When I look at the forum homepage, I see so many birthday wishes, and it's become pretty clear to me that we have a lot of minors hanging out here. We have kids who are only 12 or 13, high schoolers, and plenty of teenagers reading everything you post... In the US, kids often try their first joint during high school. If we all start babying the subject—pretending drugs are just "little treats" or divine gifts—what kind of message are we actually sending to those kids?

Well, we aren't even talking about "drugs"—we are talking about psychedelic spirituality.
There is no need for anyone to be defensive; we just need to clarify things so there isn't any confusion or unnecessary offense.
The way things are being said right now feels offensive because of the word choice.
Think about it: Christians use wine as a sacrament, but if you told them they were using drugs, they would be absolutely insulted!

Quincy:
It’s not a snake, it’s just a little legless creature crawling along....
I am not against substances because, let's face it, everyone uses something. However, the word "drugs" creates massive confusion and is far too offensive since it brings to mind heavy, dangerous, addictive substances.

Quincy:
Actually, dealing with addiction only starts once a person admits they have a problem, but by then it is often too late, because denial is such a powerful force for addicts....
People usually show physical symptoms of addiction long before they reach the stage of admitting they have one! It is just like admitting you are a witch. A little bit of pressure, some persecution, and a touch of blackmail, and suddenly—presto!—you have a witch.

Quincy:
I notice the forum covers always feature birthday wishes, which makes me realize there are quite a few minors here. Some are only 12 or 13 years old, and they read everything you write. If we all start defending drugs and claiming they are a divine gift, what kind of message are we sending to those kids?.....
And what about the discussions on politics or the adult forums? That certainly isn't for children either, is it?

I am sending these kids a message to THINK for themselves and to EDUCATE themselves about the psychedelic spirituality we are discussing. Isn't that a much better approach than spreading propaganda designed to control young minds?
I treat people like adults, not animals that need to be told what to do. In my opinion, "drugs" is simply an inadequate term; the world should use the perfectly appropriate scientific term: psychedelic.
Andrew Sanchez572 Andrew Sanchez572 Active Member
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joined Dec 2010
#34 ·
casualtiger2 said:Look, spirituality exists wherever it wants to—it doesn't really care about location.
It could be happening on the moon for all I care—as long as you're writing something wise, that's what matters.

Alright people, let's hear it. 😁

Well, there wouldn't be anyone left to write anything on the moon...😳
I'll say it again: the moderators over on the spirituality-religion forum are top-notch, and that is the sole reason I stay.
Kenneth Peterson5 Kenneth Peterson5 Active Member
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joined Nov 2007
#35 ·
casualtiger2 said:Fazlija,
so, you’re suggesting we actually change things up?
bring in some new blood—people who are spiritual, experienced, smart, and actually lead with heart?

PS
Down in my neck of the woods, folks have a rule about this—you only get a seat at the table to criticize if you
a) actually believe you can do better, and
b) are willing to roll up your sleeves and put in the work to make it happen.

Listen, folks,
Looking at your post above, it really brings up a massive question regarding the entire spirituality PDF—specifically how we improve it.

You go on about what they say "back in my hometown..."
So, does that mean you're part of some little missionary sect out there led by Aba Aziz Makaj—aka Francis Miller?

Best regards,
Kenneth Peterson5
Richard Walker79 Richard Walker79 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#36 ·
casualtiger2 said:An autocrat? Please. Take it or leave it. 😍
Didn't expect us to dive into the whole "evil moderator" vs. "righteous wolf" drama this quickly.
Instead of us chasing each other around the forum later, here's my honest suggestion—go gather more than half the votes from active users who want me to retire into legend—voluntarily.

You believe what you believe, and I believe what I believe. It's fine. I'm not banning anyone's "freedom to practice spirituality." The fact that you feel spirituality *must* involve drugs is your issue—and eventually, it'll be an issue for your family, the police, or the courts. Plenty of people understand spirituality differently. So, you're in the minority, and as such, you have all the rights and responsibilities of a minority. Pure democracy.

Maybe you're one of those "drugs elevated me, thank God" types, but hundreds of thousands of others found enlightenment through something else.
And for the record, I'm not banning "free speech"—you've got plenty of threads, and you're free to say what you think right here. So, stop making things up.
As far as I'm concerned—the end.

Well, I don't actually have those democratic rights, which is exactly why I'm telling you that using the word "drugs" isn't scientific; it's just a derogatory term. Why would we use offensive language when there's a perfectly valid scientific term like psychedelic?

Quincy:
Maybe you're one of those "drugs elevated me, thank goodness" types, but hundreds of thousands of others have been ruined by them.
Similarly, I'm not banning "free speech"—after all, you have various threads, and you're free to say what you think right here. So, you're just making things up.
As far as I'm concerned—the end.
Please understand that "drugs" is an insulting word. How would you react as a Christian if wine was labeled a drug and associated with addicts?

I won't even bother commenting on those hundreds of thousands who were supposedly ruined by psychedelics because that is 1000% a lie. But now I see you're talking about drugs...
This is the perfect example! I am discussing psychedelics, yet you are bringing up all kinds of drugs and just creating confusion. Where is the freedom in that? And why is the topic regarding the spiritual use of cannabis closed? Why can't we specify that we are talking about psychedelics rather than just any old drug?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_use_of_cannabis
Andrew Sanchez572 Andrew Sanchez572 Active Member
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joined Dec 2010
#37 ·
I am of the opinion that Richard Walker79 is quite correct on this matter; if we are going to have a discussion on such a topic, then we ought to call things by their proper names. Especially since there are individuals among us who are well-versed in these terms, and they remain significant (to us).
Jeremy Palmer Jeremy Palmer Member
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joined Jan 2008
#38 ·
Richard Walker79 said:Well, we aren't even talking about "drugs"—we are talking about psychedelic spirituality.
There is no need for anyone to be defensive; we just need to clarify things so there isn't any confusion or unnecessary offense.
The way things are being said right now feels offensive because of the word choice.
Think about it: Christians use wine as a sacrament, but if you told them they were using drugs, they would be absolutely insulted!

Quincy:
It’s not a snake, it’s just a little legless creature crawling along....
I am not against substances because, let's face it, everyone uses something. However, the word "drugs" creates massive confusion and is far too offensive since it brings to mind heavy, dangerous, addictive substances.

Quincy:
Actually, dealing with addiction only starts once a person admits they have a problem, but by then it is often too late, because denial is such a powerful force for addicts....
People usually show physical symptoms of addiction long before they reach the stage of admitting they have one! It is just like admitting you are a witch. A little bit of pressure, some persecution, and a touch of blackmail, and suddenly—presto!—you have a witch.

Quincy:
I notice the forum covers always feature birthday wishes, which makes me realize there are quite a few minors here. Some are only 12 or 13 years old, and they read everything you write. If we all start defending drugs and claiming they are a divine gift, what kind of message are we sending to those kids?.....
And what about the discussions on politics or the adult forums? That certainly isn't for children either, is it?

I am sending these kids a message to THINK for themselves and to EDUCATE themselves about the psychedelic spirituality we are discussing. Isn't that a much better approach than spreading propaganda designed to control young minds?
I treat people like adults, not animals that need to be told what to do. In my opinion, "drugs" is simply an inadequate term; the world should use the perfectly appropriate scientific term: psychedelic.

The psychedelics being discussed can seriously mess with a young person's personality and mental health. Even just recreational use can be risky for anyone under 24, since the brain is still busy building those crucial neural connections, and substances can interfere with that process, potentially triggering psychosis.

Kenneth Peterson5 mentioned the findings from these studies in a few different threads, and I've come across the same data in at least five different places myself. For instance, about 90 percent of young people hospitalized for schizophrenia in major US cities had used cannabis. Once they stopped using it, the symptoms subsided.

So, Richard Walker79, regardless of how much you celebrate cannabis, the scientific facts point in a different direction. Speaking as both a mother and someone with a conscience, I feel I have to speak up to the moderators of this forum:

STOP GLORIFYING DRUG USE
feralheron17 feralheron17 Member
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joined Mar 2009
#39 ·
casualtiger2 said:Hey everyone,
It’s been a minute since I’ve been active here—and now, out of nowhere, I’ve been tapped as a moderator. So, I’m asking you all to jump into this poll so I can get a decent pulse on where we actually stand right now.
I want to hear from the old guard—the "seasoned veterans" who probably use this place as their digital fountain of youth 😉—as well as the newcomers who just joined the party.
The site changes every single day, obviously, and I know "quality" is a pretty hard thing to pin down—especially on a Spirituality Forum—but I think it’s worth taking a snapshot of where we are in this little corner of the internet.

So, here are some prompts to get us started (feel free to throw in your own thoughts too):
- What do you think of the forum over the last few weeks or months?
- What are you actually enjoying?
- What’s getting on your nerves?
- How could we make this better (if it even needs it)? Basically, what’s missing?
(Just trying to make sure everyone stays happy while reading or posting. 🙂)

Look, I know everyone’s going to have subjective takes—some might even be total opposites—so please, let’s avoid any heated arguments over whose opinion is "right." A cool, civil dialogue is always welcome, though.

Since I’ve posted quite a bit myself, here’s my quick, telegraphic take on how things feel to me.

I’ve only really been active here for about two years—even though I registered ages ago for one specific post, then basically went ghost. For a while, this felt like a great spot, both for the community and the topics. But lately, it feels like things have slipped a bit. Part of that was the chaos regarding where we'd host the site, part was the struggle to find permanent moderators—even though, honestly, every mod I've worked with so far has done a killer job—and part was losing some core members who really made this place what it was. It led to this weird illusion that there's some massive drama happening in real life outside of these threads. 😁 Plus, at one point, it felt like a bunch of argumentative personalities were starting to take over.

That said, over the last week or two, it feels like the spiral is finally turning back upward—both in terms of how people talk and the actual content being shared. I’d love to do whatever I can in my capacity to keep that momentum going.

I’ll be opening a dedicated thread soon specifically for moderation and direct communication.

First off, good luck with the mod gig. I wish the same to your new team.
By the way, I think the philosophy sub-forum is in a serious crisis.
And yeah, you might remember me from a few posts: I think you're a solid choice for moderator.
I've been on plenty of forums (many offered me mod roles, but I turned them down—I don't have the heart to lecture or ban people), and there's no debating taste: personally, I believe the more rules and bans there are based on the principle that unprovoked insults from any side are punished, the calmer the atmosphere stays.
As you get older, you stop judging people by how they present themselves and start watching how they react. In places like the American South, you only have to scratch the surface to see people sink much lower than anyone would ever dream.
If someone crosses me, I give it right back to them. I have to be honest about that, even if it means I cut off any chance of ever speaking to that person again. They usually end up going to the mods or...alive parents seeking to return to their primal state: I think the vibe on American forums has shifted radically for the better since the late '90s. I’m seeing moderators on certain boards who actually do an incredible job at policing the chaos.
You’re still chasing shadows, Epure.
I haven't spent much time hanging out in those spaces, especially regarding philosophy topics. I took a quick look at alim's profile: nothing irritating there. He writes in that cryptic, gnomic style. If you want to read it and find value, go ahead. If not, just skip it. It’s easy to know exactly what you’re getting into without having to be cynical about it.
The American Internet has everything. With all due respect to opposing views, I have to distance myself from the idea of harmlessness: there are losers, people with massive inferiority complexes, thugs, hunters of all kinds, and female masturbators who are far worse than the men—mostly because it’s beneath them, especially when they start joining the guys: I believe I have every right to say that. The Internet played a vital role in my life: chatting with the opposite sex, finding information, exchanging views with mature people ready for actual discussion...
This spirituality-religion forum doesn't have to be bad. Whenever I have the time, I’ll post something useful, which most of my previous posts here already prove.
Regardless, I think this subforum, with casualtiger2, his associates, and the regulars here, offers its own unique perspective.
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Richard Walker79 Richard Walker79 Active Member
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Jeremy Palmer said:The psychedelics being discussed can seriously mess with a young person's personality and mental health. Even just recreational use can be risky for anyone under 24, since the brain is still busy building those crucial neural connections, and substances can interfere with that process, potentially triggering psychosis.

Kenneth Peterson5 mentioned the findings from these studies in a few different threads, and I've come across the same data in at least five different places myself. For instance, about 90 percent of young people hospitalized for schizophrenia in major US cities had used cannabis. Once they stopped using it, the symptoms subsided.

So, Richard Walker79, regardless of how much you celebrate cannabis, the scientific facts point in a different direction. Speaking as both a mother and someone with a conscience, I feel I have to speak up to the moderators of this forum:

STOP GLORIFYING DRUG USE

Research isn't objective—it’s all a lie funded by Big Pharma. If you want an actual objective look at the connection between psychedelics and spiritual experiences, check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK0RRTG2WWY

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