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Andrew Ramos10 Andrew Ramos10 Active Member
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#61 ·
Give yourself two solid slaps to the face and say it with conviction: "I am changing my ways... I truly want to change."
The next time you find yourself stuck on even the smallest decision—like picking out a new pack of boxers at Target, for instance—just list five options and pick one!
If you can't manage that, go ahead and give yourself another two slaps, because you've been acting like a real troublemaker lately...
Dana Morales64 Dana Morales64 Active Member
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#62 ·
Anonymous said:Yeah, maybe I did have it a bit too easy growing up, but I also think this is just part of my DNA.
I haven't really found myself yet, so it's hard to even figure out where I fit in. To be honest, I catch myself just following what everyone else is doing, even if I won't admit it to myself.

I caught a glimpse of myself in that—it's hard to admit, but I don't really know who I am when I'm left alone with my own thoughts. When there's nothing to do, I often find myself just staring at a wall or some random spot on the floor, lost in nothingness. I'm constantly mimicking others—not literally, obviously, but my behavior tends to drift toward theirs. I watch how people live, observing their gestures and patterns. It's not voyeurism, it's more like... following a script? I frequently wish I could be someone else—someone I actually know—because I’m always under the impression that everyone else is living a much more compelling life than mine. That's where that longing comes from, I suppose. When I'm stuck in my head, I wonder what everyone else is up to right this second. Is it just me who finds everything so incredibly dull? I have this nagging feeling that I don't actually possess a "self." 🤷
crimsoncyclist14 crimsoncyclist14 Member
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#63 ·
Andrew Ramos10 said:Give yourself two solid slaps to the face and say it with conviction: "I am changing my ways... I truly want to change."
The next time you find yourself stuck on even the smallest decision—like picking out a new pack of boxers at Target, for instance—just list five options and pick one!
If you can't manage that, go ahead and give yourself another two slaps, because you've been acting like a real troublemaker lately...

Not all guys wear boxer briefs, you know; some prefer those standard white briefs because they simply find them more comfortable.

Some people are just naturally decisive while others struggle with indecision, but frankly, I can't make any guarantees about how things will turn out.☕
steelskipper4 steelskipper4 Member
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#64 ·
Anonymous said:Thanks, but Wikipedia just says he was a mystic. I haven't heard of him. Seems more like a theorist to me, and I need actual, practical help.🙂

Do you ever experience this sort of internal "debate" before you finally settle on a decision? It’s as if every single thought possesses its own distinct "personality," creating a mental landscape where multiple voices are vying for control—one thought is assertive, another is riddled with doubt, a third is deeply intuitive, a fourth is relentlessly questioning, the fifth is a blatant liar, the sixth is a total coward, and the seventh is perpetually offended... they all clash and manipulate one another, desperately trying to seize the throne for even five minutes. Tell me, do you truly believe that YOU made the decision, or did one particular thought simply win the skirmish, leaving you to merely identify with the victor?
This whole metaphor of warring thoughts perfectly illustrates the egoistic "me, me, me, me"—that constructed persona, the ego, which is essentially just the personality shaped by everything we’ve been fed since we were toddlers.

Picture yourself as Mowgli 🙂, coming of age in the heart of the jungle... you are living in a state of constant peril, dodging predators and hunting for sustenance, where survival often hinges on reacting in a mere fraction of a second. Such environments demand a specific, heightened level of alertness that, in turn, cultivates what > calls "essence." People forged in that manner think with their entire bodies rather than just through the intellect; they possess that primal, instinctive clarity required to navigate a crisis—a sense most people lose because they allow themselves to be drowned out by the endless chatter of their own minds.
In this context, essence represents the true self.

When an individual has developed both their essence and their social persona with equal strength, they gain the ability to act—to decide—independently of whatever random external circumstances might be thrown their way.

If you find this intriguing, you should dig into those books I mentioned.🤷

True social intelligence is, quite frankly, a form of acting. If one doesn't learn to perform and instead constantly bends to every societal expectation, that person will inevitably lose their "self," their essence. Women, in particular, tend to be masterclass performers in this regard within any social circle. 👍
Amanda Stewart7 Amanda Stewart7 Active Member
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#65 ·
Anonymous said:I am incredibly, paralyzingly indecisive. It’s a struggle that has haunted me for years, but it really started eating me alive once I finished college.

Life was easy enough when I was just following the script—elementary school, high school, moving along like everyone else. When it came time to pick a major, I spent forever agonizing over whether to go for a technical degree or something more liberal arts, or which specific track to take. I eventually scraped by with a choice, though looking back, I feel like I've made almost every decision since then wrong.

That suffocating feeling of being unable to choose really kicked in after I got my diploma. It usually follows this exact pattern:

1. Should I join the military or look for a civilian job? One option offered a stable career path, but I had no idea if that was actually what I wanted. Looking back now, I actually kind of regret not going, but at the time, I just couldn't wrap my head around it. By the time the window for active duty closed, I ended up in a civilian role instead.— SO, IT WASN'T REALLY A CHOICE I MADE; CIRCUMSTANCES DECIDED FOR ME. Even today, I still can't tell if I made the right call.

2. Should I take a job at a small local startup or aim for a massive corporation like Amazon or Google, even if the work would be entry-level and totally unrelated to my degree? Once the deadline passed for the big corporate applications, I just defaulted to the small firm.— IN OTHER WORDS, THE EXPIRATION DATE MADE THE DECISION FOR ME.

3. Around that same time, I met an amazing girl. But instead of stepping up, I played these weird games of "hot and cold," acting like this polished, successful engineer when I was really just winging it. I couldn't make a move. By the time I finally realized how much she meant to me, she had already moved on to someone more decisive.— AGAIN, I DIDN'T MAKE A CHOICE; I JUST LET LIFE HAPPEN TO ME..

4. After joining that small firm, I quickly realized it was a shady, poorly run operation. Still, I clung to it, telling myself, "At least I'm working in my field." I was too paralyzed to decide whether to quit, so I stayed until the whole company basically collapsed.— ONCE MORE, FATE AND CIRCUMSTANCE MADE THE CALL, NOT ME.

5. I accepted the next available job offer, even though I wasn't sure about it. I kept telling myself I needed to keep leveling up and hunting for something better, but I lacked the guts to actually pull the trigger on a big career move. Maybe I was just blind, or maybe I was just waiting for the company to fail so that DESTINY COULD DECIDE MY NEXT MOVE FOR ME AGAIN.

6. I dated someone else, but I constantly pressured her with questions about whether we were "meant to be"—almost like I was trying to force her to give me the answer I couldn't find myself. We broke up, and I wasn't even sure if that was the right move. History repeated itself: while I was sitting there overthinking whether to try and win her back, she had already found someone else.— ONCE AGAIN, I LEFT IT UP TO CHANCE AND CIRCUMSTANCE.

7. A friend offered to help me transition into a new role at a different company, but I couldn't commit. It's like I lack basic common sense sometimes; I just couldn't decide. I think I was just waiting for the "perfect moment" that never comes. Well, that moment passed. When I finally called the hiring manager to ask for another week to think it over, he told me he'd already hired someone else. And honestly? Part of me felt relieved because the decision was taken out of my hands.— I HAD ONCE AGAIN SURRENDERED MY FUTURE TO SOMEONE ELSE, and technically, I should be upset about that.

8. I bought a car, but I spent the entire time wondering if I should have taken out a loan for a newer model or if buying used was the smarter play. Predictably, I ended up pulling the trigger only when the very last one at that specific price point was left on the lot. I didn't buy it because I wanted it; I bought it out of a fear of missing a deal.
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Basically, this graveyard of missed professional opportunities is starting to choke my personal life, too. My romantic life looks just as messy because, in that arena, I haven't been able to make a single real decision, and the ones I did manage to make turned out to be total disasters.
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X-Y. It happens when I'm just buying clothes, too. I'll try everything on and leave the sales clerk standing there in complete confusion because I can't commit to a single item. If only I were this indecisive about my wardrobe and not my entire existence.

So, what's wrong with my brain?🤷
Is it a lack of courage?
Am I just lazy?
Or maybe I'm just too picky?
Maybe I wasn't built to lead, but more like a mule that needs someone constantly barking orders at it?
Or maybe I’m actually fine and just spiraling?
Or am I just a coward who's terrified of my own shadow?

I was a top-tier student, and honestly, people in my social circle think pretty highly of me. But deep down, I’m miserable. I simply don't have a clue what my life looks like six months from now, let alone five years down the line. I’m just letting life happen to me. It feels like since I graduated, I haven't even moved an inch forward.

I overanalyze everything to death every time I have to make a choice. It’s cost me countless sleepless nights, and I still walk away feeling like I picked the wrong path every single time. I think the stress is even starting to mess with my blood pressure. I don't know how to fix this. I have zero vision and the uncertainty of the future is eating me alive.

A few times in my life, I actually made the right call and it paid off big time, but lately, that sense of reward is gone. I don't feel like I'm on the right track anymore, so I can't even commit to anything. I end up looking incompetent, even though I know deep down that isn't true.

Long story short:

I don't know. Honestly, I have no idea what would actually make me happy. I don't know what's wrong with me. I find a reason to quit in every single situation....
If I actually knew what brought me joy, I’d go after it, but right now, nothing feels worth the effort. I clearly have a broken decision-making process...
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Does anyone have any advice? Has anyone else felt this way? Any book recommendations? What is actually going on in my head? What do I need to let go of? What should I be working on?
Is there any hope for me?

You're just bored with life. The Spaniard has this great verb "aburrirse" which means to be bored, and it comes from the word for donkey, because apparently, only a donkey gets that bored. And no offense, but you're being a bit lazy. Go do something. Stop the endless analyzing and figure out how to get your act together. If you actually had to work to survive, you wouldn't be sitting here whining. Set a clear goal for yourself and then actually hit it. You aren't practical, and you lack the discipline and persistence needed to stick with anything.
You need to do something constructive every single day. To start, give yourself a task to do after your main job—like two hours of learning something new, or at least find a hobby and explore what actually interests you. Try different things; if you don't try, you won't know if they suit you or if they actually bring you joy. What's your priority? Define it, because nobody else can do that for you. You say you started on the right path, but you aren't even sure if it *is* the right path?
It's going to be incredibly hard for you to take that first step. You want to step out firmly, but then you hesitate and pull back, and... you stay stuck in place, just spinning in circles. Just step out decisively. Once you do that, you'll see all those doubts just vanish.
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#66 ·
Andrew Ramos10 said:Give yourself two solid slaps to the face and say it with conviction: "I am changing my ways... I truly want to change."
The next time you find yourself stuck on even the smallest decision—like picking out a new pack of boxers at Target, for instance—just list five options and pick one!
If you can't manage that, go ahead and give yourself another two slaps, because you've been acting like a real troublemaker lately...

Man, I should probably start by hitting my desk 🙂 and if I can't make a decision then, maybe the wall. 🙂
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#67 ·
Dana Morales64 said:I caught a glimpse of myself in that—it's hard to admit, but I don't really know who I am when I'm left alone with my own thoughts. When there's nothing to do, I often find myself just staring at a wall or some random spot on the floor, lost in nothingness. I'm constantly mimicking others—not literally, obviously, but my behavior tends to drift toward theirs. I watch how people live, observing their gestures and patterns. It's not voyeurism, it's more like... following a script? I frequently wish I could be someone else—someone I actually know—because I’m always under the impression that everyone else is living a much more compelling life than mine. That's where that longing comes from, I suppose. When I'm stuck in my head, I wonder what everyone else is up to right this second. Is it just me who finds everything so incredibly dull? I have this nagging feeling that I don't actually possess a "self." 🤷

Are you indecisive too? When you're facing a massive decision, do you ever catch yourself thinking, "What would one of my friends do in this situation?"
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#68 ·
crimsoncyclist14 said:Not all guys wear boxer briefs, you know; some prefer those standard white briefs because they simply find them more comfortable.

Some people are just naturally decisive while others struggle with indecision, but frankly, I can't make any guarantees about how things will turn out.☕

God willing it turns out that way, that actually makes me feel a bit better🙂
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#69 ·
steelskipper4 said:Do you ever experience this sort of internal "debate" before you finally settle on a decision? It’s as if every single thought possesses its own distinct "personality," creating a mental landscape where multiple voices are vying for control—one thought is assertive, another is riddled with doubt, a third is deeply intuitive, a fourth is relentlessly questioning, the fifth is a blatant liar, the sixth is a total coward, and the seventh is perpetually offended... they all clash and manipulate one another, desperately trying to seize the throne for even five minutes. Tell me, do you truly believe that YOU made the decision, or did one particular thought simply win the skirmish, leaving you to merely identify with the victor?
This whole metaphor of warring thoughts perfectly illustrates the egoistic "me, me, me, me"—that constructed persona, the ego, which is essentially just the personality shaped by everything we’ve been fed since we were toddlers.

Picture yourself as Mowgli 🙂, coming of age in the heart of the jungle... you are living in a state of constant peril, dodging predators and hunting for sustenance, where survival often hinges on reacting in a mere fraction of a second. Such environments demand a specific, heightened level of alertness that, in turn, cultivates what > calls "essence." People forged in that manner think with their entire bodies rather than just through the intellect; they possess that primal, instinctive clarity required to navigate a crisis—a sense most people lose because they allow themselves to be drowned out by the endless chatter of their own minds.
In this context, essence represents the true self.

When an individual has developed both their essence and their social persona with equal strength, they gain the ability to act—to decide—independently of whatever random external circumstances might be thrown their way.

If you find this intriguing, you should dig into those books I mentioned.🤷

True social intelligence is, quite frankly, a form of acting. If one doesn't learn to perform and instead constantly bends to every societal expectation, that person will inevitably lose their "self," their essence. Women, in particular, tend to be masterclass performers in this regard within any social circle. 👍

That is literally me. I wouldn't say I'm much of a reader, but if one of those books landed in my lap, I’d definitely give it a shot. My gut feeling is that these kinds of books focus more on describing the fallout rather than actually fixing the root cause.
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#70 ·
Amanda Stewart7 said:You're just bored with life. The Spaniard has this great verb "aburrirse" which means to be bored, and it comes from the word for donkey, because apparently, only a donkey gets that bored. And no offense, but you're being a bit lazy. Go do something. Stop the endless analyzing and figure out how to get your act together. If you actually had to work to survive, you wouldn't be sitting here whining. Set a clear goal for yourself and then actually hit it. You aren't practical, and you lack the discipline and persistence needed to stick with anything.
You need to do something constructive every single day. To start, give yourself a task to do after your main job—like two hours of learning something new, or at least find a hobby and explore what actually interests you. Try different things; if you don't try, you won't know if they suit you or if they actually bring you joy. What's your priority? Define it, because nobody else can do that for you. You say you started on the right path, but you aren't even sure if it *is* the right path?
It's going to be incredibly hard for you to take that first step. You want to step out firmly, but then you hesitate and pull back, and... you stay stuck in place, just spinning in circles. Just step out decisively. Once you do that, you'll see all those doubts just vanish.

Your whole argument boils down to this: "You won't know if a path is right or wrong until you fully commit to it." 👍

But there's one thing from your post I just can't do: I can't seem to set a clear goal. Are you suggesting I should pick a direction even if I'm not sure it's worth it, just so I can see how it plays out? Because if I actually knew what my true purpose was, I wouldn't be dealing with this mess in the first place.

Sure, I'm lazy. I used to think laziness caused my indecision. But now I see it's the other way around—my indecision is what makes me lazy.

Indecision + Laziness = Insanity 🤷
Amanda Stewart7 Amanda Stewart7 Active Member
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#71 ·
Basically, just roll with it is how you put it:
They say the best leader is the one who pauses, takes a beat to think, and then charges forward at full speed without looking back—because we all know that dwelling on "what if" is a complete waste of energy.
The biggest issue is usually just refusing to face reality. An indecisive person often knows exactly what the best move is in the short term, but they struggle to actually accept it. They let their wishes clash with the facts, and suddenly you've got this messy web of overthinking and endless analysis... they end up wanting to go back to square one, but they can't because their thoughts are totally tangled, which just leads to frustration and paralysis...
A decent way to live would be to just make the absolute most of whatever you have right now. That’s where everything starts. From there, you actually start growing and figuring out how to realistically build better opportunities for yourself.

So, yeah, "just roll with it" is a solid point, I just didn't catch it before...
basically, take what you've got right now and run with it, that's the starting line...

You're a trip. Total Pol Pot vibes... always doing your own thing... it's easy to just shrug and say "I'm crazy"😉, always taking the path of least resistance... just don't claim you have nothing and play the fool---
steelskipper4 steelskipper4 Member
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#72 ·
Anonymous said:That is literally me. I wouldn't say I'm much of a reader, but if one of those books landed in my lap, I’d definitely give it a shot. My gut feeling is that these kinds of books focus more on describing the fallout rather than actually fixing the root cause.

I would actually love for you to circle back to the question from my previous post—do you believe that YOU are the one consciously making the decision, or does the thought simply fight its way to the surface on its own, leaving you to merely identify with it after the fact?

Furthermore, I have a second inquiry: do you experience that "primal sensation" within your body—that visceral gut feeling that "tells you something" when you are confronted by a situation? I am referring to that physical resonance that manifests prior to cognitive processing, which essentially "evaluates" and provides a definitive answer or direction without any conscious intellectual intervention. To illustrate my point, imagine walking into a Target with the sole intention of picking out a new T-shirt. Naturally, there will be an overwhelming array of options, necessitating a choice. Try to select a shirt based entirely on that internal bodily sensation; bypass the intellect completely. While you do this, observe the sensation itself. Is it even possible for you to make a selection using that method?

That "primal sensation" is occurring right now, in this very instant, triggered by the sense of sight and quite frequently by the sense of touch—such as feeling the texture of the fabric in our aforementioned example. In essence, the data is being harvested through immediate, conscious perception.

Once you descend into that "internal debate," thoughts—since almost no one truly possesses mastery over them—subtly and deceptively lure you into a quagmire of redundant analysis. They often manufacture an imaginary atmosphere that bears no relation to the objective, conscious reality. Eventually, you realize you have begun mentally troubleshooting problems that don't even exist. 😂

Regarding the intellectual approach to decision-making, the "internal debate" tends to disregard that "primal sensation," whereas true understanding embraces it.

Understanding is the bridge between the structural integrity of one's being and actual knowledge. That "primal sensation" is a fundamental component of that being's structure, reacting in its own unique way. As a being becomes more structurally sound, the capacity for understanding increases—one can track this growth by comparing how we view a certain principle today versus how we viewed that exact same principle five or ten years ago. The principle remains static; what has evolved is the being itself.
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#73 ·
steelskipper4 said:I would actually love for you to circle back to the question from my previous post—do you believe that YOU are the one consciously making the decision, or does the thought simply fight its way to the surface on its own, leaving you to merely identify with it after the fact?

Furthermore, I have a second inquiry: do you experience that "primal sensation" within your body—that visceral gut feeling that "tells you something" when you are confronted by a situation? I am referring to that physical resonance that manifests prior to cognitive processing, which essentially "evaluates" and provides a definitive answer or direction without any conscious intellectual intervention. To illustrate my point, imagine walking into a Target with the sole intention of picking out a new T-shirt. Naturally, there will be an overwhelming array of options, necessitating a choice. Try to select a shirt based entirely on that internal bodily sensation; bypass the intellect completely. While you do this, observe the sensation itself. Is it even possible for you to make a selection using that method?

That "primal sensation" is occurring right now, in this very instant, triggered by the sense of sight and quite frequently by the sense of touch—such as feeling the texture of the fabric in our aforementioned example. In essence, the data is being harvested through immediate, conscious perception.

Once you descend into that "internal debate," thoughts—since almost no one truly possesses mastery over them—subtly and deceptively lure you into a quagmire of redundant analysis. They often manufacture an imaginary atmosphere that bears no relation to the objective, conscious reality. Eventually, you realize you have begun mentally troubleshooting problems that don't even exist. 😂

Regarding the intellectual approach to decision-making, the "internal debate" tends to disregard that "primal sensation," whereas true understanding embraces it.

Understanding is the bridge between the structural integrity of one's being and actual knowledge. That "primal sensation" is a fundamental component of that being's structure, reacting in its own unique way. As a being becomes more structurally sound, the capacity for understanding increases—one can track this growth by comparing how we view a certain principle today versus how we viewed that exact same principle five or ten years ago. The principle remains static; what has evolved is the being itself.

Honestly, I don't usually "make" decisions. I tend to let circumstances—timing, sheer luck, whatever—narrow things down to a single option, and then that becomes my choice. Sure, a thought can fight its way through, but those feelings rarely stick around long. If I'm really backed into a corner, my decision might depend on whatever thoughts happen to be flitting through my head at that exact second. Then, five minutes later, I'll look at it and think the other option looks better. Even if I feel good about a choice right now, I might regret it tomorrow, or feel okay about it again the day after... it’s a constant cycle of being sure, then unsure, then eventually just settling and swallowing the decision I have to live with. I never get that "Eureka!" feeling that I made the perfect call, but I don't feel like I totally blew it either. My thoughts are always scattered, constantly trying to convince me of something else. It’s like I’m perpetually expanding the horizon and adding more and more criteria to the scale. For example, if I'm leaning toward Option A, this weird internal mechanism kicks in to start pitching Option B until I actually want Option B. This strange little engine starts digging up any excuse to sell me on Option B, highlighting all the perks that Option A lacks. It even starts dragging in these almost irrelevant details, inventing them out of thin air, until suddenly, Option B feels much more attractive.
And just to stop there—once that mechanism finishes, it starts favoring Option A using that exact same method of hunting for obscure criteria (while ignoring everything Option B has)... so I just end up spinning in circles and exhausting myself.

steelskipper4 said:I would actually love for you to circle back to the question from my previous post—do you believe that YOU are the one consciously making the decision, or does the thought simply fight its way to the surface on its own, leaving you to merely identify with it after the fact?

Furthermore, I have a second inquiry: do you experience that "primal sensation" within your body—that visceral gut feeling that "tells you something" when you are confronted by a situation? I am referring to that physical resonance that manifests prior to cognitive processing, which essentially "evaluates" and provides a definitive answer or direction without any conscious intellectual intervention. To illustrate my point, imagine walking into a Target with the sole intention of picking out a new T-shirt. Naturally, there will be an overwhelming array of options, necessitating a choice. Try to select a shirt based entirely on that internal bodily sensation; bypass the intellect completely. While you do this, observe the sensation itself. Is it even possible for you to make a selection using that method?

That "primal sensation" is occurring right now, in this very instant, triggered by the sense of sight and quite frequently by the sense of touch—such as feeling the texture of the fabric in our aforementioned example. In essence, the data is being harvested through immediate, conscious perception.

Once you descend into that "internal debate," thoughts—since almost no one truly possesses mastery over them—subtly and deceptively lure you into a quagmire of redundant analysis. They often manufacture an imaginary atmosphere that bears no relation to the objective, conscious reality. Eventually, you realize you have begun mentally troubleshooting problems that don't even exist. 😂

Regarding the intellectual approach to decision-making, the "internal debate" tends to disregard that "primal sensation," whereas true understanding embraces it.

Understanding is the bridge between the structural integrity of one's being and actual knowledge. That "primal sensation" is a fundamental component of that being's structure, reacting in its own unique way. As a being becomes more structurally sound, the capacity for understanding increases—one can track this growth by comparing how we view a certain principle today versus how we viewed that exact same principle five or ten years ago. The principle remains static; what has evolved is the being itself.

I can make a decision like that if I'm just tagging along with someone else while they shop and I happen to see a shirt I like. In that case, I haven't "decided" to buy anything, so all those heavy criteria—the price, the actual intent to purchase, the urgency of the moment—are completely off the table. I'm just picking a color and calling it a day. But the second I start THINKING (like, "Will this go with the jeans and sneakers I already own?" or "How long will summer last so I can actually wear this short-sleeved shirt?"), that's when my decision-making speed hits a brick wall.

I think, deep down, what holds me back is a sense of RESPONSIBILITY that I refuse to take on. When there's no responsibility involved—meaning no fear of consequences or future fallout—the decision comes easy. But once I have to commit to a choice (even something as small as a t-shirt), I start piling on all these criteria, and it's mentally draining. Now, whether that's because I'm afraid of the responsibility itself, or if I'm just afraid of having made the wrong choice for my "path"... that's the real question.

steelskipper4 said:I would actually love for you to circle back to the question from my previous post—do you believe that YOU are the one consciously making the decision, or does the thought simply fight its way to the surface on its own, leaving you to merely identify with it after the fact?

Furthermore, I have a second inquiry: do you experience that "primal sensation" within your body—that visceral gut feeling that "tells you something" when you are confronted by a situation? I am referring to that physical resonance that manifests prior to cognitive processing, which essentially "evaluates" and provides a definitive answer or direction without any conscious intellectual intervention. To illustrate my point, imagine walking into a Target with the sole intention of picking out a new T-shirt. Naturally, there will be an overwhelming array of options, necessitating a choice. Try to select a shirt based entirely on that internal bodily sensation; bypass the intellect completely. While you do this, observe the sensation itself. Is it even possible for you to make a selection using that method?

That "primal sensation" is occurring right now, in this very instant, triggered by the sense of sight and quite frequently by the sense of touch—such as feeling the texture of the fabric in our aforementioned example. In essence, the data is being harvested through immediate, conscious perception.

Once you descend into that "internal debate," thoughts—since almost no one truly possesses mastery over them—subtly and deceptively lure you into a quagmire of redundant analysis. They often manufacture an imaginary atmosphere that bears no relation to the objective, conscious reality. Eventually, you realize you have begun mentally troubleshooting problems that don't even exist. 😂

Regarding the intellectual approach to decision-making, the "internal debate" tends to disregard that "primal sensation," whereas true understanding embraces it.

Understanding is the bridge between the structural integrity of one's being and actual knowledge. That "primal sensation" is a fundamental component of that being's structure, reacting in its own unique way. As a being becomes more structurally sound, the capacity for understanding increases—one can track this growth by comparing how we view a certain principle today versus how we viewed that exact same principle five or ten years ago. The principle remains static; what has evolved is the being itself.

Exactly. It’s that split second before my brain kicks in with a checklist of criteria and starts weighing everything. It lasts such a short time, and compared to the heavy analysis that starts firing a second later, that initial (emotionless) instinct just vanishes... eventually, I can't even remember what I subconsciously picked at first glance.

steelskipper4 said:I would actually love for you to circle back to the question from my previous post—do you believe that YOU are the one consciously making the decision, or does the thought simply fight its way to the surface on its own, leaving you to merely identify with it after the fact?

Furthermore, I have a second inquiry: do you experience that "primal sensation" within your body—that visceral gut feeling that "tells you something" when you are confronted by a situation? I am referring to that physical resonance that manifests prior to cognitive processing, which essentially "evaluates" and provides a definitive answer or direction without any conscious intellectual intervention. To illustrate my point, imagine walking into a Target with the sole intention of picking out a new T-shirt. Naturally, there will be an overwhelming array of options, necessitating a choice. Try to select a shirt based entirely on that internal bodily sensation; bypass the intellect completely. While you do this, observe the sensation itself. Is it even possible for you to make a selection using that method?

That "primal sensation" is occurring right now, in this very instant, triggered by the sense of sight and quite frequently by the sense of touch—such as feeling the texture of the fabric in our aforementioned example. In essence, the data is being harvested through immediate, conscious perception.

Once you descend into that "internal debate," thoughts—since almost no one truly possesses mastery over them—subtly and deceptively lure you into a quagmire of redundant analysis. They often manufacture an imaginary atmosphere that bears no relation to the objective, conscious reality. Eventually, you realize you have begun mentally troubleshooting problems that don't even exist. 😂

Regarding the intellectual approach to decision-making, the "internal debate" tends to disregard that "primal sensation," whereas true understanding embraces it.

Understanding is the bridge between the structural integrity of one's being and actual knowledge. That "primal sensation" is a fundamental component of that being's structure, reacting in its own unique way. As a being becomes more structurally sound, the capacity for understanding increases—one can track this growth by comparing how we view a certain principle today versus how we viewed that exact same principle five or ten years ago. The principle remains static; what has evolved is the being itself.

I think it’s basically a tug-of-war between different mental mechanisms constantly switching sides between Option A and Option B without ever stopping...
steelskipper4 said:I would actually love for you to circle back to the question from my previous post—do you believe that YOU are the one consciously making the decision, or does the thought simply fight its way to the surface on its own, leaving you to merely identify with it after the fact?

Furthermore, I have a second inquiry: do you experience that "primal sensation" within your body—that visceral gut feeling that "tells you something" when you are confronted by a situation? I am referring to that physical resonance that manifests prior to cognitive processing, which essentially "evaluates" and provides a definitive answer or direction without any conscious intellectual intervention. To illustrate my point, imagine walking into a Target with the sole intention of picking out a new T-shirt. Naturally, there will be an overwhelming array of options, necessitating a choice. Try to select a shirt based entirely on that internal bodily sensation; bypass the intellect completely. While you do this, observe the sensation itself. Is it even possible for you to make a selection using that method?

That "primal sensation" is occurring right now, in this very instant, triggered by the sense of sight and quite frequently by the sense of touch—such as feeling the texture of the fabric in our aforementioned example. In essence, the data is being harvested through immediate, conscious perception.

Once you descend into that "internal debate," thoughts—since almost no one truly possesses mastery over them—subtly and deceptively lure you into a quagmire of redundant analysis. They often manufacture an imaginary atmosphere that bears no relation to the objective, conscious reality. Eventually, you realize you have begun mentally troubleshooting problems that don't even exist. 😂

Regarding the intellectual approach to decision-making, the "internal debate" tends to disregard that "primal sensation," whereas true understanding embraces it.

Understanding is the bridge between the structural integrity of one's being and actual knowledge. That "primal sensation" is a fundamental component of that being's structure, reacting in its own unique way. As a being becomes more structurally sound, the capacity for understanding increases—one can track this growth by comparing how we view a certain principle today versus how we viewed that exact same principle five or ten years ago. The principle remains static; what has evolved is the being itself.

Now we're getting into deep theory...
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Amanda Stewart7 said:
Basically, just roll with it is how you put it:
They say the best leader is the one who pauses, takes a beat to think, and then charges forward at full speed without looking back—because we all know that dwelling on "what if" is a complete waste of energy.
The biggest issue is usually just refusing to face reality. An indecisive person often knows exactly what the best move is in the short term, but they struggle to actually accept it. They let their wishes clash with the facts, and suddenly you've got this messy web of overthinking and endless analysis... they end up wanting to go back to square one, but they can't because their thoughts are totally tangled, which just leads to frustration and paralysis...
A decent way to live would be to just make the absolute most of whatever you have right now. That’s where everything starts. From there, you actually start growing and figuring out how to realistically build better opportunities for yourself.

So, yeah, "just roll with it" is a solid point, I just didn't catch it before...
basically, take what you've got right now and run with it, that's the starting line...

You're a trip. Total Pol Pot vibes... always doing your own thing... it's easy to just shrug and say "I'm crazy"😉, always taking the path of least resistance... just don't claim you have nothing and play the fool---

True, but why would I squeeze every last drop out of Option A when Option B might actually pay off more for way less effort?
The thing is, I'd go all-in on an option if I were absolutely certain it was the absolute best, most efficient way to go.

Basically, whenever I'm doubting a choice or a direction (which happens a lot), I just can't force myself to give it 100%. It eats at me—this nagging feeling that maybe the other route is better, easier, or just fits better. My mind is always drifting toward that second choice. I keep imagining how much better things could be over there... it makes me feel like I totally missed the mark when I made my decision... yeah, that's just how I am... 😲

🙂
nimbleotter18 nimbleotter18 Member
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#75 ·
You just need a little luck to get the ball rolling. Once things start moving, you actually start making smarter decisions...
Emily Watson4 Emily Watson4 Newcomer
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#76 ·
It all comes down to genetics... you get what you get at birth... there isn't much room to pivot or reinvent yourself... I don't know... maybe you just have to accept who you are, but 🤷 she’s so depressed about it 😁 God, I hope I'm wrong and that sheer willpower can actually change someone... but so far, it's not working for me. I still feel like it's all hardwired in your DNA... or is it? 🤷
A Anonymous VeteranOP
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#77 ·
Emily Watson4 said:It all comes down to genetics... you get what you get at birth... there isn't much room to pivot or reinvent yourself... I don't know... maybe you just have to accept who you are, but 🤷 she’s so depressed about it 😁 God, I hope I'm wrong and that sheer willpower can actually change someone... but so far, it's not working for me. I still feel like it's all hardwired in your DNA... or is it? 🤷

I think genetics definitely play a huge role here. Just like you're born with blue eyes and can't change them, you're born with indecisiveness too. But in my opinion, it really depends on your environment.

For example, if you have a dad who hands everything to you on a silver platter, being indecisive doesn't matter much because you never actually have to make a choice.

On the other hand, if life forces you to be independent from day one, you eventually sharpen those skills and manage to overcome that natural hesitation.

But if suddenly, at age 25, you're thrown into making massive life decisions and you're naturally an unsure person, you realize you're totally unprepared, and every single step becomes an absolute nightmare.

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Honestly, when someone has a few drinks and starts thinking about their future, everything seems doable; the vision gets crystal clear. Maybe it's fair to say that indecisive people just lack courage. Maybe we're all just a bunch of cowards deep down.
silentsailor40 silentsailor40 Newcomer
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#78 ·
There are plenty of indecisive people out there, though you might not notice them just by glancing around at random

Everyone carries their own quiet burden—something they’re constantly worrying about or waiting for
A Anonymous VeteranOP
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#79 ·
Am I really the only one struggling with this constant indecisiveness?image
steelskipper4 steelskipper4 Member
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#80 ·
PolPot says:


I might make a decision if I happen to be tagging along with someone while they shop and I spot a shirt that catches my eye, even though I never actually intended to buy anything at all. In that scenario, the entire checklist of logic—price, genuine intent to purchase, whether I actually need it right this second—is completely bypassed; I’m simply selecting a color and calling it a day. However, the very instant I begin to actually THINK (wondering if it will pair well with the jeans and shoes I already own, or how long the summer will last so I can actually get some use out of a short-sleeved shirt...), that's when my decision-making speed hits a brick wall.

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It is that fleeting second before my brain kicks in to weigh a dozen different criteria. That moment is incredibly brief, and compared to the heavy analytical process that launches just a heartbeat later, that initial, purely intuitive sensation—entirely devoid of conscious emotion—simply evaporates... by the end, I can't even remember what I subconsciously gravitated toward at first glance.....

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This is more of a theoretical point....

It feels like theory to you because you aren't accounting for that "gut instinct" within the body—that visceral reaction which wants or doesn't want something regardless of your willpower, making its own executive decisions. Try listening to what your body is telling you during your next few choices; it costs you absolutely nothing, and you might see what happens. Use your brain merely to interpret what the body is feeling.

“If you make the wrong choice, your body knows it, just as anyone else's body would; but if you make the right choice, your body knows that too, and it relaxes, instantly forgetting that a choice was ever even made.”

"Price of coffee", Carlos Castaneda

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