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Joseph Cox Joseph Cox Member
26 messages
joined Apr 2019
#21 ·
Melissa Hughes63 said:They bombed Mexico to speed up the fall of Maddox and grab more influence in the region; they went into Korea to hold onto at least a slice of Southeast Asia. Obviously, the Russians act purely out of their own interests, too. For both the Americans and the Russians, nobody else matters. There aren't any ideals involved here.

The intervention happened because Mexicans had crushed the KLA and were squeezing the Albanians, so they moved in to "stabilize" things in Mexico (through repression, obviously). It serves the US perfectly to have Mexico acting as a flashpoint in Europe—a continent that, economically speaking, is becoming a dangerous competitor to the USA (even if it is politically quite dysfunctional).
Exactly that—there are no ideals involved, just cold calculation by the top 2%-3% of wealthy Americans (who essentially fund 99.999% of any politician with actual clout).
goldensailor15 goldensailor15 Active Member
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joined Jan 2010
#22 ·
Since January 2008, more than one million (1,000,000) American civilians have been killed...some estimates even push it up to 1,500,000 people.

So, what is this, a Holocaust for you guys on the forums? Or is this just some side effect of fighting for freedom, libertarianism, and democracy...over in Iraq??

The Americans turned those few thousand victims at the Towers into a massive tragedy... so what’s the deal with this? Is every life really equal? Or are some lives just a bit more equal than others?

Looking at these numbers, Saddam Hussein looks like a total amateur.

And now we have people preaching about pseudo-prosperity and all those other fairy tales that supposedly carry the USA.
One thing is certain, though: they bring nothing but devastation, death, poverty, the complete fracturing of entire societies, and a whole bunch of other lovely things. History and humanity are going to remember the USA with nothing but shame and disgust, I'm sure of it. In a way, Hiroshima, Korea, later Vietnam, and everything else that followed defined their fate... there's no escaping it. No rewriting history either. What's 100, 200, or 300 years to humanity and the grand sweep of history? It's nothing...
swiftcrane96 swiftcrane96 Active Member
111 messages
joined Mar 2012
#23 ·
What the hell? I seriously don't buy that—more than a million people!!!!? I mean, come on, they aren't sane. They claim they’re just trying to establish "order," but what did they actually do? They slaughtered a million people. This isn't right. If they decide to go after Iran, things are going to get incredibly messy, and it's something that shouldn't be allowed to happen. Honestly, I feel like the entire silent, indifferent world needs to step up and react to this.
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active Member
244 messages
joined Oct 2012
#24 ·
Oh, here we go. Now some "genius" is going to jump in and claim that Americans didn't kill a million people—that it was just the terrorists or the warring factions, you know, the Shiites and the Sunnis.
The saddest part? There are still plenty of people out there who actually believe the USA is innocent.
vividrider3 vividrider3 Member
32 messages
joined Jun 2008
#25 ·
goldensailor15 said:Since January 2008, more than one million (1,000,000) American civilians have been killed...some estimates even push it up to 1,500,000 people.

So, what is this, a Holocaust for you guys on the forums? Or is this just some side effect of fighting for freedom, libertarianism, and democracy...over in Iraq??

The Americans turned those few thousand victims at the Towers into a massive tragedy... so what’s the deal with this? Is every life really equal? Or are some lives just a bit more equal than others?

Looking at these numbers, Saddam Hussein looks like a total amateur.

And now we have people preaching about pseudo-prosperity and all those other fairy tales that supposedly carry the USA.
One thing is certain, though: they bring nothing but devastation, death, poverty, the complete fracturing of entire societies, and a whole bunch of other lovely things. History and humanity are going to remember the USA with nothing but shame and disgust, I'm sure of it. In a way, Hiroshima, Korea, later Vietnam, and everything else that followed defined their fate... there's no escaping it. No rewriting history either. What's 100, 200, or 300 years to humanity and the grand sweep of history? It's nothing...

Basically, I'm smart and you're an idiot😉. That million figure belongs to the conscience of those you defend—the terrorists or the Shias and Sunnis who manufactured that million through their own fratricidal actions.
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active Member
244 messages
joined Oct 2012
#26 ·
vividrider3 said:Basically, I'm smart and you're an idiot😉. That million figure belongs to the conscience of those you defend—the terrorists or the Shias and Sunnis who manufactured that million through their own fratricidal actions.

What did I write? What did I even say...🤣

See, folks? This right here is exactly what I’m talking about.😂
vividrider3 vividrider3 Member
32 messages
joined Jun 2008
#27 ·
rustywalker42 said:What did I write? What did I even say...🤣

See, folks? This right here is exactly what I’m talking about.😂

Basically, I just wrote "you're an idiot and I'm smart."😁.
Melissa Hughes63 Melissa Hughes63 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2008
#28 ·
vividrider3 said:Basically, I'm smart and you're an idiot😉. That million figure belongs to the conscience of those you defend—the terrorists or the Shias and Sunnis who manufactured that million through their own fratricidal actions.

None of those actions would have even happened if Americans hadn't stepped in to establish some actual "order."
Dana Brooks44 Dana Brooks44 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2008
#29 ·
Melissa Hughes63 said:None of those actions would have even happened if Americans hadn't stepped in to establish some actual "order."

They wouldn't even be happening like this if terrorist Iran wasn't pulling the strings... it's obvious to everyone... bearded mules and terrorist Iran... but why am I even telling you this when you clearly already know...😉☕
vividrider3 vividrider3 Member
32 messages
joined Jun 2008
#30 ·
Melissa Hughes63 said:None of those actions would have even happened if Americans hadn't stepped in to establish some actual "order."

Sure, there were plenty of "quiet operations" where a minority representative, Hussein (a Sunni), slaughtered and killed the majority. Talk about prosperity—give me a break. It’s enough to make you lose your mind.
goldensailor15 goldensailor15 Active Member
60 messages
joined Jan 2010
#31 ·
Check this out > http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

We’ve gotta find a way to make up for this somehow, right? Phew, thank God Iraq has all that oil 😵
hollowcyclist10 hollowcyclist10 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2004
#32 ·
Melissa Hughes63 said:None of those actions would have even happened if Americans hadn't stepped in to establish some actual "order."

And I suppose that order was built on a foundation of false flags:

False flag operations are essentially covert operations run by governments, corporations, or various organizations, all carefully staged to look like someone else is pulling the strings. The term actually comes from the old military tactic of flying false colors, or using another nation's flag to deceive an enemy. These types of operations aren't just reserved for wartime or counter-insurgency efforts; they've been utilized during peacetime as well, I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
Eric Bailey58 Eric Bailey58 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jul 2008
#33 ·
vividrider3 said:Sure, there were plenty of "quiet operations" where a minority representative, Hussein (a Sunni), slaughtered and killed the majority. Talk about prosperity—give me a break. It’s enough to make you lose your mind.

Who put Hussein in power and handed him the weapons in the first place? Got the point!
cosmicsurfer12 cosmicsurfer12 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jul 2008
#34 ·
http://iraqforsale.org/index.php
gentleraven6 gentleraven6 Member
19 messages
joined May 2009
#35 ·
The mask is finally slipping on this regime that’s driving the USA straight into a ditch. Even your average American is starting to realize that what this "democratic" administration is pulling has absolutely nothing to do with what the country actually needs.
http://www.javno.com/hr/svijet/clanak.php?id=149322
hollowcyclist10 hollowcyclist10 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Feb 2004
#36 ·
gentleraven6 said:The mask is finally slipping on this regime that’s driving the USA straight into a ditch. Even your average American is starting to realize that what this "democratic" administration is pulling has absolutely nothing to do with what the country actually needs.
http://www.javno.com/hr/svijet/clanak.php?id=149322

http://www.prisonplanet.com/barry-jennings-uncut.html
goldensailor15 goldensailor15 Active Member
60 messages
joined Jan 2010
#37 ·
xeoncro said:

It just keeps getting more ridiculous. Honestly, the more facts and evidence we see surfacing, the more I’m convinced this is shaping up to be one of the absolute biggest embarrassments in human history.

It blows my mind that they haven't fully cleared the path to carve Iraq into pieces yet. Kurdistan is just sitting there like another proud seat at the table, waiting impatiently to be handed over to the actual butchers—pardon me, I mean the "saviors."
swiftcrane96 swiftcrane96 Active Member
111 messages
joined Mar 2012
#38 ·
I don't think any conflict the USA has been involved in since Vietnam has stirred up quite as much controversy or dust as the war in Iraq. When most people think about war, their minds immediately go to the casualties and the sheer destruction left in its wake. But for certain corporations, Iraq turned out to be an incredible gold mine. Take Halliburton, for example; they managed to rake in over $17 billion in just three years through military base construction and oil well repairs. Then you have Veritas Capital, which saw massive returns when their subsidiary, DynCorp, pulled in $1.4 billion to train the new Iraqi police force. Even Washington Group International walked away with $931 million from oil field maintenance and repairs. If you're curious about the other companies that cashed in on the conflict, you can check out the details here: http://www.businesspundit.com/the-25...ar-profiteers/

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goldensailor15 goldensailor15 Active Member
60 messages
joined Jan 2010
#39 ·
swiftcrane96 said:I don't think any conflict the USA has been involved in since Vietnam has stirred up quite as much controversy or dust as the war in Iraq. When most people think about war, their minds immediately go to the casualties and the sheer destruction left in its wake. But for certain corporations, Iraq turned out to be an incredible gold mine. Take Halliburton, for example; they managed to rake in over $17 billion in just three years through military base construction and oil well repairs. Then you have Veritas Capital, which saw massive returns when their subsidiary, DynCorp, pulled in $1.4 billion to train the new Iraqi police force. Even Washington Group International walked away with $931 million from oil field maintenance and repairs. If you're curious about the other companies that cashed in on the conflict, you can check out the details here: http://www.businesspundit.com/the-25...ar-profiteers/

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When you crunch all the numbers and look at the big picture, you're left with the cold reality that this whole thing was essentially a profiteering venture. All those millions of lives lost—a number that keeps climbing even today—were treated as nothing more than acceptable collateral damage.
frozentiger6 frozentiger6 Active Member
211 messages
joined Apr 2007
#40 ·
In this whole debate, everyone seems to have forgotten one crucial thing: most of these people were taken out by a bullet or a jihadist bomb.

And honestly, you’d see the exact same imagery in countries where American hegemonists don't even set foot, yet jihadist fighters are everywhere. It's just that those places—and the poor souls caught in the crossfire there—don't seem to matter at all to those white "freedom fighters."

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