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Who's liable for online banking fraud?

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Participants casualsurfer6Steven ReedNicholas TurnerNicole Jamesredotter1Gary Sanchez8Jose Jamesdarkheron922wanderingranger41
casualsurfer6 casualsurfer6 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Quick question for anyone who knows their stuff here!

Someone managed to get a hold of my online banking login and just transferred my money to another account.

What steps should I take to get my funds back? Is JPMorgan Chase liable for this, or should I just report the theft straight away?

Thanks.
Steven Reed Steven Reed Regular
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#2 ·
So, you're telling me he actually needed your security token and PIN to pull that off???
casualsurfer6 casualsurfer6 NewcomerOP
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#3 ·
Steven Reed said:So, you're telling me he actually needed your security token and PIN to pull that off???

Yep, both. But here's what happened...
Steven Reed Steven Reed Regular
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#4 ·
Given how JPMorgan Chase operates, the bank isn't actually at fault here.
As for the legalities—or your chances of suing the person responsible—this PDF should clear things up. Personally, I’d report it to the police immediately and notify the bank to kill that token before they can strike again.
casualsurfer6 casualsurfer6 NewcomerOP
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#5 ·
Steven Reed said:Given how JPMorgan Chase operates, the bank isn't actually at fault here.
As for the legalities—or your chances of suing the person responsible—this PDF should clear things up. Personally, I’d report it to the police immediately and notify the bank to kill that token before they can strike again.

thank you Steven Reed🙂 , that's exactly what I figured, just wasn't 100% sure. Only thing is, where's the PDF 😕?
Nicholas Turner Nicholas Turner Active Member
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#6 ·
pdf=podforum 👋
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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joined Dec 2010
#7 ·
In this specific situation, we're looking at two distinct lapses in judgment on your part. First, you allowed someone to physically take your token, and you didn't report the theft immediately—which is usually the first thing any financial institution expects. Second, you shared your PIN with another individual, despite the fact that banks—and frankly, common sense—explicitly state you should memorize it and keep it strictly to yourself. Because of these factors, I suspect it will be nearly impossible to shift any liability onto the bank.
redotter1 redotter1 Newcomer
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#8 ·
As everyone has pointed out, a bank like JPMorgan Chase bears absolutely no liability in these situations. In fact, if I recall correctly, your user agreement likely explicitly forbids you from sharing your PIN with anyone at all.
Technically speaking, once you hand over that code to a stranger, you've essentially granted them full authorization to treat your account as their own.
While you certainly have the right to sue that individual, I wouldn't hold my breath for any meaningful recovery; besides, I hope you realize that chasing someone through the legal system can easily drag on for years.
Gary Sanchez8 Gary Sanchez8 Newcomer
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#9 ·
Miso, I’ve been thinking about something: if you actually lost your token (did you?), and someone stumbled upon it and tried to log into your online banking, I just don't get how they could pull that off without knowing your PIN... At my bank, Chase, the token automatically locks itself after three failed PIN attempts, and to get it unlocked or even reset, you have to submit a formal, notarized letter requesting access... It seems pretty unlikely that a stranger would guess the right PIN within just three tries, so you should really check if the token was locked by the bank, find out how it got unlocked (if it was), and definitely notify the bank immediately about the loss or theft so they can freeze your online access entirely... Now, if someone you actually know used your token—and you were careless enough to share your PIN with them, which is honestly such a rookie mistake—then that's strictly on you... But still, try to track down which account that money was sent to, then reach out to that bank's claims department, explain the whole situation, and ask them to reverse the transaction back to your account since it was an error... I really think that might work for you because at the end of the day, getting your money back is what matters most, and from what I've seen, banks can often process a reversal based on a formal request from the sender, regardless of why the payment happened in the first place... Just make sure all your sensitive info, like your PIN, stays strictly between you and no one else from now on... Bye!
Steven Reed Steven Reed Regular
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#10 ·
A bank can technically initiate a refund—but only, and I mean strictly, if the account holder gives the green light. If someone has already moved those funds into their own pocket—or, say, transferred them to a Chase account—getting the bank to agree to reverse the transaction is a monumental uphill battle.
Jose James Jose James Newcomer
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#11 ·
Don't go sitting down at your keyboard while you're wasted, because this is how absolute disasters happen.☕
Next thing you know, you'll be claiming the account where all that money vanished was some top-secret offshore thing.🤣
darkheron922 darkheron922 Newcomer
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#12 ·
casualsurfer6 said:Quick question for anyone who knows their stuff here!

Someone managed to get a hold of my online banking login and just transferred my money to another account.

What steps should I take to get my funds back? Is JPMorgan Chase liable for this, or should I just report the theft straight away?

Thanks.

How exactly are you planning to report a theft for something you basically handed over on a silver platter?😕
wanderingranger41 wanderingranger41 Newcomer
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#13 ·
😂Did your wife take issue with you and wipe out your bank account or something?
My husband figured out that if we have a fight the night before and things are quiet during Sunday service, his best bet is to grab his hardware token and bring it to work with him. He’s terrified of what might happen when he tries to log in and finds it missing... he knows once I'm pissed off, I'm capable of just about anything. Usually, he keeps it tucked right next to his MacBook.🤣

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