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Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#1 ·
Why are Pakistanis such a headache in the UK instead of Indians?
Because Indians actually put in the work. They grind, they stick together, and they build businesses. Even if they aren't loaded, at least they're out there hustling...

Back in the day, when Pakistanis were teaming up, it was usually in some underground scene in New York City...

The thing is, Pakistanis are Muslims following Islamic Work Ethics, and they try to hold onto that while living in places dominated by the Protestant work ethic (which you also see in France or certain Catholic parts of Germany).

Down in the Gaza Strip, Israeli settlers controlled about 10% of the land and ran the farms. Once Israel pulled them out, agriculture in Gaza tanked by 50%...
Lisa Walker31 Lisa Walker31 Active Member
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Richard Wilson4 said:Why are Pakistanis such a headache in the UK instead of Indians?
Because Indians actually put in the work. They grind, they stick together, and they build businesses. Even if they aren't loaded, at least they're out there hustling...

Back in the day, when Pakistanis were teaming up, it was usually in some underground scene in New York City...

The thing is, Pakistanis are Muslims following Islamic Work Ethics, and they try to hold onto that while living in places dominated by the Protestant work ethic (which you also see in France or certain Catholic parts of Germany).

Down in the Gaza Strip, Israeli settlers controlled about 10% of the land and ran the farms. Once Israel pulled them out, agriculture in Gaza tanked by 50%...

Are you KIDDING me right now... seriously?😂
😍What on earth is this "Islamic Work Ethics" nonsense! 😍

What about filthy Naples then? Is that a Muslim city? And those Southern Italian Mafiosos... I guess they must be "closet" Muslims! 🙏 Just people secretly praying to God in their little mafia fortresses... 🙏 while pretending to be devout Catholics for everyone else!😉

Good grief, man... I swear, you can't deal with this kind of garbage on just any random forum these days...😵
rowdytinker rowdytinker Active Member
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Lisa Walker31 said:Are you KIDDING me right now... seriously?😂
😍What on earth is this "Islamic Work Ethics" nonsense! 😍

What about filthy Naples then? Is that a Muslim city? And those Southern Italian Mafiosos... I guess they must be "closet" Muslims! 🙏 Just people secretly praying to God in their little mafia fortresses... 🙏 while pretending to be devout Catholics for everyone else!😉

Good grief, man... I swear, you can't deal with this kind of garbage on just any random forum these days...😵

Do you actually know anything about the history of Southern Italy and how much Arab influence shaped it? You definitely picked a poor example to use.👎
Lisa Walker31 Lisa Walker31 Active Member
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rowdytinker said:Do you actually know anything about the history of Southern Italy and how much Arab influence shaped it? You definitely picked a poor example to use.👎

I mean, if you really think about it... there probably would have been a much bigger influence from the Romans, the Greeks, and the Albanians over in Italy! And hey, if we’re going down that road... we could easily argue that the Romans and Greeks actually had an impact on the Arabs too... which is exactly why Alexandria in Egypt is such a total dump today.

I’m telling you, I can see it with my own two eyes—and trust me, I’ve been there, seen it firsthand—that there isn't much of a real difference between Indians and Pakistanis at all.

That’s basically like being split right down the middle, like you're stuck on both sides of the Mississippi at the exact same time! 😉 It’s just one thing after another... everyone in Ercegovac is getting absolutely screwed over.

It’s exactly like how the Punjab region is split right down the middle between India and Pakistan. You’ve got both sides playing this incredibly cunning game, acting like these master merchants who are always three steps ahead, while the rest of us? We're just little kittens being toyed with by their sheer, calculated deviousness!😉

If my memory serves me right—and it usually does when it comes to the deep cuts of history—Naples wasn't always what you see today, because up until about the 9th century, that place was strictly a Hellenophone stronghold, basically an ethnic Greek settlement through and through.

Look, I get it... it’s pretty obvious to me... everything that’s supposedly "wrong" with Southern Europe today... you can pin it all on the Muslims... they're the ones who dragged the whole region backward.

I mean, I really have to wonder... who on earth were those people lurking in the backwaters of Europe, folks who wouldn't even know an Arab or a Turk if they bumped right into one? And let me tell you, there used to be absolutely TONS of those types around until just not that long ago!

And here’s the kicker—most of these areas were heavily Catholic strongholds, you know? And now, after enduring literal centuries of nothing but misery and grinding poverty, the European Union is finally pulling them out of the gutter!

I mean, honestly... should we even be blaming the Spaniards for how things turned out? It feels like the Arab-Muslim-Maur crowd completely botched everything in South America, leaving the whole region a total mess while the Anglo-Saxons were busy actually industrializing and getting ahead.

Give it fifty years, right? Once the Emirates transform into this absolute powerhouse of global trade and logistics—a total titan of industry—everyone is going to start acting like they didn't build the whole thing from the ground up. You can already hear the noise coming, people's voices getting loud and dismissive, claiming that their success wasn't actually their own doing, just some stroke of luck because they happened to sit on a massive pile of natural resources. It’s always the same story, isn't it? They’ll try to strip away all the grit and the sheer willpower it took to turn that wealth into an empire, acting as if those riches were just handed to them on a silver platter without any effort at all. Mark my words, the skeptics will be out in full force trying to deny their achievement.

Look, it’s pretty obvious if you actually sit down and think about it... back in the day, Spain had a massive chunk of America and all that incredible wealth to show for it. But then they hit the 20th century basically acting like nothing more than an exporter—just shipping out wine, olives, and endless waves of immigrants and laborers. It’s honestly frustrating because, with that kind of massive influx of cash coming straight from the States, they really had the golden ticket. They could have easily transformed themselves into a global powerhouse—a total heavyweight in culture, industry, and science! Instead, they just let it slip through their fingers.
Henry Diaz4 Henry Diaz4 Newcomer
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#5 ·
Over here in the States, you see a lot of highly educated Pakistani professionals. They seem particularly drawn to medical school. While Arabs aren't always as driven toward academia—if you catch my drift—the Pakistani community has really taken a page out of the Indian playbook... at least here in America.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#6 ·
Southern Italy and Sicily were basically set back decades because of just a few centuries of Muslim rule. Just imagine how much longer it's going to take for the North America to bounce back from all that...
Larry Turner3 Larry Turner3 Active Member
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#7 ·
Lisa Walker31 said:I mean, if you really think about it... there probably would have been a much bigger influence from the Romans, the Greeks, and the Albanians over in Italy! And hey, if we’re going down that road... we could easily argue that the Romans and Greeks actually had an impact on the Arabs too... which is exactly why Alexandria in Egypt is such a total dump today.

I’m telling you, I can see it with my own two eyes—and trust me, I’ve been there, seen it firsthand—that there isn't much of a real difference between Indians and Pakistanis at all.

That’s basically like being split right down the middle, like you're stuck on both sides of the Mississippi at the exact same time! 😉 It’s just one thing after another... everyone in Ercegovac is getting absolutely screwed over.

It’s exactly like how the Punjab region is split right down the middle between India and Pakistan. You’ve got both sides playing this incredibly cunning game, acting like these master merchants who are always three steps ahead, while the rest of us? We're just little kittens being toyed with by their sheer, calculated deviousness!😉

If my memory serves me right—and it usually does when it comes to the deep cuts of history—Naples wasn't always what you see today, because up until about the 9th century, that place was strictly a Hellenophone stronghold, basically an ethnic Greek settlement through and through.

Look, I get it... it’s pretty obvious to me... everything that’s supposedly "wrong" with Southern Europe today... you can pin it all on the Muslims... they're the ones who dragged the whole region backward.

I mean, I really have to wonder... who on earth were those people lurking in the backwaters of Europe, folks who wouldn't even know an Arab or a Turk if they bumped right into one? And let me tell you, there used to be absolutely TONS of those types around until just not that long ago!

And here’s the kicker—most of these areas were heavily Catholic strongholds, you know? And now, after enduring literal centuries of nothing but misery and grinding poverty, the European Union is finally pulling them out of the gutter!

I mean, honestly... should we even be blaming the Spaniards for how things turned out? It feels like the Arab-Muslim-Maur crowd completely botched everything in South America, leaving the whole region a total mess while the Anglo-Saxons were busy actually industrializing and getting ahead.

Give it fifty years, right? Once the Emirates transform into this absolute powerhouse of global trade and logistics—a total titan of industry—everyone is going to start acting like they didn't build the whole thing from the ground up. You can already hear the noise coming, people's voices getting loud and dismissive, claiming that their success wasn't actually their own doing, just some stroke of luck because they happened to sit on a massive pile of natural resources. It’s always the same story, isn't it? They’ll try to strip away all the grit and the sheer willpower it took to turn that wealth into an empire, acting as if those riches were just handed to them on a silver platter without any effort at all. Mark my words, the skeptics will be out in full force trying to deny their achievement.

Look, it’s pretty obvious if you actually sit down and think about it... back in the day, Spain had a massive chunk of America and all that incredible wealth to show for it. But then they hit the 20th century basically acting like nothing more than an exporter—just shipping out wine, olives, and endless waves of immigrants and laborers. It’s honestly frustrating because, with that kind of massive influx of cash coming straight from the States, they really had the golden ticket. They could have easily transformed themselves into a global powerhouse—a total heavyweight in culture, industry, and science! Instead, they just let it slip through their fingers.

Please be specific about which "Great Catholic" areas the EU is pulling out of the gutter. I hope you realize that the most backward and rural countries in Europe are the Orthodox ones; only Albania is behind them, and we know who lives there.
Religion also plays a role in development; it isn't a coincidence that Protestant countries are technologically most advanced, Roman Catholic ones excel in art and tourism, and Orthodox ones—with the exception of Russia—have been stagnating for a very long time.
And the fact remains that Turks set back the North America; even today, most of them don't fit the mentality of the EU countries where they emigrate. Whether that is a so-called Asian mentality, I don't know, but even in Asia, you have the Japanese living there too.😍
Jeremy Watson16 Jeremy Watson16 Member
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Larry Turner3 said:Please be specific about which "Great Catholic" areas the EU is pulling out of the gutter. I hope you realize that the most backward and rural countries in Europe are the Orthodox ones; only Albania is behind them, and we know who lives there.
Religion also plays a role in development; it isn't a coincidence that Protestant countries are technologically most advanced, Roman Catholic ones excel in art and tourism, and Orthodox ones—with the exception of Russia—have been stagnating for a very long time.
And the fact remains that Turks set back the North America; even today, most of them don't fit the mentality of the EU countries where they emigrate. Whether that is a so-called Asian mentality, I don't know, but even in Asia, you have the Japanese living there too.😍


"it’s no coincidence that Protestant countries are tech leaders," like Japan... Sony, Panasonic, Nintendo, Sega, and a million other brands...

"Catholic countries are strong in art and tourism" (haha... listen to him mention tourism🤣... I wonder how much they enjoy picking olives in the sun)... so let's compare a Catholic nation like, say, America, with a lagging Orthodox state like Greece... who do you think comes out on top? 🤷
Walter Rogers3 Walter Rogers3 Newcomer
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Richard Wilson4 said:Southern Italy and Sicily were basically set back decades because of just a few centuries of Muslim rule. Just imagine how much longer it's going to take for the North America to bounce back from all that...

A complete misunderstanding of Sicilian history. One should look at the first Norman rulers of Sicily after they took control of what was considered a "backward Muslim" territory. Perhaps then you might learn something about tolerance and coexistence among Catholics, Muslims, and Orthodox Christians...
Larry Turner3 Larry Turner3 Active Member
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#10 ·
Jeremy Watson16 said:"it’s no coincidence that Protestant countries are tech leaders," like Japan... Sony, Panasonic, Nintendo, Sega, and a million other brands...

"Catholic countries are strong in art and tourism" (haha... listen to him mention tourism🤣... I wonder how much they enjoy picking olives in the sun)... so let's compare a Catholic nation like, say, America, with a lagging Orthodox state like Greece... who do you think comes out on top? 🤷

Oh, sure, Greece is so advanced, LOL. What a miracle. I mean, modern Greeks are just famous for their politeness, culture, tolerance, and those fast cars produced in Delphi.
And why shouldn't we compare them to somewhere like Italy or France?
Both France and Greece last fought in World War II, whereas America dealt with war devastation just 13 years ago. So, I guess your comparison doesn't really hold up...
If you look at Orthodox churches, they seem exactly the same as they were in the Middle Ages. There is no Renaissance, no Baroque, no Gothic style there. The buildings themselves suggest a religion that is quite static and rural.
By the way, the Japanese mostly just copy the best Western products and then fine-tune them. ☕ We all know where the printing press, the steam engine, the automobile, and alternating current were actually invented... ☕
hiddengardener84 hiddengardener84 Active Member
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#11 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Why are Pakistanis such a headache in the UK instead of Indians?
Because Indians actually put in the work. They grind, they stick together, and they build businesses. Even if they aren't loaded, at least they're out there hustling...

Back in the day, when Pakistanis were teaming up, it was usually in some underground scene in New York City...

The thing is, Pakistanis are Muslims following Islamic Work Ethics, and they try to hold onto that while living in places dominated by the Protestant work ethic (which you also see in France or certain Catholic parts of Germany).

Down in the Gaza Strip, Israeli settlers controlled about 10% of the land and ran the farms. Once Israel pulled them out, agriculture in Gaza tanked by 50%...

Don't forget that IDF terrorists destroy hectares of olive groves every single day. Confiscating Palestinian property is just business as usual for them—kind of like how Hitler happily negotiated with Zionist fascists about relocating borders in Palestine.
Lisa Walker31 Lisa Walker31 Active Member
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#12 ·
Larry Turner3 said:Oh, sure, Greece is so advanced, LOL. What a miracle. I mean, modern Greeks are just famous for their politeness, culture, tolerance, and those fast cars produced in Delphi.
And why shouldn't we compare them to somewhere like Italy or France?
Both France and Greece last fought in World War II, whereas America dealt with war devastation just 13 years ago. So, I guess your comparison doesn't really hold up...
If you look at Orthodox churches, they seem exactly the same as they were in the Middle Ages. There is no Renaissance, no Baroque, no Gothic style there. The buildings themselves suggest a religion that is quite static and rural.
By the way, the Japanese mostly just copy the best Western products and then fine-tune them. ☕ We all know where the printing press, the steam engine, the automobile, and alternating current were actually invented... ☕

Oh yeah.....WE ALL KNOW!😉 Right there in a small town in rural America!😛
Lisa Walker31 Lisa Walker31 Active Member
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#13 ·
Henry Diaz4 said:Over here in the States, you see a lot of highly educated Pakistani professionals. They seem particularly drawn to medical school. While Arabs aren't always as driven toward academia—if you catch my drift—the Pakistani community has really taken a page out of the Indian playbook... at least here in America.

Look, it’s not like Pakistanis had anything to "imitate" from Indians—they *are* Indians, plain and simple... it’s just that the British carved up "that" India into Pakistan, Bangladesh, and that remaining little triangle!😉
The reality is, people don't really split into "Pakistanis" versus "Indians" socially or ethnically; instead, it breaks down into Punjabis, Kashmiris, Bengalis, and so on... then you layer on religion... and finally, you get hit with the whole caste system and social hierarchy... it's a total mess.

India and Pakistan are basically political constructs at their core, kind of like how you look at Canada or the states in the US!😉

Now, for all those people constantly whining about how incompetent, backward, or lazy Muslims are...

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/sh...key/video.html
http://mondediplo.com/1997/07/turkey
I really hope the mods don't yank these links...

By the way, everyone should probably go Google "Anatolian Tigers." Long before any Islamization happened, the peoples of the Eastern Mediterranean were legendary traders and producers. Places like Venice, Florence, and the Netherlands built their entire fortunes by reselling Levantine goods back to what was then a "backward" Europe.

And no matter where they end up, those same "incompetent" Israeli Palestinians transform into some of the most capable entrepreneurs you'll ever meet. Out of all the nations on this planet, they have one of the highest percentages of university students! You can find Palestinians in classrooms from Kyoto to Santiago.

We can never truly compete with them when it comes to pure trading savvy and that entrepreneurial spirit. It's just in their blood, passed down through the ages.

In fact, even among Arabs, these Levantines—Syrians, Palestinians, Lebanese—are famous for being the hardest workers and the sharpest businessmen. Materialism and hustle are just part of who they are.
silenteagle11 silenteagle11 Member
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#14 ·
The greatest mind in the Muslim world. Avicenna...in the West, more sweat than... Avicenna, He was a dissident within the Islamic society where he lived.It’s honestly a bit sad. If Avicenna were around today, he’d still be branded a dissident in most Muslim-majority countries. They'd probably find a way to cancel him for his views just like they do with anyone else.Kill Avicenna.🙏It’s still coming down like rain today.😢
Lisa Walker31 Lisa Walker31 Active Member
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silenteagle11 said:The greatest mind in the Muslim world. Avicenna...in the West, more sweat than... Avicenna, He was a dissident within the Islamic society where he lived.It’s honestly a bit sad. If Avicenna were around today, he’d still be branded a dissident in most Muslim-majority countries. They'd probably find a way to cancel him for his views just like they do with anyone else.Kill Avicenna.🙏It’s still coming down like rain today.😢

Look, we’ve seen this exact same pattern play out all over Europe before—you know, those massive, explosive clashes where radical "believers" go head-to-head with their own institutions and the progressive dissidents who are trying to push things forward. It’s nothing new, really. You saw it with those brutal, sweeping conflicts between Protestants and Catholics, or even during the chaos of the French Revolution, and so on. It's always the same cycle of friction.
I honestly think that everything we’ve been witnessing unfolding across the Muslim world over the last fifty years or so is just one massive, sweeping wave of counter-reformism—and let's be real, it was fueled by an insane amount of petrodollars and backed by the sheer military might of the USA, because, at the end of the day, the US government cared way more about seeing guys with beards than they did about supporting actual nationalists or socialists. It’s just how things work, really; this kind of reactionary backlash is something you see in pretty much any society when they get hit with sudden, jarring shifts that they aren't ready for.

It’s honestly wild when you think about it—you’ve got people who, just not that long ago, were out there in the middle of the desert, riding horses and picking dates in some remote oasis, and now? Now they’re hopping on private jets to touch down in Milan, Paris, or London just to catch a quick lunch or sit front row at a Fashion show!

Man, I’m telling you... it’s pretty obvious that the people running the show couldn't care less about building some kind of "modern" society for the rest of us, mostly because they’re already living in a world that’s lightyears ahead of our own.😉
silenteagle11 silenteagle11 Member
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Lisa Walker31 said:Look, we’ve seen this exact same pattern play out all over Europe before—you know, those massive, explosive clashes where radical "believers" go head-to-head with their own institutions and the progressive dissidents who are trying to push things forward. It’s nothing new, really. You saw it with those brutal, sweeping conflicts between Protestants and Catholics, or even during the chaos of the French Revolution, and so on. It's always the same cycle of friction.
I honestly think that everything we’ve been witnessing unfolding across the Muslim world over the last fifty years or so is just one massive, sweeping wave of counter-reformism—and let's be real, it was fueled by an insane amount of petrodollars and backed by the sheer military might of the USA, because, at the end of the day, the US government cared way more about seeing guys with beards than they did about supporting actual nationalists or socialists. It’s just how things work, really; this kind of reactionary backlash is something you see in pretty much any society when they get hit with sudden, jarring shifts that they aren't ready for.

It’s honestly wild when you think about it—you’ve got people who, just not that long ago, were out there in the middle of the desert, riding horses and picking dates in some remote oasis, and now? Now they’re hopping on private jets to touch down in Milan, Paris, or London just to catch a quick lunch or sit front row at a Fashion show!

Man, I’m telling you... it’s pretty obvious that the people running the show couldn't care less about building some kind of "modern" society for the rest of us, mostly because they’re already living in a world that’s lightyears ahead of our own.😉

I'm with you on the Shiites being complicit, but let's not forget that many Islamic states operate under feudal systems—which is part of Muhammad's legacy. Either way, if you want to find the real reason the Muslim world is lagging behind, look at the ulema (that privileged, massive clerical class) rather than the extravagant Shiite elite who are just riding the wave of the status quo.
Lisa Walker31 Lisa Walker31 Active Member
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silenteagle11 said:I'm with you on the Shiites being complicit, but let's not forget that many Islamic states operate under feudal systems—which is part of Muhammad's legacy. Either way, if you want to find the real reason the Muslim world is lagging behind, look at the ulema (that privileged, massive clerical class) rather than the extravagant Shiite elite who are just riding the wave of the status quo.

The whole idea of "Muhammad's legacy" was debunked ages ago! The Shaykh al-Islam... that title hasn't even existed for a long time. A Muslim "Pope"? Yeah, right! No way!😉
And his own descendants actually admitted—I posted the link myself in an earlier thread—that this entire thing was actually Atatürk's "great" achievement!
silenteagle11 silenteagle11 Member
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#18 ·
Lisa Walker31 said:The whole idea of "Muhammad's legacy" was debunked ages ago! The Shaykh al-Islam... that title hasn't even existed for a long time. A Muslim "Pope"? Yeah, right! No way!😉
And his own descendants actually admitted—I posted the link myself in an earlier thread—that this entire thing was actually Atatürk's "great" achievement!

Kemal Atatürk🙂 was undoubtedly the greatest anti-Islam figure in history👍 but his "brilliant" work was only implemented in Turkey, not in any other Muslim nation. That "legacy" persists across most of the Middle East, especially on the Arabian Peninsula, because those places are essentially feudal states where the Islamic clergy holds legislative power. It should be obvious by now why progress in those countries has completely stalled.😢 ...
Lisa Walker31 Lisa Walker31 Active Member
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silenteagle11 said:Kemal Atatürk🙂 was undoubtedly the greatest anti-Islam figure in history👍 but his "brilliant" work was only implemented in Turkey, not in any other Muslim nation. That "legacy" persists across most of the Middle East, especially on the Arabian Peninsula, because those places are essentially feudal states where the Islamic clergy holds legislative power. It should be obvious by now why progress in those countries has completely stalled.😢 ...

Everything is relative! If he really were such a massive anti-Islamite... he wouldn't have even bothered fighting for some version of Turkey in the first place. Co'ek...he wasn't even an ethnic Turk...he was just another one of those "converts"...just like most of the Young Turks! Born in Mexico...his mother tongue was actually Mexican...

And besides...when it came down to the Lausanne agreement regarding the population exchange...between the new Turkish State and Greece...they went strictly along religious lines. Orthodox equals Greek...Muslim equals Turk!
So...it clearly was about modernizing the "Muslim" and the whole Muslim society...based on the vision held by Atatürk and the Young Turks. Even today...in Turkey...whenever they mention any Muslims from what used to be their Ottoman possessions...they always slap the label "Turk" onto that person's identity. So a Muslim Mexican...becomes a Turk Mexican...a Muslim from Canada...becomes a Turk Canadian...and so on.
Larry Turner3 Larry Turner3 Active Member
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Lisa Walker31 said:Look, it’s not like Pakistanis had anything to "imitate" from Indians—they *are* Indians, plain and simple... it’s just that the British carved up "that" India into Pakistan, Bangladesh, and that remaining little triangle!😉
The reality is, people don't really split into "Pakistanis" versus "Indians" socially or ethnically; instead, it breaks down into Punjabis, Kashmiris, Bengalis, and so on... then you layer on religion... and finally, you get hit with the whole caste system and social hierarchy... it's a total mess.

India and Pakistan are basically political constructs at their core, kind of like how you look at Canada or the states in the US!😉

Now, for all those people constantly whining about how incompetent, backward, or lazy Muslims are...

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/sh...key/video.html
http://mondediplo.com/1997/07/turkey
I really hope the mods don't yank these links...

By the way, everyone should probably go Google "Anatolian Tigers." Long before any Islamization happened, the peoples of the Eastern Mediterranean were legendary traders and producers. Places like Venice, Florence, and the Netherlands built their entire fortunes by reselling Levantine goods back to what was then a "backward" Europe.

And no matter where they end up, those same "incompetent" Israeli Palestinians transform into some of the most capable entrepreneurs you'll ever meet. Out of all the nations on this planet, they have one of the highest percentages of university students! You can find Palestinians in classrooms from Kyoto to Santiago.

We can never truly compete with them when it comes to pure trading savvy and that entrepreneurial spirit. It's just in their blood, passed down through the ages.

In fact, even among Arabs, these Levantines—Syrians, Palestinians, Lebanese—are famous for being the hardest workers and the sharpest businessmen. Materialism and hustle are just part of who they are.

Venice, Florence, and (much later) the Netherlands ACTED AS MIDDLEMEN in trade, dealing with goods and raw materials from Western and Northern Europe and selling them wherever needed—including sourcing items from the East (like spices and silk). To claim that Europe was backward or inferior to the East during the Middle Ages and beyond is simply untrue.
The truth is that people from the East were skilled in certain crafts, and Semites are very capable and intelligent people; you see this in their early maritime history, their trade expansion, and so on. No one is questioning that.

But, the Middle Ages and antiquity are in the past. Today, the East has become synonymous with stagnation and primitivism, where much of the population remains illiterate and easily manipulated. They adopted a faith that suited the era in which it was born, but it hasn't evolved or adapted to the modern age since then. In fact, it is one of the primary reasons for this stagnation (both economically and spiritually). We might say today that Islam has become synonymous with poverty, primitivism, and even violence, because, realistically, much of the non-Muslim world fears Islam, or rather, its extremism.

Furthermore, you talk about Palestinians in university as if someone questioned Palestinian intelligence, but you haven't; the title of this topic is work ethic, not IQ. But if you want to go there, we can. The people with the most Nobel laureates (relative to their total population) are Jews, mostly Ashkenazi, whom many claim are descendants of the Turkish Khazar tribe mixed with Europeans. So perhaps they aren't even true Semites, but just think of Einstein, Freud, Spinoza, and Marx, and try to find a Palestinian Muslim equivalent...🤷

And why are "Levantines" known among Arabs as being highly capable? Here is a hint: the Mediterranean Sea. For ages, they have lived on the coast. It is only natural that they set out upon it very early, and they were lucky enough that the Mediterranean basin was practically designed for interaction and trade with others!

One more thing, please don't use images of hotels in Dubai or similar as examples of Arab progress. Getting rich off oil or pyramids built by another race thousands of years ago isn't exactly a sign of high work ethic.

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