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You could also argue that Mario Monti basically tanked, sitting under 10% right now when his pre-election polls were hovering closer to 14 or 15%. That means even if Berzani—who was backing him and eyeing up a coalition—actually pulls through, he’s going to run into a massive wall in the House of Representatives trying to play nice with someone who has zero mandate from the people.

Nicholas Morales48 said:You could also argue that Mario Monti basically tanked, sitting under 10% right now when his pre-election polls were hovering closer to 14 or 15%. That means even if Berzani—who was backing him and eyeing up a coalition—actually pulls through, he’s going to run into a massive wall in the House of Representatives trying to play nice with someone who has zero mandate from the people.

You've got a point there. Mario Monti and Bersani are definitely the losers here, while Beppe Grillo and Silvio Berlusconi are walking away as the winners.

The pollsters really missed the mark on this one.

It looks increasingly likely that Berlusconi will take control of the legislature too, since the exit polls for both the Senate and the House are looking pretty much identical.

Senate tally at 63%

Silvio Berlusconi 31.6%
Bersani 29.2%
Beppe Grillo 24.7%
Mario Monti 8.6%

Any idea when the House results start trickling in? 😕

Man, if the left actually tanks in both chambers after leading by such a huge margin in all those pre-election polls, that would be a massive, massive blowout.

Carol Newman2 said:Senate tally at 63%

Silvio Berlusconi 31.6%
Bersani 29.2%
Beppe Grillo 24.7%
Mario Monti 8.6%

The king is back🙂

Carol Newman2 said:Senate tally at 63%

Silvio Berlusconi 31.6%
Bersani 29.2%
Beppe Grillo 24.7%
Mario Monti 8.6%

That’s a pretty massive chunk of votes already in the bag, so looks like Silvio might actually pull this off and take the win 😁

In Sicily, Beppe Grillo came out on top. He secured 31% compared to Silvio Berlusconi's 25%. 😁

Robert Clark4 said:Any idea when the House results start trickling in? 😕

Man, if the left actually tanks in both chambers after leading by such a huge margin in all those pre-election polls, that would be a massive, massive blowout.

Once the Senate votes are tallied, we should see the results for the House of Representatives rolling in.

If voters were lying to pollsters about the Senate, why wouldn't they do the same for the House? Honestly, Silvio Berlusconi should probably be walking away with a win in both houses at this point. ☕

Nicholas Morales48 said:That’s a pretty massive chunk of votes already in the bag, so looks like Silvio might actually pull this off and take the win 😁

Seems that way. It’s bizarre, though—both our media and the local news here are acting like it's some massive victory for the left. 😁

http://www.repubblica.it/static/spec...nazionale.html

So, if you check out this link, you can really see how much the exit polls totally missed the mark compared to what actually happened on the ground. For the Democratic Party (and honestly, the whole left-wing coalition), they were off by more than 7%! 😲

I mean, either those exit polls were just super amateurish, or people were straight-up lying about who they voted for in mass numbers. I don't know, there isn't really a third option, I guess...

Carol Newman2 said:Seems that way. It’s bizarre, though—both our media and the local news here are acting like it's some massive victory for the left. 😁

Oh, look at that headline on CNN: the left is on the verge of victory 😁
those overly eager liberal "leftists" must be celebrating way too early 🤣

meanwhile, over on Fox News, they can't even decide if Elly Schlein was ahead or if it's actually Berlusconi winning now 😁

but what's the word on your side? I just checked the New York Times and there isn't a single thing posted yet 😁

Nicholas Morales48 said:Oh, look at that headline on CNN: the left is on the verge of victory 😁
those overly eager liberal "leftists" must be celebrating way too early 🤣

meanwhile, over on Fox News, they can't even decide if Elly Schlein was ahead or if it's actually Berlusconi winning now 😁

but what's the word on your side? I just checked the New York Times and there isn't a single thing posted yet 😁

The US media is totally silent on this too.

It’s almost like they think the elections are happening in Cambodia instead of Italy, haha! 🙄

Federal Election Commission (Department of the Interior)

Senate

Pier Luigi Bersani 32.9%
Silvio Berlusconi 29%
Beppe Grillo 24.1%
Mario Monti 9.2%

House of Representatives

12% of votes counted

Pier Luigi Bersani 34%
Silvio Berlusconi 24%
Beppe Grillo 25.8%
Mario Monti 10%

The breakdown:
http://www.corriere.it/ (The graphics refresh every minute)

Robert Clark4 said:http://www.repubblica.it/static/spec...nazionale.html

So, if you check out this link, you can really see how much the exit polls totally missed the mark compared to what actually happened on the ground. For the Democratic Party (and honestly, the whole left-wing coalition), they were off by more than 7%! 😲

I mean, either those exit polls were just super amateurish, or people were straight-up lying about who they voted for in mass numbers. I don't know, there isn't really a third option, I guess...

The only thing missing here is the total count...

Carol Newman2 said:Federal Election Commission (Department of the Interior)

Senate

Pier Luigi Bersani 32.9%
Silvio Berlusconi 29%
Beppe Grillo 24.1%
Mario Monti 9.2%

House of Representatives

12% of votes counted

Pier Luigi Bersani 34%
Silvio Berlusconi 24%
Beppe Grillo 25.8%
Mario Monti 10%

The breakdown:
http://www.corriere.it/ (The graphics refresh every minute)

man, look at that 😕 Maybe because we've only got 1/3 of them counted so far.

Robert Clark4 said:The US media is totally silent on this too.

It’s almost like they think the elections are happening in Cambodia instead of Italy, haha! 🙄

Look, we aren't exactly neighbors. We just happen to share a massive coastline. 😵

Nicholas Morales48 said:The only thing missing here is the total count...

man, look at that 😕 Maybe because we've only got 1/3 of them counted so far.

These latest numbers are coming straight from the Department of Justice.

http://www.corriere.it/ - You can find the most recent updates here.
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The Right-wing is going to sweep Lombardy, Sicily, and Veneto, which means they’ll secure a majority in the Senate.

Just saw an update from ABC News two minutes ago—it's a dead heat! They're both sitting right at 30.7%

Carol Newman2 said:
These latest numbers are coming straight from the Department of Justice.

http://www.corriere.it/ - You can find the most recent updates right here.

Aha, looks like Corriere is pretty much lining up with what ABC News is reporting:
Senate:
Berlusconi 32.8% Berzani 29.2% Beppe Grillo 24%
(halfway through the count)

House of Representatives:
Berzani 33.83% Berlusconi 24.78% Beppe Grillo 25.62%
(only 15% counted so far)

Nicholas Morales48 said:Aha, looks like Corriere is pretty much lining up with what ABC News is reporting:
Senate:
Berlusconi 32.8% Berzani 29.2% Beppe Grillo 24%
(halfway through the count)

House of Representatives:
Berzani 33.83% Berlusconi 24.78% Beppe Grillo 25.62%
(only 15% counted so far)

Pier Luigi Bersani is holding the lead in the Senate. The Center-Left coalition is ahead.

Carol Newman2 said:Pier Luigi Bersani is holding the lead in the Senate. The Center-Left coalition is ahead.

It’s not even an error at this point, but look how that gap in the House is actually shrinking; we're sitting at 33.14 versus 25.46 right now.