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Overdrafts and negative balances: What's allowed?

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Anthony Myers5 Anthony Myers5 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2009
#61 ·
The teller at JPMorgan Chase told me I have to wait a certain amount of time—she wasn't entirely sure how long, exactly—since apparently their system dictates the timeline...
I was digging through the online banking instructions and found out this whole process is essentially what they call "scoring." It seems like the system tracks your activity for about 111 days after your first positive balance; if everything stays in the green, you're good to go...

I have an overdraft line of credit that I can't seem to extend. If I had maintained a clean account for those 111 days, the system would have automatically bumped my limit for another four months...

I was just wondering if anyone else here has run into similar issues—maybe someone could shed some light on how this works...
Thanks, everyone.
Ronald Allen Ronald Allen Active Member
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joined Oct 2010
#62 ·
Gregory Williams7 said:Everyone knows the deal. Or, at least, those who don't know tend to make assumptions. The reality is that no one can give you a guaranteed answer regarding what you will receive, even if you consult with a personal banker at JPMorgan Chase.

In my experience, it usually takes a few years before you are cleared from a blacklist. But again, as I mentioned, any attempt to guess is pure speculation. It is like asking a butcher how much money it costs to hook up a house to the power grid. Your best move? Pick up the phone and call your banker, or simply walk into a branch to speak with them in person. That is the only way to get a definitive answer.

JPMorgan Chase doesn't have "personal bankers" for this kind of stuff, and they don't really care about these details. I know every bank uses different job titles, so just to be clear.
He wasn't talking about a credit blacklist, because getting on one works differently. This is strictly an internal bank-client matter where they flag you for "messy business" because you didn't cover account fees on time.


Anthony Myers5 said:The teller at JPMorgan Chase told me I have to wait a certain amount of time—she wasn't entirely sure how long, exactly—since apparently their system dictates the timeline...
I was digging through the online banking instructions and found out this whole process is essentially what they call "scoring." It seems like the system tracks your activity for about 111 days after your first positive balance; if everything stays in the green, you're good to go...

I have an overdraft line of credit that I can't seem to extend. If I had maintained a clean account for those 111 days, the system would have automatically bumped my limit for another four months...

I was just wondering if anyone else here has run into similar issues—maybe someone could shed some light on how this works...
Thanks, everyone.

There's no way you read the word "scoring" or some so-called "111-day ultimatum" in the online banking manuals; someone just used those terms while talking to you at the teller window (I'm just wondering who that was...). Look, if your account is fine and you aren't causing these kinds of headaches, your overdraft gets automatically renewed for the same amount and the same period as before. If you mess up like this, your overall client score in the system drops, and then the credit request gets sent up to higher management for approval. Don't sweat it too much, it'll probably be approved again, you just gotta be careful...
Anthony Myers5 Anthony Myers5 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2009
#63 ·
.So, I’ve been sitting with a clean balance for about a month and a half now. At the end of each month, I made sure to leave a buffer of about $17, so I haven't actually overdrawn my limit—not even by a cent.

My current credit line is set to expire on November 8th, 2009. What do you guys think—will they just shut it down? Like, will they demand immediate repayment, or is there a chance I could sit down with the folks at a JPMorgan Chase branch and negotiate an extension for a set period?
I mean, I guess it’s unlikely they’ll care about those two months back when I was... well, a bit short. $6.75
What’s your take on this...?
Ronald Jackson6 Ronald Jackson6 Newcomer
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#64 ·
Question:

If someone currently has an overdraft limit of, say, $10,000 $0.00 on their checking account at JPMorgan Chase, but they want to proactively drop that limit down to about $4,000 or $5,000—is that something they can just request directly from the bank? To be clear, whatever the current balance might be, it would be fully covered before the reduction takes effect. 😁
shadowpilot8 shadowpilot8 Active Member
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joined Jun 2010
#65 ·
unknown - I have an account at Bank of America with a pretty substantial overdraft limit. I've never actually gone into the red, but they slashed my limit by $333 this month. I was talking to a colleague yesterday who had a $20000 overdraft limit at JP Morgan Chase and stayed within his bounds, yet they dropped him down to 40,000 this month too. He called the Bank of America, and they claimed it was due to the recession.
Ronald Allen Ronald Allen Active Member
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joined Oct 2010
#66 ·
shadowpilot8 said:unknown - I have an account at Bank of America with a pretty substantial overdraft limit. I've never actually gone into the red, but they slashed my limit by $333 this month. I was talking to a colleague yesterday who had a $20000 overdraft limit at JP Morgan Chase and stayed within his bounds, yet they dropped him down to 40,000 this month too. He called the Bank of America, and they claimed it was due to the recession.

Aren't you exaggerating those numbers a little bit...? 🤔
You mean from 6,000 to 4,000?

And I am definitely not even going to comment on that excuse. ☕
Bradley Parker83 Bradley Parker83 Newcomer
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#67 ·
Ronald Jackson6 said:Question:

If someone currently has an overdraft limit of, say, $10,000 $0.00 on their checking account at JPMorgan Chase, but they want to proactively drop that limit down to about $4,000 or $5,000—is that something they can just request directly from the bank? To be clear, whatever the current balance might be, it would be fully covered before the reduction takes effect. 😁

You certainly can. I personally submitted a request to stop my limit from increasing, and I can actually request to scale it back down too. It’s been working perfectly fine for me for years now.
Gregory Williams7 Gregory Williams7 Active Member
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#68 ·
Ronald Allen said:Aren't you exaggerating those numbers a little bit...? 🤔
You mean from 6,000 to 4,000?

And I am definitely not even going to comment on that excuse. ☕

I believe that deduction depends on age, salary, and consistency.

For instance, if a woman earns roughly $5000 and is 50 years old, it is entirely realistic that she would be granted a $40k bonus.
Ronald Allen Ronald Allen Active Member
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joined Oct 2010
#69 ·
Gregory Williams7 said:I believe that deduction depends on age, salary, and consistency.

For instance, if a woman earns roughly $5000 and is 50 years old, it is entirely realistic that she would be granted a $40k bonus.

If she had 100 years of work history and a salary of $27, I still couldn't give her a credit limit higher than $12.
Kevin Moore5 Kevin Moore5 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2009
#70 ·
Ronald Allen said:If she had 100 years of work history and a salary of $27, I still couldn't give her a credit limit higher than $12.

heheh true enough—at Wells Fargo the max is 30,000 and I already hit it, might as well just go all in right now...
DUM DUM
Nicholas Turner Nicholas Turner Active Member
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joined Oct 2010
#71 ·
Even though everything is automated, I’m convinced "Headquarters" still holds the keys to unlock certain features—you know, just so those high rollers that > hangs out with can get exactly what they want. 😁

For instance, I have a colleague over at Wells Fargo who is sitting on a deficit of about 45 $0.00, yet her pay fluctuates around $2333.
Ronald Allen Ronald Allen Active Member
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#72 ·
Nicholas Turner said:Even though everything is automated, I’m convinced "Headquarters" still holds the keys to unlock certain features—you know, just so those high rollers that > hangs out with can get exactly what they want. 😁

For instance, I have a colleague over at Wells Fargo who is sitting on a deficit of about 45 $0.00, yet her pay fluctuates around $2333.

That’s true, but honestly, because of client privacy, I’d rather not dive into that.
Rules exist just to be broken or bypassed... 😳
shadowpilot8 shadowpilot8 Active Member
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joined Jun 2010
#73 ·
Ronald Allen said:If she had 100 years of work history and a salary of $27, I still couldn't give her a credit limit higher than $12.

Mine isn't over 35,000, but it's somewhere near 😁 (think Chase, the most expensive option)
The individual I'm referring to went from 60,000 down to 40,000 at JP Morgan Chase; he’s the director of a prestigious institution. I doubt he's lying.
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#74 ·
shadowpilot8 said:unknown - I have an account at Bank of America with a pretty substantial overdraft limit. I've never actually gone into the red, but they slashed my limit by $333 this month. I was talking to a colleague yesterday who had a $20000 overdraft limit at JP Morgan Chase and stayed within his bounds, yet they dropped him down to 40,000 this month too. He called the Bank of America, and they claimed it was due to the recession.

My overdraft limit actually went up. And there hasn't been a single change in the economy since last period 🤷
Henry Taylor12 Henry Taylor12 Newcomer
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#75 ·
shadowpilot8 said:Mine isn't over 35,000, but it's somewhere near 😁 (think Chase, the most expensive option)
The individual I'm referring to went from 60,000 down to 40,000 at JP Morgan Chase; he’s the director of a prestigious institution. I doubt he's lying.

I mean, does he even need an overdraft in that situation?
shadowpilot8 shadowpilot8 Active Member
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joined Jun 2010
#76 ·
Claims he functions just like any other sane person, right up until he hits his limit in an unauthorized 😁
Kate Rodriguez8 Kate Rodriguez8 Newcomer
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#77 ·
My sister works as an assistant at a university here in the States, pulling in about $4,400 a month. She’s on a fixed six-year contract and has been on the job for four months now.
Wells Fargo won't even grant her the standard overdraft limit, let alone the three-month salary cushion I'd expect.

Does anyone know which bank offers a 3x overdraft limit under reasonable terms, ideally paired with a revolving credit card option?

Both of us have been loyal Wells Fargo customers for years. Personally, I was approved for an overdraft almost immediately after my first two paychecks hit, so I find this rejection baffling—especially since she's technically employed by a state institution.

Anyone have any leads?
Emily Foster5 Emily Foster5 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2009
#78 ·
Kate Rodriguez8: I guess no Bank of America is going to offer an overdraft on a checking account if you're on a fixed-term contract. It doesn't matter if you work for a massive corporation or a top-tier private firm. The policy exists because banks have been burned way too many times by having to write off consumer debt...
Kimberly Nguyen Kimberly Nguyen Regular
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joined Jul 2009
#79 ·
I honestly couldn't disagree more with that take... Look, if your employer is actually depositing your paycheck on time and everything is above board, the bank's own automated system handles your overdraft limit. It isn't some special privilege tied to whether you're a permanent employee or just working a contract gig... It all hinges on one thing: having a clean, reliable relationship with the bank, much like how a major corporation manages its accounts at an institution like JP Morgan Chase
Ronald Allen Ronald Allen Active Member
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joined Oct 2010
#80 ·
Emily Foster5 said:Kate Rodriguez8: I guess no Bank of America is going to offer an overdraft on a checking account if you're on a fixed-term contract. It doesn't matter if you work for a massive corporation or a top-tier private firm. The policy exists because banks have been burned way too many times by having to write off consumer debt...

Kimberly Nguyen said:I honestly couldn't disagree more with that take... Look, if your employer is actually depositing your paycheck on time and everything is above board, the bank's own automated system handles your overdraft limit. It isn't some special privilege tied to whether you're a permanent employee or just working a contract gig... It all hinges on one thing: having a clean, reliable relationship with the bank, much like how a major corporation manages its accounts at an institution like JP Morgan Chase

Look, the reality sucks, but it's true. More and more banks—especially now with this recession hanging over our heads and everyone freaking out about job security—are obsessively checking whether you're on a contract or a permanent position. I mean, there really shouldn't be such a massive gap between the two, but... yeah. That's just how it is.

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