Sarkozy: The new breed of criminal?

When Orange claims that capitalism is basically just one big crime, what they’re actually saying is that private property and the rule of law are criminal.

I mean, let's be real—without private ownership, there isn't a single shred of incentive to actually work hard or come up with anything new. Everything you build, everything you invent through sheer grit and brainpower, would just be handed over to everyone else equally.

The absolute, crushing inefficiency of setting things up that way has been proven time and time again by every single society that ever tried to make it work.

stormymarlin90 said:Nicolas Sarkozy is headed for a head-on collision with Catholic social teaching.
Didn't the prime ministerial candidate Ivica Jurčić argue today that his version of social democracy is basically identical to the Church's social doctrine? We're seeing a situation where Western social democrats—including our colleague Orange, whether they realize it or not—have become nothing more than an extension of the Catholic Church.
Secularists like Nicolas Sarkozy are charging straight into a confrontation with the Church, standing on a razor's edge over a massive abyss.
Personally, I'm rooting for the chaos.

What social doctrine, though? You mean that "Rerum novum" stuff from the end of the last century, where the Pope back then basically gave capitalists advice like, "Hey, don't exploit the workers *too* much, or they might actually get back at you"?

Where was this whole church social doctrine for the last thousand years? Where was it in India? Even Mother Theresa ended up feeling like she'd messed everything up and lost her faith in God. And where was the church's social doctrine in those hyper-Catholic South American countries during the wild American era from 1945 to 1990? Not to mention when some priests actually had the nerve to form "liberation theology," which basically claimed if someone assaults you, you have every right to retaliate—and by that, they meant getting tossed straight out of the Holy Mother's embrace.

The KC will do what they always do: stay silent and try to squeeze money out of Sarkozy for that silence, in exchange for services of... let's just say, highly questionable quality.

Didn't the prime ministerial candidate Ivica Jurčić say today that his vision for social democracy isn't any different from the Church's social doctrine? We're in a spot now where Western social democrats act as the long arm of the Catholic Church—including our friend northernbison63, whether they mean to or not.

Man, I guess I didn't make myself clear enough about the KC, so clearly I'm going to have to keep repeating myself. As for Jurčić, I don't know; it seems to me his social program is more about fixing industry and the economy than following some abstract principles.

Secularists like Sarkozy are charging into a head-on collision with the Catholic Church on a razor's edge over an abyss.
I'm rooting for the stalemate.

Oh, please. I honestly think Sarkozy is going to collide with the KC like a speeding locomotive hitting a swarm of mosquitoes.

Let me explain—remember how they "melted down" the relationship between the USA and the KC? Suddenly, thousands of pedophilia scandals from the last 60 years of the KC's work in the USA surfaced out of nowhere. The KC paid out several billion dollars in settlements, and now the Pope stays quiet about the USA and goes off to kiss George W. Bush's ring.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if a mountain of pedophilia scandals involving Catholic priests suddenly bloomed in France too. If that happens, well, that'll be the locomotive flying straight into the mosquitoes.

Jessica Ramos9 said:She desperately needs to push through some reforms. Nicolas Sarkozy won his election with people just like us, yet on the world stage, he’s clearly aiming to step into Tony Blair's shoes.
Since the fall of the Berlin Wall and everything that went down in Germany, we haven't seen a political landscape within a single European Union member state quite this intense or significant as what's happening right now in France.

That's exactly what I'm getting at—I'm just looking at the bigger picture here. And hey, if we're talking about "interesting" situations... please. I'm pretty sure things have been absolutely insane in Iraq over the last few years.

quietbadger34 said:When Orange claims that capitalism is basically just one big crime, what they’re actually saying is that private property and the rule of law are criminal.

I mean, let's be real—without private ownership, there isn't a single shred of incentive to actually work hard or come up with anything new. Everything you build, everything you invent through sheer grit and brainpower, would just be handed over to everyone else equally.

The absolute, crushing inefficiency of setting things up that way has been proven time and time again by every single society that ever tried to make it work.

No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.

And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.

And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?

Quincy:

without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation.

Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.

God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.

Quincy:

everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone.

Who does the invention of fire belong to?

Quincy:

the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it.

Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?

How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.

Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?

Maria Booth said:Go get 'em, Nicolas Sarkozy! Time to sweep those useless French socialists right off the stage. I’ve been rooting for him ever since he took on those suburban gangs, and
he just dropped this new immigration law that's way tougher than anything we've seen before. It's gonna slow down the influx so he can actually focus on turning current residents into loyal citizens of the French Republic. Plus, his foreign policy is spot on—that strong alliance with the USA is everything. 👍

Yeah, sure. And the last guy who tried to build a "strong alliance" with some foreign power back in his day was none other than Marshal Douglas MacArthur.

Saddam Hussein said:The OP and all his little buddies just can't handle anyone threatening the Iranian regime.

...because of how the Iranian regime treatsits own people...

Rambi and her crowd just can't stomach the idea that nobody should be allowed to force their own version of "civilization" and order on another country.

While they’re busy having a total meltdown over killers in Iran or wherever else they hang people, they simultaneously—and I mean totally shamelessly hypocritically—call hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths caused by "smart bombs" just "collateral damage." And don't even get me started on how they conveniently ignore everything Saudi Arabia does, with their own executions and the way they deal with thieves and adulterers. It's unbelievable.

Like, why doesn't France send its generals to trial for the atrocities during the Algerian War? Noooooo....George W. Bush is much too busy for that. Because heaven forbid Iran builds a Russian nuclear plant instead of a French one, like they did in Libya. Hmm... something smells fishy here, right? Is maybe George W. Bush barking at Iran because they're using Russian tech instead of French tech? And let's not forget, just a few years back, Muammar Gaddafi was being treated like a bigger monster than Ahmadinejad is today.

northernbison63 said:I don't give a damn about "constructive criticism." You guys have plenty to chew on right here. I’m not planning on laying out my whole theory on how society should work, because honestly? It’s just empty theorizing—we've seen enough of that nonsense over the last 180 years.

Quincy:

gerbnegoy Oh, so you don't care? That's funny. I think you *should* start caring, considering how much energy you're dumping into this constant criticizing. What you really want is to drill your own little postulates into people's heads by chanting the same tired litany over and over again...

You're twisting my words and arguing against things I didn't even say. Look, I’m not going to exhaust myself with more theories. We’ve had enough theorists; tens of thousands of them have accomplished less in the last 200 years than what Lenin did in his time.
I don't want to "drill my postulates" into anyone's brain. I just want people to wake up to something that's blindingly obvious at every single turn—capitalism is a crime. And as for singing litanies? I was never good at that... I always struggled to remember the lyrics.

Quincy:

gerbnegoy That’s the problem with critics like you. Everything is bad, this is wrong, that is flawed, but on the flip side, you don't offer anything remotely constructive. You claim not to care, but you're actually doing capitalism a massive favor by being like this. Well, if that isn't your goal, then maybe you should start giving a damn...

You know what? You're right. I should just grab an assault rifle and charge straight toward Wall Street. Why don't you head out first? I'll catch up as soon as I finish this urgent business.

Quincy:

northernbison63 First, let's reach an agreement—or better yet, let's get mass awareness that capitalism equals crime. Once we hit that point, it'll be incredibly easy to set up a social model that minimizes the damage in the long run.

Quincy:

gerbengoy "It'll be easy," he says? Let's just tear everything down first without having any clear idea of how we're going to build afterward. "The perfect model will just present itself"... Out of thin air, right?

Again, you're taking pieces out of context to fight me. I clearly said we shouldn't destroy things, because that's how you take relatively moderate republics like Carthage and Rome and turn them into one fast-moving cancer called the Roman Empire.

And yeah, once the vast majority of people start labeling capitalism as a crime—identifying every instance of it as a crime, especially when it's more capitalist and "liberal"—it will be easier than you think to form a model that minimizes crimes in the future. But we can worry about that later... the real question is how many crimes capitalism will commit before we get there.

northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.

And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.

And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?

Quincy:

without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation.

Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.

God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.

Quincy:

everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone.

Who does the invention of fire belong to?

Quincy:

the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it.

Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?

How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.

Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?

Look, capitalism isn't anything other than just plain old private property.

And honestly, if you aren't a fan of recognizing private property rights, then I really hope you don't have a problem with the government seizing your stuff and handing it out to whoever they deem needy.

northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.

And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.

And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?

Quincy:

without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation.

Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.

God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.

Quincy:

everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone.

Who does the invention of fire belong to?

Quincy:

the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it.

Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?

How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.

Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?

The rule of law is quite literally the only way a society can function without falling into total chaos. Sure, the legislative process is always going to be messy and the actual content of the laws will never be perfect, but ignoring them entirely would be a thousand times worse than any flaw they might have.

northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.

And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.

And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?

Quincy:

without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation.

Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.

God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.

Quincy:

everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone.

Who does the invention of fire belong to?

Quincy:

the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it.

Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?

How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.

Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?

That’s just a leftover relic of feudalism in places that haven't fully transitioned into a liberal democracy yet. You aren't going to find that kind of concentrated mess in South America, Europe, Japan, or Australia.

northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.

And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.

And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?

Quincy:

without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation.

Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.

God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.

Quincy:

everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone.

Who does the invention of fire belong to?

Quincy:

the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it.

Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?

How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.

Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?

Both of those are products of state-run enterprises, period. And look, there's always going to be an exception to every rule, but generally speaking, private entrepreneurship has absolutely crushed planned economies to such a degree that it's almost laughable.

northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.

And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.

And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?

Quincy:

without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation.

Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.

God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.

Quincy:

everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone.

Who does the invention of fire belong to?

Quincy:

the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it.

Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?

How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.

Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?

Look, Japan respects private property and the rule of law just like we do. That makes them way closer to the USA than they ever were to the USSR. Everything else is just minor details.

northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.

And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.

And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?

Quincy:

without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation.

Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.

God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.

Quincy:

everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone.

Who does the invention of fire belong to?

Quincy:

the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it.

Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?

How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.

Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?

Yeah, sure, if you want to be dramatic, but the world hasn't exactly split open like a ripe watermelon.

In actual reality, the planet is cleaner than it was forty years ago, and more people than ever before are living with a high standard of living.

northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.

And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.

And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?

Quincy:

without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation.

Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.

God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.

Quincy:

everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone.

Who does the invention of fire belong to?

Quincy:

the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it.

Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?

How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.

Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?

Are you kidding me? Look at the US, Europe, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, or New Zealand—these places all have literacy rates between 95 and 99 percent.

northernbison63 said:No, no—Verizon isn't saying private property and the rule of law are crimes, it's northernbison63 who's claiming capitalism equals crime.

And while we're on the subject, what's the actual point of the rule of law if the guy who used "original capital accumulation" to rig the game gets way more say over those laws than the person who had their "accumulation" stripped away? "Rule of law" is just a fancy little phrase people use to mask the rule of big capital. It's a joke.

And seriously, what kind of "private property" are we talking about when one single person owns, I don't know, half the farmland in the entire country?

Quincy:

without private property, there's absolutely no incentive for work or innovation.

Sure! And then some "lazy masses" have to use a Space Shuttle to drag a "privately innovative" Space Shuttle into orbit.

God, I bet the definition of incentive for hard work and innovation is a hell of a lot more complicated than just "owning stuff." Look at how motivated the Japanese are to work—it’s a completely different vibe than what you see in the US. Plus, the Japanese social system is built on totally different foundations than the American one.

Quincy:

everything you create or invent would belong equally to everyone.

Who does the invention of fire belong to?

Quincy:

the inefficiency of such a system has been so clearly demonstrated in every society that tried it.

Oh, so the "efficiency" of capitalism is shown by—the total destruction of the planet we're seeing right now? Is that it?

How is it that this "efficient capitalism" hasn't managed to even teach its own population how to read or write in 200 years, while "inefficient communism" pretty much pulled that off in 20? Makes sense, right? Not.

Efficiency without a plan... doesn't that sound suspiciously like the legendary, undisputed efficiency of Auschwitz? What's going to happen to most of the Earth at this rate?

Oh, please, we're talking about National Socialism now...

What does that have to do with capitalism?

Everywhere where they've actually implemented private property, the rule of law, and limited government power, people enjoy a decent standard of living.

Even in places where those principles are only halfway there, you can still live a pretty decent life with average effort.

Even a blue-collar worker like me.

northernbison63, congrats, you aren't alone in your thoughts.
Whoever guesses whose words I'm quoting below (without scrolling to the very end of my post) gets an honorary pat on the back:

- "It is time to rebel against the sick economic exploitation of multinational corporations and globalization; free yourselves from the fraud, the shackles, and the crimes of the capitalist system"
- "Poor and exploited Americans, unite against your capitalist laws that make the rich richer and the poor even poorer"
- "We are all victims of a capitalist system that seeks to turn the entire world into a feudalism of massive corporations under the guise of protecting democracy through globalization"
- "The global system of capital and class is responsible for the tragedies in Iraq and Afghanistan, and for the poverty in Africa; it's why so many Americans groan under the weight of debt, taxes, and mortgages; big capital, class interests, and multinational corporations are to blame for constant war and killing—not religious or cultural differences"
- "We are all victims of profit and the corporations that control the political process and the media"

So, it looks like we finally have the fourth ace in our poker hand: Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Lenin, and... ta-daaaaaaaaaaa...

Osama bin Laden. 👍

Honestly, there’s no such thing as reaching the limit of human stupidity. What’s truly frustrating—and has always been a recurring theme in these discussions—is the fact that, unlike George W. Bush, these groups can never actually win power through democratic means. They don't play by the rules of the ballot box; instead, they crave a total revolution, a purge of their own internal enemies, or some kind of sweeping upheaval against their own people.
As Rosa Luxemburg so brilliantly put it: "a revolutionary majority doesn't always have to be a quantitative one." History has shown us time and again that she was absolutely right about that.
George W. Bush was an elected leader within the framework of the Republic. That's a reality the "capitalism is evil" crowd on the left just refuses to accept. That fundamental denial is exactly where all their bitterness and frustration stems from.
It reminds me of how certain politicians used to claim there was no democracy during the era of leaders like Reagan, simply because those leaders cruised to victory with massive margins while the opposition couldn't even scrape together 5% of the vote. If you can't muster the numbers, you start crying foul about the system itself.

What can you honestly expect from the Jewish duo Sarkozy-Kushner? Ever since they funded the "French Revolution," there’s hardly anything left of the original French spirit. Nowadays, barely one in three people in France is even local, and every single bank is Jewish-owned.

Jack Walker78 said:What can you honestly expect from the Jewish duo Sarkozy-Kushner? Ever since they funded the "French Revolution," there’s hardly anything left of the original French spirit. Nowadays, barely one in three people in France is even local, and every single bank is Jewish-owned.

Oh, I see, so in your view, Jewish people are to blame for the fact that "every" bank is theirs? 🤣 If that's the case, why on earth are you still borrowing money from them? 😂