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Dealing with homosexuality in the family: How to handle it?

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Participants Samuel Nelson24slywolf45Gary James88William Harris14Roger EvansMichael Booth3Donna Sullivan7James Allen6neonhound10David Vaughn4wanderingscout13feraldriver8Anthony Sanders53briskgull4Mark Lewis4Olivia Lopez41ruggedpanther64lonemason7Drew Bennett2Paul Garcia25gentlemason19Elizabeth Lopez16Peter Parker62Anthony Kim18 …
neonhound10 neonhound10 Active Member
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joined Aug 2009
#121 ·
Honestly, I really can't stand it when people just jump to conclusions based on their own biases.

To be clear, I have a small circle of guys I call friends, and that’s plenty for me. I don't feel any pressure to expand that group unless someone truly exceptional comes along or we just happen to cross paths...

But if I'm being honest, these days I find myself valuing meeting a woman much more than meeting a man, and that's really all there is to it.

I’m not one of those guys who needs to have served in the military or deal with all that other typical masculine posturing. I just genuinely love women. I realize that for gay men, that might be hard to wrap their heads around, just like it's sometimes hard for me to understand them. And that's where we meet... it's really the only thing we have in common.
Anthony Sanders53 Anthony Sanders53 Member
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joined Jul 2006
#122 ·
neonhound10 said:Honestly, I really can't stand it when people just jump to conclusions based on their own biases.

To be clear, I have a small circle of guys I call friends, and that’s plenty for me. I don't feel any pressure to expand that group unless someone truly exceptional comes along or we just happen to cross paths...

But if I'm being honest, these days I find myself valuing meeting a woman much more than meeting a man, and that's really all there is to it.

I’m not one of those guys who needs to have served in the military or deal with all that other typical masculine posturing. I just genuinely love women. I realize that for gay men, that might be hard to wrap their heads around, just like it's sometimes hard for me to understand them. And that's where we meet... it's really the only thing we have in common.

Look, nobody is jumping to conclusions here, I'm just asking. Wherever I might have seemed to be concluding things, I was really just asking questions based on MY own experiences. I can only live through what you write; I don't actually know your truth. There's no reason to get upset over questions that aren't about facts—just laugh them off...
ruggedpanther64 ruggedpanther64 Member
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joined Aug 2007
#123 ·
Hey everyone, here we go again with the same old repetitive debate. We’re basically just spinning our wheels trying to have a serious discussion about something that science hasn't even fully defined yet, so at the end of the day, we're all just guessing. Personally, I’ve always accepted the fact that GAY-ov is right there around every corner, and I view it as perfectly normal. I spent a good chunk of my life living abroad, and let me tell you, people with those orientations have been a visible part of society for decades... whereas over here in the States, it feels like it only became a massive trend in the last five or ten years. I can still vividly remember being a four-year-old kid back then; we lived near a certain establishment in Germany where the windows were positioned such that you could see everything happening inside. It was a mix of all sorts of people, both 😉 (GAY&HETERO), just coming and going. That was where they really cut their teeth, I suppose. A few days after moving in, I realized there were two guys living in my own apartment building who identified that way. Back then, as a kid, the whole concept of MAN&MAN didn't really register with me, but as the years passed and I grew up, I just accepted it for what it is. It's just how things are. To be completely honest, looking at the sheer variety of people out there in the world, the whole concept will probably never fully make sense to me, but that doesn't actually matter. Whatever floats their boat; it's not my business what people choose to do with their lives.
lonemason7 lonemason7 Newcomer
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#124 ·
The discussion initially centered on homosexuality as a structural issue within the family unit, yet somehow, we’ve circled all the way back to those crude, reductive caricatures about what they do behind closed doors—it's always just been reduced to some vulgarity about sexual acts, hasn't it? I recall an episode this past summer where the topic was whether the US should embrace gay tourism; naturally, the panel was packed with a collection of self-important theologians and scripture scholars who, predictably, steered the entire discourse toward a strictly religious viewpoint. That said, I must tip my hat to Hloverka for her bluntness in openly labeling Dorin and his associates as queers; she effectively bridged that linguistic gap by stepping right over the polite euphemisms that people usually fight so tooth and nail over regarding certain profanities. I don't claim to have reached some grand epiphany here, but it seems to me that nothing significant ever truly takes root or gains traction overnight; rather, everything begins and ends with our own capacity—our actual willingness—to be tolerant and... well, open to new perspectives🙂
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
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joined Apr 2016
#125 ·
ruggedpanther64 said:Hey everyone, here we go again with the same old repetitive debate. We’re basically just spinning our wheels trying to have a serious discussion about something that science hasn't even fully defined yet, so at the end of the day, we're all just guessing. Personally, I’ve always accepted the fact that GAY-ov is right there around every corner, and I view it as perfectly normal. I spent a good chunk of my life living abroad, and let me tell you, people with those orientations have been a visible part of society for decades... whereas over here in the States, it feels like it only became a massive trend in the last five or ten years. I can still vividly remember being a four-year-old kid back then; we lived near a certain establishment in Germany where the windows were positioned such that you could see everything happening inside. It was a mix of all sorts of people, both 😉 (GAY&HETERO), just coming and going. That was where they really cut their teeth, I suppose. A few days after moving in, I realized there were two guys living in my own apartment building who identified that way. Back then, as a kid, the whole concept of MAN&MAN didn't really register with me, but as the years passed and I grew up, I just accepted it for what it is. It's just how things are. To be completely honest, looking at the sheer variety of people out there in the world, the whole concept will probably never fully make sense to me, but that doesn't actually matter. Whatever floats their boat; it's not my business what people choose to do with their lives.

🤣 🤣 🤣 Honestly, I had to laugh out loud at that one. My dear, people with those inclinations have existed since the dawn of time...
lonemason7 lonemason7 Newcomer
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#126 ·
Heh... so we're diving into the supposed boy-lovers of the ancient world now, are we? Are we really going to sit here and discuss Alexander the Great?
Drew Bennett2 Drew Bennett2 Member
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#127 ·
I don't think being gay is inherently tied to one's family dynamics. Plenty of people deal with incredibly dysfunctional households, yet only a small fraction of them turn out to be gay.

That said, speaking from experience, I am gay and I did endure significant sexual trauma during my childhood... which had a profound impact on my overall development, not just my sexuality. But when I really sit down and reflect on it, isn't everyone dealing with some sort of hardship or complex situation? It’s just part of growing up—the realization that we don't live in a perfect world and that bad things happen even to the "good guys."

From a purely scientific standpoint, the whole field is incredibly murky. There are certain indications here and there, but we lack any concrete, established postulates regarding how sexual orientation is actually formed or what specific factors influence it.

Ultimately, it doesn't really bother me. My preference is exclusively for men, and I don't see any way that could ever change. What matters most to me is that I don't feel any different from the rest of the population; I'm not a monster, I'm not flying on a broomstick, and I'm certainly not eating children🙂...
ruggedpanther64 ruggedpanther64 Member
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joined Aug 2007
#128 ·
slywolf45 said:🤣 🤣 🤣 Honestly, I had to laugh out loud at that one. My dear, people with those inclinations have existed since the dawn of time...

I suspect you might have missed my point entirely, though perhaps I wasn't being particularly clear myself.

What I was actually getting at is that on a global scale, for a very long time now, being gay isn't some freak occurrence... most people in the world don't even blink at it or react with that sort of "oh my god, how scandalous" attitude. We’re still living in a bit of a rural mindset here, and I reckon it’ll probably stay a taboo subject in our neck of the woods for at least another twenty years or so.

Did that click, or should I try explaining it differently?
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
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#129 ·
ruggedpanther64 said:I suspect you might have missed my point entirely, though perhaps I wasn't being particularly clear myself.

What I was actually getting at is that on a global scale, for a very long time now, being gay isn't some freak occurrence... most people in the world don't even blink at it or react with that sort of "oh my god, how scandalous" attitude. We’re still living in a bit of a rural mindset here, and I reckon it’ll probably stay a taboo subject in our neck of the woods for at least another twenty years or so.

Did that click, or should I try explaining it differently?

Well, that's one way to put it... considering you previously wrote:
People with those orientations have already existed for twenty years.

..which, quite frankly, sounds a little ridiculous when phrased that way..

But fine, okay... everything is clear now.
Paul Garcia25 Paul Garcia25 Member
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joined Apr 2007
#130 ·
Donna Sullivan7 said:I kind of see where everyone else is coming from, but I wouldn't go as far as calling this deviation some kind of mental illness... honestly, you never really know what kind of hormonal hand Mother Nature is gonna deal you. Like, it happens all the time—hormonal imbalances or issues with the pituitary gland and how that feedback loop works. You’ve got tons of people dealing with hypogonadism, which leads to low testosterone in men, or an excess of androgens, basically shifting things toward female hormones. So, it actually makes sense that someone might be more attracted to their own sex under those circumstances. It’s super manageable with modern medicine nowadays, though. There are plenty of theories and real-world cases out there if anyone's actually curious, but I'll leave it at that...

I disagree

It’s been scientifically established that the brains of gay men actually share more structural similarities with female brains—specifically regarding neuron density in certain regions—than they do with the brains of heterosexual men.

The whole hormonal theory just doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
Paul Garcia25 Paul Garcia25 Member
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#131 ·
James Allen6 said:I find myself largely in agreement with the original poster (though I am not particularly fond of that specific TV show).
From what I have observed, nearly all gay individuals I know grew up in households where certain fundamental elements were missing—perhaps they were raised by a single parent, or maybe there was significant friction between their parents.
I would not go so far as to call it a disease, though I suppose one could view it as some type of disorder. I don't hold any animosity toward gay people (except, perhaps, for those who feel the need to be exhibitionists in public), but I suspect only they truly understand the circumstances that led them here. To suggest that being gay and being straight are identical is, I think, a bit of a delusion, as nature seems to indicate something quite different.
That said, I genuinely want everyone to find happiness, even if that path involves a same-sex relationship. However, I believe people should recognize and accept their own uniqueness rather than treating sexual orientation as an interchangeable choice. After all, we aren't animals; I guess what draws us to others is primarily an emotional connection rather than just a sexual one.

Hmm, you sound a little bitter there.

It’s funny—white people in the South fifty years ago used the exact same logic: "anyone equating a Black person with a white person is clearly delusional because nature shows us something else entirely."

Look, children enter this world through sexual intercourse. Whether that involves love, a one-night stand, or even violent assault...🙄

There are plenty of heterosexual relationships where no children are ever produced. 🙄

Conversely, there are gay relationships that possess more genuine love than many straight ones.

The tired old tropes like "if we were all gay, the world would collapse" 🙄 or
"let's just send them all to Manhattan Island and let them die out"

are just nonsense. The percentage of gay and bisexual individuals has never exceeded 15% of the population, so there's zero risk of "humanity going extinct."

Besides, gay people are brought into this world by heterosexuals... nobody actually chooses to be gay. 🙄
I really don't want you walking away feeling like someone hates you simply because you're different.🙄
gentlemason19 gentlemason19 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2007
#132 ·
Take identical twins, for example. They grow up in the exact same house, under the same rules, raised identically—yet one turns out gay while the other doesn't. It makes you wonder about this childhood trauma theory everyone keeps bringing up. I’ll give you this: yeah, those early experiences can definitely shape things later on. It might create that deep-seated feeling that you can only find true emotional fulfillment with someone of the same gender.
But honestly? In most cases, I just don't think that's how it works.
My take is that most gay guys actually start out experimenting with heterosexual dating or relationships because society pushes that "norm" down their throats. It's only after they try living that lie that the real struggle begins. :-) hehehehehe
wanderingscout13 wanderingscout13 Member
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joined Nov 2006
#133 ·
Drew Bennett2 said:I don't think being gay is inherently tied to one's family dynamics. Plenty of people deal with incredibly dysfunctional households, yet only a small fraction of them turn out to be gay.

That said, speaking from experience, I am gay and I did endure significant sexual trauma during my childhood... which had a profound impact on my overall development, not just my sexuality. But when I really sit down and reflect on it, isn't everyone dealing with some sort of hardship or complex situation? It’s just part of growing up—the realization that we don't live in a perfect world and that bad things happen even to the "good guys."

From a purely scientific standpoint, the whole field is incredibly murky. There are certain indications here and there, but we lack any concrete, established postulates regarding how sexual orientation is actually formed or what specific factors influence it.

Ultimately, it doesn't really bother me. My preference is exclusively for men, and I don't see any way that could ever change. What matters most to me is that I don't feel any different from the rest of the population; I'm not a monster, I'm not flying on a broomstick, and I'm certainly not eating children🙂...

For that argument to actually hold water, wouldn't the reverse also have to be true? I mean, logically speaking, if that were the case, we should see an equal proportion of gay individuals coming from healthy, stable families as well as those from broken ones, right?
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
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joined Apr 2016
#134 ·
wanderingscout13 said:For that argument to actually hold water, wouldn't the reverse also have to be true? I mean, logically speaking, if that were the case, we should see an equal proportion of gay individuals coming from healthy, stable families as well as those from broken ones, right?

Personally, I know plenty of gay people who grew up in perfectly functional, well-adjusted families... I wouldn't necessarily say there's a direct correlation there.
Drew Bennett2 Drew Bennett2 Member
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joined Oct 2017
#135 ·
wanderingscout13 said:For that argument to actually hold water, wouldn't the reverse also have to be true? I mean, logically speaking, if that were the case, we should see an equal proportion of gay individuals coming from healthy, stable families as well as those from broken ones, right?

And honestly, that seems to be exactly what the data shows.
Elizabeth Lopez16 Elizabeth Lopez16 Member
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joined May 2009
#136 ·
Paul Garcia25 said:Hmm, you sound a little bitter there.

It’s funny—white people in the South fifty years ago used the exact same logic: "anyone equating a Black person with a white person is clearly delusional because nature shows us something else entirely."

Look, children enter this world through sexual intercourse. Whether that involves love, a one-night stand, or even violent assault...🙄

There are plenty of heterosexual relationships where no children are ever produced. 🙄

Conversely, there are gay relationships that possess more genuine love than many straight ones.

The tired old tropes like "if we were all gay, the world would collapse" 🙄 or
"let's just send them all to Manhattan Island and let them die out"

are just nonsense. The percentage of gay and bisexual individuals has never exceeded 15% of the population, so there's zero risk of "humanity going extinct."

Besides, gay people are brought into this world by heterosexuals... nobody actually chooses to be gay. 🙄
I really don't want you walking away feeling like someone hates you simply because you're different.🙄

In most modern American societies, the consensus usually lands somewhere between 4% and 10% of the population identifying as homosexual. Of course, that’s just a broad average. Depending on where you're standing—whether it's a progressive hub like San Francisco or a more traditional pocket in the Midwest—those numbers can swing wildly in either direction. It’s rarely a uniform spread.

Population decline isn't some niche issue tied to the LGBTQ+ community. It’s much broader than that. We're looking at the heterosexual majority in Western societies, where people are increasingly hesitant to have more than one child. That's the real engine behind the falling birth rates and the overall natural decline we're seeing across the country.
Samuel Nelson24 Samuel Nelson24 MemberOP
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joined Jan 2007
#137 ·
slywolf45 said:Personally, I know plenty of gay people who grew up in perfectly functional, well-adjusted families... I wouldn't necessarily say there's a direct correlation there.

But what does a "picture-perfect" family even look like anyway?
Samuel Nelson24 Samuel Nelson24 MemberOP
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joined Jan 2007
#138 ·
Drew Bennett2;9562668 said:
But, uh, I'm gay and I went through some major sexual trauma when I was a kid... which really messed with my development (not just the sexual side of things)

Wait, what?

Seriously though, any parents out there whose kids ended up being gay—drop a comment

I’d love to hear what you guys actually think about all this.
Drew Bennett2 Drew Bennett2 Member
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joined Oct 2017
#139 ·
Samuel Nelson24 said:I’d love for parents whose children have come out as gay
to reach out...
it would be interesting to hear their perspectives.


One doesn't simply "become" gay. There has to be an underlying genetic predisposition that you're born with, much like how some people are naturally left-handed while others are right-handed. It isn't a choice, nor is it something one suddenly becomes 👍.
Peter Parker62 Peter Parker62 Newcomer
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#140 ·
I guess if you don't feel particularly fond of homosexuals, people just immediately slap the label of "homophobe" on you. I mean, by definition, a phobia is a fear of something, and honestly, that doesn't make sense to me... 1.) It isn't that we're afraid of you, it's just that we find it off-putting. My stomach kind of turns when I see two guys making out in a public park. Look, keep it in your own house, that’s fine, but doing it in public just isn't right for people who live traditionally. And 2.) This isn't about being "afraid" of people. I don't have an issue with "people" in general—religion, race, nationality, whatever—it's specifically homosexuality that bothers me. Besides, there used to be all this talk about whether it was a sickness or a disorder, or if it came from how someone was raised or if it was genetic... from what I understand, there were studies done on the pituitary gland (you know, how they can determine biological sex after removing the pituitary from the brain), and those studies supposedly showed that gay men have female-pattern pituitary glands... so, maybe it really is a disorder or a condition... furthermore, if it's okay to be straight, imagine a world where everyone is straight... everything works fine. But now, if it's okay to be gay, imagine a world where everyone is gay. What happens then? You get nothing. That society collapses within 80 years... so there's clearly something wrong here. I guess you could blame the media for clouding everyone's judgment, because accepting this as "normal" feels like being misled. (And if you point that out, they call you a homophobe!!! FUCK YOU!!) On top of that, you claim you don't have rights, but what about our rights?? I'll go to the Mall of America (which is basically the biggest shopping hub in this part of the country), and in like 150+5 different stores, I can't even find a decent, plain black shirt... why?? Because everything has some glittery Dolce & Gabbana thread or other flamboyant nonsense on it... so now you're taking away my freedom to dress normally because I'm forced to wear your flashy crap... it's a joke... with love

Peter Parker62...

peace motherfuckers 😈 😈

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