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Dealing with homosexuality in the family: How to handle it?

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Participants Samuel Nelson24slywolf45Gary James88William Harris14Roger EvansMichael Booth3Donna Sullivan7James Allen6neonhound10David Vaughn4wanderingscout13feraldriver8Anthony Sanders53briskgull4Mark Lewis4Olivia Lopez41ruggedpanther64lonemason7Drew Bennett2Paul Garcia25gentlemason19Elizabeth Lopez16Peter Parker62Anthony Kim18 …
neonhound10 neonhound10 Active Member
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#81 ·
slywolf45 said:Oh, wonderful. Now you’ve started quoting those ridiculous Americans? Honestly, man, that is just pure madness.😁

Are you kidding me? Where on earth are you pulling that "breaking through" statistic from?🤣 🤣

What’s your take on this? It feels like we’re forced to navigate these "warped" perspectives on a daily basis.

It’s all just a rerun at this point. We've seen it before, we're seeing it now, and frankly, we'll probably see it all over again. It's nothing new under the sun.

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Gary James88 Gary James88 Active Member
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#82 ·
slywolf45 said:Oh, wonderful. Now you’ve started quoting those ridiculous Americans? Honestly, man, that is just pure madness.😁

Are you kidding me? Where on earth are you pulling that "breaking through" statistic from?🤣 🤣

What’s your take on this? It feels like we’re forced to navigate these "warped" perspectives on a daily basis.

It’s all just a rerun at this point. We've seen it before, we're seeing it now, and frankly, we'll probably see it all over again. It's nothing new under the sun.

"Stupid Americans?" 😕 That's just stereotyping and being plain old insulting.
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
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#83 ·
Gary James88 said:"Stupid Americans?" 😕 That's just stereotyping and being plain old insulting.

Fair point... you caught me there. My apologies...😁

I have to admit, though, you did manage to throw me off my game for a second.🙄
Gary James88 Gary James88 Active Member
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#84 ·
slywolf45 said:Fair point... you caught me there. My apologies...😁

I have to admit, though, you did manage to throw me off my game for a second.🙄

Whatever. Everyone's got biases. As long as they aren't completely irrational, it's fine.
neonhound10 neonhound10 Active Member
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#85 ·
slywolf45 said:Fair point... you caught me there. My apologies...😁

I have to admit, though, you did manage to throw me off my game for a second.🙄

Hehe, well, that’s just because I’m playing it totally unstrategically...😉
Roger Evans Roger Evans Member
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#86 ·
neonhound10 said:We’re all stuck in the same boat here, really... they’re fighting for their rights, and I’m just out here fighting for mine.

Everything is perfectly legal, no shady business involved.

Honestly, you guys are acting so soft, terrified that some liberal activists might influence how we raise our kids.

It’s honestly pathetic how sensitive everyone has become lately... where did we even go wrong? Because personally, I don't see the issue, I'm all about being "tolerant" and all that other nonsense.

I'll be the first to admit it—I'm an aggressive person and probably the least tolerant soul on this planet!

All these overly sensitive types are just driving me absolutely crazy...


Snowflakes??? Man, I know plenty of "macho" guys who are more sensitive and soft than you could ever imagine... it's actually the saddest thing to watch. They act like they're these big, tough guys with balls of steel...

Like I said, I don't have a problem with being gay—if women want to be together or form unions, whatever. But adopting kids? Yeah, I agree that feels unnatural... though then again, better a kid feels some warmth at home than ends up in a state facility like Nazov...
briskgull4 briskgull4 Newcomer
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#87 ·
Hey neonhound10!

Just wanted to weigh in on this, not just regarding the thread itself, but more about your specific posts...

You keep insisting that you aren't being offensive and that you're just joking around. But honestly, if people don't see the joke, they aren't necessarily wrong. Look, I mess around all the time and I like to think I have a decent sense of humor, but humor is subjective. Everyone has their own threshold for what they find funny and how they want to be teased. For instance, my girlfriend might not handle the same level of sarcasm that I thrive on; if she perceives my jokes as belittling rather than funny, should I just keep pushing it? I don't think so. If someone isn't vibing with your style, you simply don't do it.

You constantly lean on the concept of free speech, but let me ask you this: if I started poking fun at you and accidentally hit a nerve, would you actually enjoy it? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't... Just be fair and stop using insults. Even when it's framed as a joke, it still stings.

Best regards.
Mark Lewis4 Mark Lewis4 Member
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#88 ·
neonhound10 said:It honestly feels a lot like those stories you hear from back in the States, right around the time everything was being legalized... 🙂 Back then, it was all one thing after another, and eventually, any crime or offense committed by a Black person just couldn't be prosecuted because people would always step in and claim it was all about race...

I know I’m probably going to deal with a whole crowd of people who just won't grasp what I'm actually trying to say here, but then again, that seems to be the case with certain groups too... if I say I don't want them on my team, it's simply because they aren't a fit for me, and it doesn't mean I have anything against them personally...

That’s what freedom of speech is all about...

Honestly, if they just formed their own separate league and explicitly stated they didn't want straight people in their ranks, nobody would be making a fuss... It wouldn't be seen as discrimination at all, but rather just a group of people setting their own boundaries to protect themselves...

If someone told you they weren't accepting you onto their team because you have blue eyes, or because of who your parents are, or because you happen to be wealthy, or even just because they find you dim-witted... how exactly would you define that? Would you really call that someone just exercising their "freedom of opinion"?

Besides, I wonder why the moderators haven't steered this thread back toward the actual core issue: whether one is born with a certain orientation, or if it's something acquired or even chosen during youth, as some self-proclaimed experts seem to believe.
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
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#89 ·
Oh, absolutely, it’s innate. Honestly, I can't imagine what kind of fool would think such a thing could just be chosen!

Regrettably, I have to be blunt here. If the world were different—if we lived in a more tolerant society without the constant barrage of verbal and physical attacks—we might actually be able to debate the "what if it isn't innate" angle. But as it stands? I fail to see what kind of masochist would intentionally select a path that guarantees a lifetime of social scrutiny and insults from everyone from strangers to their own family..
Olivia Lopez41 Olivia Lopez41 Active Member
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#90 ·
Samuel Nelson24 said:I was watching Sasha on ABC the other day talking about gay people, and I really liked what this one guy said—basically, you aren't born gay, you become gay later on.

It’s kind of like how nobody is born a schizophrenic or an alcoholic, right?
That stuff develops as you go through life.

Personally, I think he hit the nail on the head
and that everything boils down to the family dynamic—you know, the psychological side of things and how kids are raised.

It’s a bummer that they didn't bring any parents of gay kids onto the show to talk.

I feel like we really ought to be asking parents about their upbringing styles and how they handled things at home.

Like, do any of these gay guys actually have a healthy, solid relationship with both their mom and dad?

In my opinion, anyone who ends up being gay is dealing with some kind of trauma from their childhood—whether it's something they're aware of or just some repressed thing buried deep down—and that’s where the root of it all lies.

A little five-year-old boy could experience a trauma if, say, his father passes away and he grows up without him, leaving him with just a super dominant mother.

Down the road, that could lead to him being gay.

I could probably come up with a ton of other examples.
For instance, maybe a four-year-old girl is being seduced by her dad through certain words, looks, or gestures... (and I don't necessarily mean physical assault), which just makes her lose all respect for men entirely.

What do you guys reckon?

I think that's completely wrong because it isn't caused by trauma; it's a genetic condition.☕
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
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#91 ·
Olivia Lopez41 said:I think that's completely wrong because it isn't caused by trauma; it's a genetic condition.☕

Wrong again... it isn't a disease.
Anthony Sanders53 Anthony Sanders53 Member
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#92 ·
I guess there are just so many different factors that go into determining sexual orientation. From a psychological standpoint, people often point to the Oedipal stage of psychosexual development for both boys and girls, but that’s hardly the whole story—there’s way more to it than that. At the end of the day, it isn't some conscious choice. It's not like someone just wakes up one morning and decides, "Yeah, I think I'll be gay today." That's just not how it works. Plus, sexuality is such a complicated thing; we all have both heterosexual and homosexual aspects within us. People tend to experiment with different sides of themselves, and they eventually find where they land. Sometimes those feelings shift later on, and sometimes that pull toward both genders stays constant... at least, that's what science suggests. As for what families, society, or the church say? Well, you know how it goes. Usually, those views don't really have anything to do with true human nature. It feels more like they're just trying to keep everyone in line...
neonhound10 neonhound10 Active Member
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#93 ·
briskgull4 said:Hey neonhound10!

Just wanted to weigh in on this, not just regarding the thread itself, but more about your specific posts...

You keep insisting that you aren't being offensive and that you're just joking around. But honestly, if people don't see the joke, they aren't necessarily wrong. Look, I mess around all the time and I like to think I have a decent sense of humor, but humor is subjective. Everyone has their own threshold for what they find funny and how they want to be teased. For instance, my girlfriend might not handle the same level of sarcasm that I thrive on; if she perceives my jokes as belittling rather than funny, should I just keep pushing it? I don't think so. If someone isn't vibing with your style, you simply don't do it.

You constantly lean on the concept of free speech, but let me ask you this: if I started poking fun at you and accidentally hit a nerve, would you actually enjoy it? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't... Just be fair and stop using insults. Even when it's framed as a joke, it still stings.

Best regards.

Right back at you,

I'm certainly not such an idiot that I don't recognize boundaries. Sometimes my humor gets so dark or crude that it’s really only meant for a very select group of people (let's call them the eccentric crowd)...

When someone tells me I've gone too far with a joke, I know when to back off and not dig any deeper, because of course I can realize when something I find hilarious might actually offend someone else.

I just need a heads-up on who's sensitive and who isn't.

The whole reason I wrote that was because certain people seem to think they're Nobel Prize-winning physicists and that their opinion is the only one that matters. Even if they are right, you still have to respect another person's right to disagree.

Later on, that same person ended up exposing their own hypocrisy by responding to my provocation.

Those types of people are the truly dangerous ones, not me, just barking at the moon.

And honestly, it's pretty tough to figure out someone's true colors through an online forum like this.

I'll always push back against narrow-minded people, simply because they refuse to look at things from every angle.

But I do take your advice to heart and I'll try to follow it as much as possible, because none of us deserves to be mocked.

The only thing that really bugs me is when "certain individuals" try to pigeonhole my thoughts in every single thread and link them back to something I said ages ago in a different discussion.
There's no mercy for people like that.

I could go on forever, maybe even talk about myself just so you guys can see that this is all totally normal for me, but the point is to have a provocative stance to keep the conversation moving...
🙂
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
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#94 ·
Anthony Sanders53 said:I guess there are just so many different factors that go into determining sexual orientation. From a psychological standpoint, people often point to the Oedipal stage of psychosexual development for both boys and girls, but that’s hardly the whole story—there’s way more to it than that. At the end of the day, it isn't some conscious choice. It's not like someone just wakes up one morning and decides, "Yeah, I think I'll be gay today." That's just not how it works. Plus, sexuality is such a complicated thing; we all have both heterosexual and homosexual aspects within us. People tend to experiment with different sides of themselves, and they eventually find where they land. Sometimes those feelings shift later on, and sometimes that pull toward both genders stays constant... at least, that's what science suggests. As for what families, society, or the church say? Well, you know how it goes. Usually, those views don't really have anything to do with true human nature. It feels more like they're just trying to keep everyone in line...

🙏 🙏 every single word is spot on..
neonhound10 neonhound10 Active Member
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#95 ·
Quinn:
Mark Lewis4... As if I haven't heard this all before...
If someone actually tried to tell you that you were rejected from joining a crew just because of your eye color, who your parents are, how much money is in your bank account, or simply because they thought you weren't "sharp" enough... I mean, how would you even put a label on that? It’s hard to call that anyone's "free opinion" when it feels more like a wall being built right in front of you... it honestly feels less like an opinion and more like a closed door...

Honestly, I can't help but wonder why the moderators haven't steered this discussion back toward its actual purpose... which is to explore whether you're simply born with a certain orientation, or if it’s something that develops, or perhaps even something one "chooses" during those formative years, just like some of those self-proclaimed intellectuals love to claim...
Honestly, none of this really gets under my skin too much... the world is just way too big to take everything so personally...

So, what exactly are people supposed to say in those Middle Eastern nations—I can't quite recall if it was Iran or maybe Iraq, or some other place like that—where they only accept soldiers who meet certain height and strength requirements...?

I've been trying to get logged into the portal all morning, but I just can't seem to get through... does anyone know why my access is being blocked like this?

As far as moving the conversation away from this topic goes, I’m completely on board with that idea...
It feels like every single thread on the psychology board eventually turns into the same old debate between the exact same handful of people...

We really ought to open up some kind of lounge or a little hangout spot just to chat... 🙂
neonhound10 neonhound10 Active Member
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#96 ·
slywolf45;9560615 said:Oh, obviously it was rigged, because honestly, what kind of idiot would ever think that's how you choose something like that
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Our big-shot expert professor...

To hell with medicine...
neonhound10 neonhound10 Active Member
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#97 ·
slywolf45 said:Wrong again... it isn't a disease.

Even that hasn't been proven yet...
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
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#98 ·
neonhound10 said:Our resident expert, the esteemed Professor Doctor.

To hell with medicine.

Aha... so medicine has officially proven that you can just choose this? You're talking nonsense again... as usual.☕
neonhound10 neonhound10 Active Member
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#99 ·
Anthony Sanders53 said:I guess there are just so many different factors that go into determining sexual orientation. From a psychological standpoint, people often point to the Oedipal stage of psychosexual development for both boys and girls, but that’s hardly the whole story—there’s way more to it than that. At the end of the day, it isn't some conscious choice. It's not like someone just wakes up one morning and decides, "Yeah, I think I'll be gay today." That's just not how it works. Plus, sexuality is such a complicated thing; we all have both heterosexual and homosexual aspects within us. People tend to experiment with different sides of themselves, and they eventually find where they land. Sometimes those feelings shift later on, and sometimes that pull toward both genders stays constant... at least, that's what science suggests. As for what families, society, or the church say? Well, you know how it goes. Usually, those views don't really have anything to do with true human nature. It feels more like they're just trying to keep everyone in line...

It really isn't surprising when old laws or ancient wisdom suddenly start feeling relevant again!

So, I don't think you can really claim to know who's right or wrong here either...
neonhound10 neonhound10 Active Member
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#100 ·
slywolf45 said:Aha... so medicine has officially proven that you can just choose this? You're talking nonsense again... as usual.☕

I actually never said that anywhere...

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