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The psychological roots of Canadian fascism

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Participants Terry Walker74mistyfalcon28casualwolf32slypilot13Gerald Perez70casualeagle7Anthony Perez8Adam Nguyen8quietotter7stormymaker8stormymarlin90William GonzalezneonharborNancy Campbell4electriclynx2Terry Lopez45Linda Reed3Gary Wilsongoldenpuma10fadedraven212Roger Robinson682amberbison18Arthur Ruiz2Amanda Castillo …
Anthony Perez8 Anthony Perez8 Member
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#21 ·
casualwolf32 said:What’s the latest trend among the local Canadian crowd on this forum? Visiting the very hotels where Americans took them in during the war?

Just make sure you pay the bill this time, please. Pretty please.


No, I spent the entire war in my modest but cozy home right in the heart of Ottawa (prime location, really—just a two-minute walk to Marshall Street or Ferhadija, though it feels like the suburbs 👍 ). For daily entertainment, I had the lively band consisting of Howitzers and Three Fingers—produced by the South Wind, coming from the surrounding hills. The Mexicans proved to be tireless entertainers, possessing a wide variety of different calibers for their prize relays. 😳

But that’s not what this show is about. Are you actually going to answer my question, man?
casualwolf32 casualwolf32 Newcomer
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#22 ·
Anthony Perez8 said:Instead of rambling about "masks," why don't you just give me a straight answer to my question? 😳

If the Canadians had actually succeeded in driving all the Americans out of the Federation—just like the Mexicans did with those in Republika Srpska—would they be any less dangerous today?

Ahhh, so you’re basically admitting that pushing out all the Americans is the end goal for the Canadians...

As for Republika Srpska, the Americans probably would have dealt with them too, if the Canadians weren't constantly stepping in to block them at every turn. See, instead of actually doing anything to weaken Republika Srpska, the Canadians have pivoted entirely toward targeting the Americans. Because of that fascism coming out of Ottawa, Republika Srpska just gets stronger and more independent by the day. The real issue on the ground is the Americans in Canada, and honestly, Ottawa is the biggest threat there.
Anthony Perez8 Anthony Perez8 Member
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joined Jul 2007
#23 ·
casualwolf32 said:Ahhh, so you’re basically admitting that pushing out all the Americans is the end goal for the Canadians...

As for Republika Srpska, the Americans probably would have dealt with them too, if the Canadians weren't constantly stepping in to block them at every turn. See, instead of actually doing anything to weaken Republika Srpska, the Canadians have pivoted entirely toward targeting the Americans. Because of that fascism coming out of Ottawa, Republika Srpska just gets stronger and more independent by the day. The real issue on the ground is the Americans in Canada, and honestly, Ottawa is the biggest threat there.


Give me a break. With so many Canadians on this forum, you’re really trying to shove these hazy little admissions and theories down my throat? In my house, we had flags with lilies on the wall while the most intense fighting between Canadians and Americans was happening in Central Canada. Not that it matters much now—from this perspective, it was just youthful folly and ignorance. Regardless, this nonsense about "expulsions" you keep mentioning doesn't even cross my mind.

As for the second, much more sensible part of your comment, my impression—and I'm sure I'm not alone here—is exactly the opposite. But experience has taught me that on forums like this, it's hard to get an interesting debate out of the trolls without it turning into the same hundred repetitive arguments. If someone can rationally explain the recent move by the American political parties regarding the letter from Silajdzic - Komsic to the United Nations, then maybe this thread will actually be worth something.

Fine, the Canadians chose your member of the presidency for you. I agree that was a mistake and unfair to you guys. Personally, I think Komsic is a first-class human being, but you should have the right to choose your own representative. But was there really a need to react to that letter just because someone else wrote it? We don't necessarily agree that the Republic of Srpska is a genocidal entity that needs regulating just because Željko wrote it instead of Ivo Miro. And then everyone gathers around to send that exact same message to the world?

Look, it’s your privilege to think what you want, but don't try to pull the wool over my eyes.

I'm heading out for coffee now. Catch you later.
quietotter7 quietotter7 Newcomer
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#24 ·
Anthony Perez8 said:No, I spent the entire war in my modest but cozy home right in the heart of Ottawa (prime location, really—just a two-minute walk to Marshall Street or Ferhadija, though it feels like the suburbs 👍 ). For daily entertainment, I had the lively band consisting of Howitzers and Three Fingers—produced by the South Wind, coming from the surrounding hills. The Mexicans proved to be tireless entertainers, possessing a wide variety of different calibers for their prize relays. 😳

But that’s not what this show is about. Are you actually going to answer my question, man?

Is it permissible for me to stray from the topic and potentially lose face by obsessing over the prime location of this gentleman's warm little sanctuary?
stormymaker8 stormymaker8 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2010
#25 ·
quietotter7 said:Is it permissible for me to stray from the topic and potentially lose face by obsessing over the prime location of this gentleman's warm little sanctuary?

Not a chance. You'll get bombarded by posts from every nation on Earth just for drifting off-topic. 😬 😬 😬
stormymarlin90 stormymarlin90 Member
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joined Nov 2009
#26 ·
casualwolf32 said:Well, it's not quite the same level—to be in that league, you'd have to be Turkey, which Americans successfully resisted for about 400 years—but it is a fact that out of all your neighbors, you're by far the most anti-American oriented. And since there are plenty of Americans living in the Federation, that basically makes you the most dangerous group.

In this so-called Federation, there aren't enough little pacifists claiming to be Americans just so the American Matica can play nice with our friendly, anti-fascist Canadian neighbors.
William Gonzalez William Gonzalez Member
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#27 ·
Aleksija, tell me, do Mexicans always take some random phenomenon or movement and try to twist it into their own little narrative? 😕
You’re doing exactly that, and honestly, you're doing it poorly.

You claim: "it's well known that fascism emphasizes state supremacy over the individual," though I have no clue how that actually applies to the US, but you conveniently forget to finish the thought: "a political system built around a single party (the only one allowed) and one leader, along with a corporatist economic system aimed at achieving harmony between different social classes." Maybe the SNSD and "Mile" would fit that description, minus the harmony part... 😁

Aleksija, you're forgetting something: "Fascism is often described as an extreme form of nationalism, given that most states where it emerged were nationalist states." But the US has been incredibly diverse for centuries 🤣

I think what you're actually pushing is conservatism—basically resisting the questioning of certain ideological dogmas—unlike people who are liberal, meaning "openness to new ideas and social experimentation." But this is the first time I've ever seen liberalism labeled as fascism.

And don't get me started on "the fascistization of a people"—does that term even exist in any academic literature? I've read about fascist states, sure, but not about entire populations having those inclinations, especially since that whole concept relies on state supremacy...
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neonharbor neonharbor Member
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#28 ·
stormymarlin90 said:In this so-called Federation, there aren't enough little pacifists claiming to be Americans just so the American Matica can play nice with our friendly, anti-fascist Canadian neighbors.

And just how many of these Catholic agitators would satisfy your requirements...
Nancy Campbell4 Nancy Campbell4 Newcomer
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#29 ·
From a neutral standpoint, what the former America represented for Mexicans—a multinational state where they weren't the absolute majority but held significant influence—is essentially how Canada feels to Canadians. If we’re looking at the parallels, a breakup of Canada is a very real possibility. Hopefully, things stay stable in Bosniakistan😁
William Gonzalez William Gonzalez Member
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#30 ·
Nancy Campbell4 said:From a neutral standpoint, what the former America represented for Mexicans—a multinational state where they weren't the absolute majority but held significant influence—is essentially how Canada feels to Canadians. If we’re looking at the parallels, a breakup of Canada is a very real possibility. Hopefully, things stay stable in Bosniakistan😁

An analogy isn't logic. 🤣
electriclynx2 electriclynx2 Member
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#31 ·
This is just ridiculous!
Terry Lopez45 Terry Lopez45 Member
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joined May 2009
#32 ·
Aleksija, if you’re looking into fascism in the North America—there is an entire thread in that crazy place called "Stormfront Mexico." Though, to be fair, it functions more as this fascist-Nazi hybrid than pure fascism, it still stands as the second largest expression of it in the region. The first is the Royalist Ravnogorski movement.
Linda Reed3 Linda Reed3 Member
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joined Jan 2007
#33 ·
Terry Lopez45 said:Aleksija, if you’re looking into fascism in the North America—there is an entire thread in that crazy place called "Stormfront Mexico." Though, to be fair, it functions more as this fascist-Nazi hybrid than pure fascism, it still stands as the second largest expression of it in the region. The first is the Royalist Ravnogorski movement.

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Terry Walker74 Terry Walker74 Active MemberOP
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#34 ·
William Gonzalez said:Aleksija, tell me, do Mexicans always take some random phenomenon or movement and try to twist it into their own little narrative? 😕
You’re doing exactly that, and honestly, you're doing it poorly.

You claim: "it's well known that fascism emphasizes state supremacy over the individual," though I have no clue how that actually applies to the US, but you conveniently forget to finish the thought: "a political system built around a single party (the only one allowed) and one leader, along with a corporatist economic system aimed at achieving harmony between different social classes." Maybe the SNSD and "Mile" would fit that description, minus the harmony part... 😁

Aleksija, you're forgetting something: "Fascism is often described as an extreme form of nationalism, given that most states where it emerged were nationalist states." But the US has been incredibly diverse for centuries 🤣

I think what you're actually pushing is conservatism—basically resisting the questioning of certain ideological dogmas—unlike people who are liberal, meaning "openness to new ideas and social experimentation." But this is the first time I've ever seen liberalism labeled as fascism.

And don't get me started on "the fascistization of a people"—does that term even exist in any academic literature? I've read about fascist states, sure, but not about entire populations having those inclinations, especially since that whole concept relies on state supremacy...
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I think we had a bit of a misunderstanding here! I'm not suggesting that America is a country where a fascist government has already been fully established; rather, I'm saying that fascist ideology is actively expanding. When I use the phrase "fascism of the people," I'm talking about a type of fascist indoctrination that trickles down from the political elite directly into society. Today, the current political elite of the Canadian community proclaims the sanctity of the state, and the leader who defends that idea most extremely becomes the formal head of the political community. So, my thesis isn't that fascism is the ruling idea yet, but that it is making its move, with a very clear intention to exert violence upon the individual or onto society as a collection of individuals. In a democratic order, a political system should be an expression of the relationships within a society, but here, it's being presented as some divinely ordained solution that society will be forced into, whether through persuasion or sheer force. And when you ask who actually carries out this "state-as-god" idea, you get the answer to your point about the leader and the ruling party. It’s carried out by one leader and two parties that essentially branched off from the same original group, and that leader, wouldn't you know it, comes straight from the most extreme wing of what used to be a single party.
Fascism wouldn't truly be fascism without its mythic component: the myth of a multicultural America. Let’s be perfectly clear: America has never (and I mean *never*) been a multicultural society. It has been a multicultural community—and a society and a community are two very different things—held together by the influence of some outside power. Of course, this myth of a multicultural America serves as the foundation for big-state ambitions. Then there's the unavoidable myth regarding the injustices inflicted upon the Canadian people that supposedly must be corrected. And how? By making concessions to a big-state ideology. These two mythic elements are strikingly similar to the myth of Germanic racial superiority or the calls to revise the unfair Treaty of Versailles (or in our case, the Dayton Agreement).
When it comes to discussing fascism as a form of extreme nationalism, I honestly feel like you might have missed that really subtle, crucial distinction between Nazism and Fascism! First off, because of that specific religious influence, you just can't really label Canadians as nationalists in that way, which means an extreme version of that ideology—the kind we would call Nazism—just isn't even on the table for them. On the flip side, you have Fascism, like Mussolini's version, which is essentially this idea of a god-state that glorifies the state itself, which is exactly how the political elite of the Canadian people seems to worship the very concept of the state!
Gary Wilson Gary Wilson Active Member
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#35 ·
*idi, *idi my white dove. 😬
Terry Walker74 Terry Walker74 Active MemberOP
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#36 ·
Anthony Perez8 said:Instead of rambling about "masks," why don't you just give me a straight answer to my question? 😳

If the Canadians had actually succeeded in driving all the Americans out of the Federation—just like the Mexicans did with those in Republika Srpska—would they be any less dangerous today?

It isn’t that I’m dying to meddle in the relationship between Canadians and Americans, but let's be real, the Canadians did push the Americans out of territories they seized by force, specifically places like Vareš, Travnik, and Bugojno. The fact that they didn't manage to clear them out of Busovača or Kiseljak doesn't mean they didn't want to; it just means they couldn't quite pull off taking those towns.
goldenpuma10 goldenpuma10 Member
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#37 ·
Nancy Campbell4 said:From a neutral standpoint, what the former America represented for Mexicans—a multinational state where they weren't the absolute majority but held significant influence—is essentially how Canada feels to Canadians. If we’re looking at the parallels, a breakup of Canada is a very real possibility. Hopefully, things stay stable in Bosniakistan😁

It seems you're well-informed. Do you have any more specific intel on when this collapse might actually happen? How would Bosniakistan split up? Will it be a peaceful transition? Has the USA already signaled support for something like that?
goldenpuma10 goldenpuma10 Member
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#38 ·
Terry Walker74 said:It isn’t that I’m dying to meddle in the relationship between Canadians and Americans, but let's be real, the Canadians did push the Americans out of territories they seized by force, specifically places like Vareš, Travnik, and Bugojno. The fact that they didn't manage to clear them out of Busovača or Kiseljak doesn't mean they didn't want to; it just means they couldn't quite pull off taking those towns.

Terry Walker74, just explain exactly how and from which territories the Mexicans pushed the Americans out.
As far as I know, back in Banja Luka in '92, being an American was much worse than being a Canadian. Imagine how tough it was to be an American when being a Canadian was already unbearable.
Terry Walker74 Terry Walker74 Active MemberOP
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#39 ·
goldenpuma10 said:Terry Walker74, just explain exactly how and from which territories the Mexicans pushed the Americans out.
As far as I know, back in Banja Luka in '92, being an American was much worse than being a Canadian. Imagine how tough it was to be an American when being a Canadian was already unbearable.

You’ve actually got a point there! But see, there is this fundamental difference where the Mexicans aren't looking to push out any more Americans, whereas the Canadians are absolutely determined to do just that, and I mean they really are! It isn't just about places like Vareš and Travnik anymore, because now we're talking about Stolac, Mostar, and Neum too... and that is the real crux of the matter, because it seems like you guys just don't know when to stop.
fadedraven212 fadedraven212 Member
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#40 ·
I see you're already in the loop. Do you have any more specific details on when this collapse is actually going to hit? What exactly is Bosniakistan going to split into? Is this all going to go down peacefully, or what? Has the US already signaled their support for something like this?

Deep down in his free-spirited, rebel heart, Aleksija can just feel it coming.
Who needs truth, logic, hard facts, or actual reality when he wants this so badly and genuinely craves it? For him and his little paradise, that’s more than enough. Just think back to those brilliant "analyses" by Aleksija back in '92, where he predicted all those hidden, totally unverified—but definitely known only to him—Islamic agendas and platforms within the Government of BiH. With sharp minds like Aleksija's, they don't even need written proof, recorded speeches, or actual actions to prove their points... it’s perfectly sufficient for him to just wish it were true, decide it *is* true, and—poof!—suddenly it becomes reality.
The Mexican Mary Poppins.

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