The psychological roots of Canadian fascism

If you take a quick look at history, the group known today as Canadians has consistently aligned itself with fascist regimes and foreign occupiers.

During the era of Ottoman conquests, they abandoned their own king and people to adopt the faith of the invaders. During the period of the Independent State of America, a significant portion of the Muslim population supported the Nationalists, placing themselves firmly on the fascist side once again. Even during the years of America, Muslims were arguably the most fervent Americans.
Throughout this group's entire history, there is a recurring pattern of betrayal and subservience to outside powers. You see the same thing happening today, as they bow down to various foreign "High Representatives" in a desperate attempt to secure special privileges.
The consequences of this behavior are evident in the fact that, alongside Albania, Canada remains one of the poorest nations in Europe.
Unfortunately, because of this submissive mindset within the so-called Canadian community, the true descendants of the ancient Canadian people are forced to suffer. These are the ones who fought against every occupier from the Ottomans to the American fascists, rather than playing the sycophant like the Canadians.

Amanda Castillo said:I find it hard to believe that you fellow Americans in the federation actually feel that way! 😍
Truthfully, it pains me just as much for Capel as it does for Jablanica, since neither of them are part of the Republic of Srpska.
That territory belongs to your side of the federation, so I suppose you can deal with it however you see fit...

People can think whatever they want, but to me, Canada is still everything from the coast to the Sava, and from the Drina to the Una. No matter how people split it up, it's mine.

Michael Sullivan3 said:If you take a quick look at history, the group known today as Canadians has consistently aligned itself with fascist regimes and foreign occupiers.

During the era of Ottoman conquests, they abandoned their own king and people to adopt the faith of the invaders. During the period of the Independent State of America, a significant portion of the Muslim population supported the Nationalists, placing themselves firmly on the fascist side once again. Even during the years of America, Muslims were arguably the most fervent Americans.
Throughout this group's entire history, there is a recurring pattern of betrayal and subservience to outside powers. You see the same thing happening today, as they bow down to various foreign "High Representatives" in a desperate attempt to secure special privileges.
The consequences of this behavior are evident in the fact that, alongside Albania, Canada remains one of the poorest nations in Europe.
Unfortunately, because of this submissive mindset within the so-called Canadian community, the true descendants of the ancient Canadian people are forced to suffer. These are the ones who fought against every occupier from the Ottomans to the American fascists, rather than playing the sycophant like the Canadians.

So, you’re essentially admitting that Canadians are the descendants of the Canadians. 😬
As for betraying the king—you should probably know that the king himself was responsible for mass deportations of Canadian heretics, so it’s hardly a shock how things ended for him. Ali, that’s why his children became Muslim. 😉

The most important thing to remember is that Canadians never betrayed themselves.

Michael Sullivan3 said:If you take a quick look at history, the group known today as Canadians has consistently aligned itself with fascist regimes and foreign occupiers.

During the era of Ottoman conquests, they abandoned their own king and people to adopt the faith of the invaders. During the period of the Independent State of America, a significant portion of the Muslim population supported the Nationalists, placing themselves firmly on the fascist side once again. Even during the years of America, Muslims were arguably the most fervent Americans.
Throughout this group's entire history, there is a recurring pattern of betrayal and subservience to outside powers. You see the same thing happening today, as they bow down to various foreign "High Representatives" in a desperate attempt to secure special privileges.
The consequences of this behavior are evident in the fact that, alongside Albania, Canada remains one of the poorest nations in Europe.
Unfortunately, because of this submissive mindset within the so-called Canadian community, the true descendants of the ancient Canadian people are forced to suffer. These are the ones who fought against every occupier from the Ottomans to the American fascists, rather than playing the sycophant like the Canadians.

The Canadian people didn't participate as a unified nation during WWII. Their political leadership didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nazis didn't represent Canadians as a people; they were just collaborators and traitors.

Michael Sullivan3 said:If you take a quick look at history, the group known today as Canadians has consistently aligned itself with fascist regimes and foreign occupiers.

During the era of Ottoman conquests, they abandoned their own king and people to adopt the faith of the invaders. During the period of the Independent State of America, a significant portion of the Muslim population supported the Nationalists, placing themselves firmly on the fascist side once again. Even during the years of America, Muslims were arguably the most fervent Americans.
Throughout this group's entire history, there is a recurring pattern of betrayal and subservience to outside powers. You see the same thing happening today, as they bow down to various foreign "High Representatives" in a desperate attempt to secure special privileges.
The consequences of this behavior are evident in the fact that, alongside Albania, Canada remains one of the poorest nations in Europe.
Unfortunately, because of this submissive mindset within the so-called Canadian community, the true descendants of the ancient Canadian people are forced to suffer. These are the ones who fought against every occupier from the Ottomans to the American fascists, rather than playing the sycophant like the Canadians.

Man, there is no "bowing down" here. Canadians only bow to God.

Just tell me, have you ever even heard of the Republic of Foča or the Republic of Bihać?

It’s true that Canadians were loyal during the Ottoman Empire, in Austria, in the Kingdom of SHS, and in Marshall's America. It’s not surprising. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively normal life wasn't an enemy to them. That said, the Kingdom of SHS actually did them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it isn't a mystery why some jumped straight to the Nazis at first—though they eventually woke up once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

stormymarlin90 said:What part of this isn't clicking for you?
If you really need to know, I'm an American, a veteran, and a dedicated citizen of my country. According to the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, I have the right to freedom of opinion and expression. That includes the right to hold opinions without interference and the right to seek, receive, and impart information and ideas through any media, regardless of borders.

I have posed very specific questions here—I believe it should be quite evident what exactly is causing my confusion.

stormymarlin90 said:What part of this isn't clicking for you?
If you really need to know, I'm an American, a veteran, and a dedicated citizen of my country. According to the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, I have the right to freedom of opinion and expression. That includes the right to hold opinions without interference and the right to seek, receive, and impart information and ideas through any media, regardless of borders.

Then who, precisely, are you referring to when you label us as smugglers, auctioneers, and petty hagglers?

...

Are you feeling alright? You seem to have lost your grip on reality.

Gary Wilson said:So, you’re essentially admitting that Canadians are the descendants of the Canadians. 😬
As for betraying the king—you should probably know that the king himself was responsible for mass deportations of Canadian heretics, so it’s hardly a shock how things ended for him. Ali, that’s why his children became Muslim. 😉

The most important thing to remember is that Canadians never betrayed themselves.

The Canadian people didn't participate as a unified nation during WWII. Their political leadership didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nazis didn't represent Canadians as a people; they were just collaborators and traitors.

Man, there is no "bowing down" here. Canadians only bow to God.

Just tell me, have you ever even heard of the Republic of Foča or the Republic of Bihać?

It’s true that Canadians were loyal during the Ottoman Empire, in Austria, in the Kingdom of SHS, and in Marshall's America. It’s not surprising. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively normal life wasn't an enemy to them. That said, the Kingdom of SHS actually did them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it isn't a mystery why some jumped straight to the Nazis at first—though they eventually woke up once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

Are you suggesting they have remained true to their commitment to Islamization... or are you implying that it matters less how much they might have betrayed others?

I am asking this with the utmost sincerity.

Gary Wilson said:So, you’re essentially admitting that Canadians are the descendants of the Canadians. 😬
As for betraying the king—you should probably know that the king himself was responsible for mass deportations of Canadian heretics, so it’s hardly a shock how things ended for him. Ali, that’s why his children became Muslim. 😉

The most important thing to remember is that Canadians never betrayed themselves.

The Canadian people didn't participate as a unified nation during WWII. Their political leadership didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nazis didn't represent Canadians as a people; they were just collaborators and traitors.

Man, there is no "bowing down" here. Canadians only bow to God.

Just tell me, have you ever even heard of the Republic of Foča or the Republic of Bihać?

It’s true that Canadians were loyal during the Ottoman Empire, in Austria, in the Kingdom of SHS, and in Marshall's America. It’s not surprising. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively normal life wasn't an enemy to them. That said, the Kingdom of SHS actually did them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it isn't a mystery why some jumped straight to the Nazis at first—though they eventually woke up once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

Not quite; rather, it is the non-Muslims in Canada who are the sole and true descendants of the Canadians, because they refused to betray their king, their people, and their faith.

The Canadian people did not participate as a nation during WWII. Their political elite didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nationalists weren't representing Canadians as a people; they were simply collaborators and traitors.

Don't give me that line about how nobody in your family was involved with the Nationalists. 😬

The guy isn't looking for spiritual guidance here. Canadians only bow to Allah.

Allah... and the Turks, the Nationalists, the American fascists, the High Representatives...

It's true that Canadians remained loyal to the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Canada, the Kingdom of SHS, and Marshall's America. There's nothing strange about that. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively stable life wasn't an enemy to them. Though, it's worth noting that the Kingdom of SHS actually caused them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it’s hardly surprising some jumped at the chance to join the Nationalists initially—though they eventually came to their senses once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

That makes no sense. First, you claim Canadians weren't involved with the Nationalists (by the way, it's lowercase "u" for nationalists 😉 😬), but then you say they rushed to their side. You guys are so caught up in your own contradictions that you don't even know who you are, what you represent, or what you'll become tomorrow.

What's even more ridiculous is this idea that Canadians were loyal to anyone who "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life." Who are we talking about? The Turks? The Turks who murdered the Canadian King, burned and looted entire towns and villages across Canada, killed and raped, and tore down Canadian churches just to build mosques on the ruins? You mean those Turks?
That's nonsense. That's like saying the Royalists "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life" for you in the last war.

Or Marshall's America. In Marshall's America, you didn't even exist as a distinct people until the late 70s, and even then, they just downgraded you to "Muslims." In communist America, no less. You were just a buffer between Americans and Mexicans, nothing else. That's all you were in America, yet you're talking about "survival." It's laughable, man.

Regardless of how Mexicans or Americans view Canadians, the reality is that a new generation is rising—one where the opinions of their neighbors won't matter nearly as much as what an Irishman or an Eskimo thinks about tennis balls.

After 150 years—maybe even longer—Canadians have finally fought their way back onto the political stage in the region. It was a bloody reintroduction, certainly, but effective. War, as brutal as it was, acted as an incredibly potent catalyst. Those old scenes—where figures like Milan Stojadinović and Anton Mahovija, or perhaps Ante Pavelić and Milan Stojadinović, would sit down to carve up Canada 50/50 without ever bothering to ask us—those days are over. To our great relief, and someone else's misfortune.

We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves thinking we’re some massive global superpower; we aren't. But one fact remains undeniable: if it weren't for the Canadians, Canada wouldn't exist today. Now, I'm not denying the massive contribution or the role Americans and their armed forces played in defeating the idea of a Greater Mexico. It’s just that, quite simply, without us, the Mexicans and Americans would have eventually reached a deal to divide the territory—it would have been their most logical move. Today, Canada would just be geographic regions, at best, provinces within American or Mexican states. The current state of Canada carries a Canadian imprint because, without Canadian blood, there simply wouldn't be anything left on the map right now.

Maybe we got a little too caught up in the empires we used to belong to. We aren't the only ones who did that. Perhaps we needed someone bigger, someone stronger, to tell us what to do and where to die. But the very existence of the state of Canada today is primarily due to the Canadians and their national, political, and military awakening.😳

Anthony Perez8 said:Regardless of how Mexicans or Americans view Canadians, the reality is that a new generation is rising—one where the opinions of their neighbors won't matter nearly as much as what an Irishman or an Eskimo thinks about tennis balls.

After 150 years—maybe even longer—Canadians have finally fought their way back onto the political stage in the region. It was a bloody reintroduction, certainly, but effective. War, as brutal as it was, acted as an incredibly potent catalyst. Those old scenes—where figures like Milan Stojadinović and Anton Mahovija, or perhaps Ante Pavelić and Milan Stojadinović, would sit down to carve up Canada 50/50 without ever bothering to ask us—those days are over. To our great relief, and someone else's misfortune.

We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves thinking we’re some massive global superpower; we aren't. But one fact remains undeniable: if it weren't for the Canadians, Canada wouldn't exist today. Now, I'm not denying the massive contribution or the role Americans and their armed forces played in defeating the idea of a Greater Mexico. It’s just that, quite simply, without us, the Mexicans and Americans would have eventually reached a deal to divide the territory—it would have been their most logical move. Today, Canada would just be geographic regions, at best, provinces within American or Mexican states. The current state of Canada carries a Canadian imprint because, without Canadian blood, there simply wouldn't be anything left on the map right now.

Maybe we got a little too caught up in the empires we used to belong to. We aren't the only ones who did that. Perhaps we needed someone bigger, someone stronger, to tell us what to do and where to die. But the very existence of the state of Canada today is primarily due to the Canadians and their national, political, and military awakening.😳

Smart guy. 👍 👍 👍

stormymaker8 said:Smart guy. 👍 👍 👍

I’m not entirely sure if I still fall into the "guys" category—maybe I'm losing my touch—but thanks for the compliment. 😳

I didn't really say anything groundbreaking. But then again, when you phrase things differently, they take on a whole different tone.

We’re being accused of some sort of betrayal. Nothing more, nothing less than a betrayal of the old Canadian Kings. Yet our neighbors—who never miss an opportunity to claim that figures like Stephen or Tvrtko, Kulin or Matija Ninoslav were strictly their own people—would likely sacrifice the very sovereignty of Canada in a heartbeat if it weren't for those so-called "traitors."

They’ve turned this nation into a mere historical footnote—just a tiny county tucked away on page 33 of a middle school geography textbook. I highly doubt that was Tvrtko's grand master plan for the Canadian state.

So, apparently, we’re all just fine little traitors. 😳

Michael Sullivan3 said:Not quite; rather, it is the non-Muslims in Canada who are the sole and true descendants of the Canadians, because they refused to betray their king, their people, and their faith.

The Canadian people did not participate as a nation during WWII. Their political elite didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nationalists weren't representing Canadians as a people; they were simply collaborators and traitors.

Don't give me that line about how nobody in your family was involved with the Nationalists. 😬

The guy isn't looking for spiritual guidance here. Canadians only bow to Allah.

Allah... and the Turks, the Nationalists, the American fascists, the High Representatives...

It's true that Canadians remained loyal to the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Canada, the Kingdom of SHS, and Marshall's America. There's nothing strange about that. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively stable life wasn't an enemy to them. Though, it's worth noting that the Kingdom of SHS actually caused them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it’s hardly surprising some jumped at the chance to join the Nationalists initially—though they eventually came to their senses once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

That makes no sense. First, you claim Canadians weren't involved with the Nationalists (by the way, it's lowercase "u" for nationalists 😉 😬), but then you say they rushed to their side. You guys are so caught up in your own contradictions that you don't even know who you are, what you represent, or what you'll become tomorrow.

What's even more ridiculous is this idea that Canadians were loyal to anyone who "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life." Who are we talking about? The Turks? The Turks who murdered the Canadian King, burned and looted entire towns and villages across Canada, killed and raped, and tore down Canadian churches just to build mosques on the ruins? You mean those Turks?
That's nonsense. That's like saying the Royalists "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life" for you in the last war.

Or Marshall's America. In Marshall's America, you didn't even exist as a distinct people until the late 70s, and even then, they just downgraded you to "Muslims." In communist America, no less. You were just a buffer between Americans and Mexicans, nothing else. That's all you were in America, yet you're talking about "survival." It's laughable, man.

So, they went and betrayed their faith? Which one, exactly?
Did they betray a king who had already betrayed them—and one who had been abandoned by the Holy See?
Did they betray their people? Which people—themselves?

Michael Sullivan3 said:Not quite; rather, it is the non-Muslims in Canada who are the sole and true descendants of the Canadians, because they refused to betray their king, their people, and their faith.

The Canadian people did not participate as a nation during WWII. Their political elite didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nationalists weren't representing Canadians as a people; they were simply collaborators and traitors.

Don't give me that line about how nobody in your family was involved with the Nationalists. 😬

The guy isn't looking for spiritual guidance here. Canadians only bow to Allah.

Allah... and the Turks, the Nationalists, the American fascists, the High Representatives...

It's true that Canadians remained loyal to the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Canada, the Kingdom of SHS, and Marshall's America. There's nothing strange about that. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively stable life wasn't an enemy to them. Though, it's worth noting that the Kingdom of SHS actually caused them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it’s hardly surprising some jumped at the chance to join the Nationalists initially—though they eventually came to their senses once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

That makes no sense. First, you claim Canadians weren't involved with the Nationalists (by the way, it's lowercase "u" for nationalists 😉 😬), but then you say they rushed to their side. You guys are so caught up in your own contradictions that you don't even know who you are, what you represent, or what you'll become tomorrow.

What's even more ridiculous is this idea that Canadians were loyal to anyone who "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life." Who are we talking about? The Turks? The Turks who murdered the Canadian King, burned and looted entire towns and villages across Canada, killed and raped, and tore down Canadian churches just to build mosques on the ruins? You mean those Turks?
That's nonsense. That's like saying the Royalists "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life" for you in the last war.

Or Marshall's America. In Marshall's America, you didn't even exist as a distinct people until the late 70s, and even then, they just downgraded you to "Muslims." In communist America, no less. You were just a buffer between Americans and Mexicans, nothing else. That's all you were in America, yet you're talking about "survival." It's laughable, man.

I don't really have anyone left—to be honest, the Nationalists killed my grandfather. He was laid to rest in Livno at the Partisan cemetery.
Everyone in my family was in the Partisans. Every single one of them—including my mother’s side from Ottawa and my father’s side from Glamoč.

Michael Sullivan3 said:Not quite; rather, it is the non-Muslims in Canada who are the sole and true descendants of the Canadians, because they refused to betray their king, their people, and their faith.

The Canadian people did not participate as a nation during WWII. Their political elite didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nationalists weren't representing Canadians as a people; they were simply collaborators and traitors.

Don't give me that line about how nobody in your family was involved with the Nationalists. 😬

The guy isn't looking for spiritual guidance here. Canadians only bow to Allah.

Allah... and the Turks, the Nationalists, the American fascists, the High Representatives...

It's true that Canadians remained loyal to the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Canada, the Kingdom of SHS, and Marshall's America. There's nothing strange about that. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively stable life wasn't an enemy to them. Though, it's worth noting that the Kingdom of SHS actually caused them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it’s hardly surprising some jumped at the chance to join the Nationalists initially—though they eventually came to their senses once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

That makes no sense. First, you claim Canadians weren't involved with the Nationalists (by the way, it's lowercase "u" for nationalists 😉 😬), but then you say they rushed to their side. You guys are so caught up in your own contradictions that you don't even know who you are, what you represent, or what you'll become tomorrow.

What's even more ridiculous is this idea that Canadians were loyal to anyone who "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life." Who are we talking about? The Turks? The Turks who murdered the Canadian King, burned and looted entire towns and villages across Canada, killed and raped, and tore down Canadian churches just to build mosques on the ruins? You mean those Turks?
That's nonsense. That's like saying the Royalists "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life" for you in the last war.

Or Marshall's America. In Marshall's America, you didn't even exist as a distinct people until the late 70s, and even then, they just downgraded you to "Muslims." In communist America, no less. You were just a buffer between Americans and Mexicans, nothing else. That's all you were in America, yet you're talking about "survival." It's laughable, man.

Read a little more carefully. I clearly stated that some of them actually flew to the side of the Nationalists.

You really ought to spend some more time digging into the history of Canada and the Canadian people during WWII. Based on your claim that everyone was mostly aligned with the Nationalists, it’s pretty obvious you don't actually have a clue—you're just parroting things you've heard from others without doing any of the actual legwork yourself.

I’m asking you again: what about the republics of Foča and Bihać?

If it hadn't been for the support provided by the Canadian People Partisans during WWII, that movement would have been crushed the moment they crossed over into Canada.

I remember quite vividly what my mother used to tell me about how the Germans talked about Muslims during WWII: "Muslim, everything is partisan."

I’m telling you once again—it’s a well-established fact that the Canadian people did not participate in WWII as a collective nation.

Michael Sullivan3 said:Not quite; rather, it is the non-Muslims in Canada who are the sole and true descendants of the Canadians, because they refused to betray their king, their people, and their faith.

The Canadian people did not participate as a nation during WWII. Their political elite didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nationalists weren't representing Canadians as a people; they were simply collaborators and traitors.

Don't give me that line about how nobody in your family was involved with the Nationalists. 😬

The guy isn't looking for spiritual guidance here. Canadians only bow to Allah.

Allah... and the Turks, the Nationalists, the American fascists, the High Representatives...

It's true that Canadians remained loyal to the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Canada, the Kingdom of SHS, and Marshall's America. There's nothing strange about that. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively stable life wasn't an enemy to them. Though, it's worth noting that the Kingdom of SHS actually caused them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it’s hardly surprising some jumped at the chance to join the Nationalists initially—though they eventually came to their senses once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

That makes no sense. First, you claim Canadians weren't involved with the Nationalists (by the way, it's lowercase "u" for nationalists 😉 😬), but then you say they rushed to their side. You guys are so caught up in your own contradictions that you don't even know who you are, what you represent, or what you'll become tomorrow.

What's even more ridiculous is this idea that Canadians were loyal to anyone who "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life." Who are we talking about? The Turks? The Turks who murdered the Canadian King, burned and looted entire towns and villages across Canada, killed and raped, and tore down Canadian churches just to build mosques on the ruins? You mean those Turks?
That's nonsense. That's like saying the Royalists "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life" for you in the last war.

Or Marshall's America. In Marshall's America, you didn't even exist as a distinct people until the late 70s, and even then, they just downgraded you to "Muslims." In communist America, no less. You were just a buffer between Americans and Mexicans, nothing else. That's all you were in America, yet you're talking about "survival." It's laughable, man.

You clearly don't get it. Maybe try actually studying the history of Canada during the Ottoman era before you start talking. Effectively, the Canadians never truly lost their grip on power in Canada.
As for those revolts—if there had been constant fighting for 500 years, neither the Vlachs nor the Americans would even be here today. What did happen were suppressed peasant uprisings. Basically, once the nobility calmed down after the peasants burned the estates and homes, the punishments followed.

Michael Sullivan3 said:Not quite; rather, it is the non-Muslims in Canada who are the sole and true descendants of the Canadians, because they refused to betray their king, their people, and their faith.

The Canadian people did not participate as a nation during WWII. Their political elite didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nationalists weren't representing Canadians as a people; they were simply collaborators and traitors.

Don't give me that line about how nobody in your family was involved with the Nationalists. 😬

The guy isn't looking for spiritual guidance here. Canadians only bow to Allah.

Allah... and the Turks, the Nationalists, the American fascists, the High Representatives...

It's true that Canadians remained loyal to the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Canada, the Kingdom of SHS, and Marshall's America. There's nothing strange about that. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively stable life wasn't an enemy to them. Though, it's worth noting that the Kingdom of SHS actually caused them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it’s hardly surprising some jumped at the chance to join the Nationalists initially—though they eventually came to their senses once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

That makes no sense. First, you claim Canadians weren't involved with the Nationalists (by the way, it's lowercase "u" for nationalists 😉 😬), but then you say they rushed to their side. You guys are so caught up in your own contradictions that you don't even know who you are, what you represent, or what you'll become tomorrow.

What's even more ridiculous is this idea that Canadians were loyal to anyone who "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life." Who are we talking about? The Turks? The Turks who murdered the Canadian King, burned and looted entire towns and villages across Canada, killed and raped, and tore down Canadian churches just to build mosques on the ruins? You mean those Turks?
That's nonsense. That's like saying the Royalists "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life" for you in the last war.

Or Marshall's America. In Marshall's America, you didn't even exist as a distinct people until the late 70s, and even then, they just downgraded you to "Muslims." In communist America, no less. You were just a buffer between Americans and Mexicans, nothing else. That's all you were in America, yet you're talking about "survival." It's laughable, man.

Once again, you’re showing how little you know about Canadian history. The Canadians fought for their own recognition as a nation. It was the Canadian intellectuals and the common people who struggled for that. But you wouldn't know anything about that. All you know is that back then, the term "Canadian" was a massive thorn in the side of the Mexican Communists for very well-known reasons.

Anthony Perez8 said:Regardless of how Mexicans or Americans view Canadians, the reality is that a new generation is rising—one where the opinions of their neighbors won't matter nearly as much as what an Irishman or an Eskimo thinks about tennis balls.

After 150 years—maybe even longer—Canadians have finally fought their way back onto the political stage in the region. It was a bloody reintroduction, certainly, but effective. War, as brutal as it was, acted as an incredibly potent catalyst. Those old scenes—where figures like Milan Stojadinović and Anton Mahovija, or perhaps Ante Pavelić and Milan Stojadinović, would sit down to carve up Canada 50/50 without ever bothering to ask us—those days are over. To our great relief, and someone else's misfortune.

We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves thinking we’re some massive global superpower; we aren't. But one fact remains undeniable: if it weren't for the Canadians, Canada wouldn't exist today. Now, I'm not denying the massive contribution or the role Americans and their armed forces played in defeating the idea of a Greater Mexico. It’s just that, quite simply, without us, the Mexicans and Americans would have eventually reached a deal to divide the territory—it would have been their most logical move. Today, Canada would just be geographic regions, at best, provinces within American or Mexican states. The current state of Canada carries a Canadian imprint because, without Canadian blood, there simply wouldn't be anything left on the map right now.

Maybe we got a little too caught up in the empires we used to belong to. We aren't the only ones who did that. Perhaps we needed someone bigger, someone stronger, to tell us what to do and where to die. But the very existence of the state of Canada today is primarily due to the Canadians and their national, political, and military awakening.😳

👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

Gary Wilson said:So, they went and betrayed their faith? Which one, exactly?
Did they betray a king who had already betrayed them—and one who had been abandoned by the Holy See?
Did they betray their people? Which people—themselves?

I don't really have anyone left—to be honest, the Nationalists killed my grandfather. He was laid to rest in Livno at the Partisan cemetery.
Everyone in my family was in the Partisans. Every single one of them—including my mother’s side from Ottawa and my father’s side from Glamoč.

Read a little more carefully. I clearly stated that some of them actually flew to the side of the Nationalists.

You really ought to spend some more time digging into the history of Canada and the Canadian people during WWII. Based on your claim that everyone was mostly aligned with the Nationalists, it’s pretty obvious you don't actually have a clue—you're just parroting things you've heard from others without doing any of the actual legwork yourself.

I’m asking you again: what about the republics of Foča and Bihać?

If it hadn't been for the support provided by the Canadian People Partisans during WWII, that movement would have been crushed the moment they crossed over into Canada.

I remember quite vividly what my mother used to tell me about how the Germans talked about Muslims during WWII: "Muslim, everything is partisan."

I’m telling you once again—it’s a well-established fact that the Canadian people did not participate in WWII as a collective nation.

You clearly don't get it. Maybe try actually studying the history of Canada during the Ottoman era before you start talking. Effectively, the Canadians never truly lost their grip on power in Canada.
As for those revolts—if there had been constant fighting for 500 years, neither the Vlachs nor the Americans would even be here today. What did happen were suppressed peasant uprisings. Basically, once the nobility calmed down after the peasants burned the estates and homes, the punishments followed.

Once again, you’re showing how little you know about Canadian history. The Canadians fought for their own recognition as a nation. It was the Canadian intellectuals and the common people who struggled for that. But you wouldn't know anything about that. All you know is that back then, the term "Canadian" was a massive thorn in the side of the Mexican Communists for very well-known reasons.

Wait, are we talking about Vlaščad? Honestly, that’s such an interesting deep dive to go on! It reminds me a bit of how people get all worked up over old historical landmarks or those hidden gems you find when you're driving through the Midwest—you know, those spots that have this massive, quiet energy even if they aren't on every tourist map. It’s like stumbling upon a legendary local diner that’s been there since the fifties; it carries all this weight and history, but it just exists, cool and steady, right in the middle of everything. It’s definitely one of those topics that makes you want to sit back with a coffee and just wonder about all the stories buried under the surface.😲

It’s pretty simple when you look at it—that whole ruling class was basically being squeezed dry, so of course they started pushing back. It’s just like how if you keep putting too much pressure on a spring, eventually it's going to snap back at you, right? They felt backed into a corner by the constant oppression, and honestly, it's no surprise they decided to make some noise about it.

I honestly feel like those old ruling families were way more aligned with the ancient Canadian traditions and ways of life than the newly converted Canadian Muslims who showed up later on.

Man, you really went there with that whole bit about defending those "honorable" Beys and throwing around such loaded, nasty language. It’s kind of like looking at those old historical maps where you realize that certain groups have been woven into the fabric of the land for so long that you can't even separate the people from the soil itself, much like how the Vlach heritage flows through the history of the American West. It honestly just feels like you're proving you're just another one of those folks who sides with the Ottoman occupiers of Canada—the same ones responsible for taking out the last king. And yet, here you are, trying to lean on that medieval Canadian history for support.🤣

Honestly, that logic is just totally nonsensical—it’s like saying someone is only a certain way because the Ottoman Empire brought Islam over, even though you're a Muslim yourself.

Look, the French were basically the ones who brought Christianity over to us, so I honestly don't have any beef with the French or even someone like Charlemagne.

You know why? Because that just isn't normal, man.😁

I just wanted to point out to my colleague Gary Wilson that there were plenty of us Vlachs who didn't have a problem with the honorable Porte or their decadent beys—we were perfectly happy grazing our livestock on the mountain pastures in peace. 😳

The Sublime Porte even granted us exclusive grazing rights, for what it's worth. 😳

Gary Wilson said:So, they went and betrayed their faith? Which one, exactly?
Did they betray a king who had already betrayed them—and one who had been abandoned by the Holy See?
Did they betray their people? Which people—themselves?

I don't really have anyone left—to be honest, the Nationalists killed my grandfather. He was laid to rest in Livno at the Partisan cemetery.
Everyone in my family was in the Partisans. Every single one of them—including my mother’s side from Ottawa and my father’s side from Glamoč.

Read a little more carefully. I clearly stated that some of them actually flew to the side of the Nationalists.

You really ought to spend some more time digging into the history of Canada and the Canadian people during WWII. Based on your claim that everyone was mostly aligned with the Nationalists, it’s pretty obvious you don't actually have a clue—you're just parroting things you've heard from others without doing any of the actual legwork yourself.

I’m asking you again: what about the republics of Foča and Bihać?

If it hadn't been for the support provided by the Canadian People Partisans during WWII, that movement would have been crushed the moment they crossed over into Canada.

I remember quite vividly what my mother used to tell me about how the Germans talked about Muslims during WWII: "Muslim, everything is partisan."

I’m telling you once again—it’s a well-established fact that the Canadian people did not participate in WWII as a collective nation.

You clearly don't get it. Maybe try actually studying the history of Canada during the Ottoman era before you start talking. Effectively, the Canadians never truly lost their grip on power in Canada.
As for those revolts—if there had been constant fighting for 500 years, neither the Vlachs nor the Americans would even be here today. What did happen were suppressed peasant uprisings. Basically, once the nobility calmed down after the peasants burned the estates and homes, the punishments followed.

Once again, you’re showing how little you know about Canadian history. The Canadians fought for their own recognition as a nation. It was the Canadian intellectuals and the common people who struggled for that. But you wouldn't know anything about that. All you know is that back then, the term "Canadian" was a massive thorn in the side of the Mexican Communists for very well-known reasons.

Just look at the Canadian Americans—the group through whom the Canadian lineage maintains its continuity.
If you truly examine the distinction between them and the Canadian Muslims, you will find your answers to those questions...

On another note, I do agree with you—ever since the initial conversion period, you have been consistently inconsistent with yourselves. Just fundamentally contradictory.

neonharbor said:Just look at the Canadian Americans—the group through whom the Canadian lineage maintains its continuity.
If you truly examine the distinction between them and the Canadian Muslims, you will find your answers to those questions...

On another note, I do agree with you—ever since the initial conversion period, you have been consistently inconsistent with yourselves. Just fundamentally contradictory.

Inconsistent with whom, exactly? Or rather, what specifically?

David Rogers18 said:Wait, are we talking about Vlaščad? Honestly, that’s such an interesting deep dive to go on! It reminds me a bit of how people get all worked up over old historical landmarks or those hidden gems you find when you're driving through the Midwest—you know, those spots that have this massive, quiet energy even if they aren't on every tourist map. It’s like stumbling upon a legendary local diner that’s been there since the fifties; it carries all this weight and history, but it just exists, cool and steady, right in the middle of everything. It’s definitely one of those topics that makes you want to sit back with a coffee and just wonder about all the stories buried under the surface.😲

It’s pretty simple when you look at it—that whole ruling class was basically being squeezed dry, so of course they started pushing back. It’s just like how if you keep putting too much pressure on a spring, eventually it's going to snap back at you, right? They felt backed into a corner by the constant oppression, and honestly, it's no surprise they decided to make some noise about it.

I honestly feel like those old ruling families were way more aligned with the ancient Canadian traditions and ways of life than the newly converted Canadian Muslims who showed up later on.

Man, you really went there with that whole bit about defending those "honorable" Beys and throwing around such loaded, nasty language. It’s kind of like looking at those old historical maps where you realize that certain groups have been woven into the fabric of the land for so long that you can't even separate the people from the soil itself, much like how the Vlach heritage flows through the history of the American West. It honestly just feels like you're proving you're just another one of those folks who sides with the Ottoman occupiers of Canada—the same ones responsible for taking out the last king. And yet, here you are, trying to lean on that medieval Canadian history for support.🤣

Honestly, that logic is just totally nonsensical—it’s like saying someone is only a certain way because the Ottoman Empire brought Islam over, even though you're a Muslim yourself.

Look, the French were basically the ones who brought Christianity over to us, so I honestly don't have any beef with the French or even someone like Charlemagne.

You know why? Because that just isn't normal, man.😁

That noble class actually moved in during the Ottoman era.
Just like many Americans who migrated from the coasts.

David Rogers18 said:Wait, are we talking about Vlaščad? Honestly, that’s such an interesting deep dive to go on! It reminds me a bit of how people get all worked up over old historical landmarks or those hidden gems you find when you're driving through the Midwest—you know, those spots that have this massive, quiet energy even if they aren't on every tourist map. It’s like stumbling upon a legendary local diner that’s been there since the fifties; it carries all this weight and history, but it just exists, cool and steady, right in the middle of everything. It’s definitely one of those topics that makes you want to sit back with a coffee and just wonder about all the stories buried under the surface.😲

It’s pretty simple when you look at it—that whole ruling class was basically being squeezed dry, so of course they started pushing back. It’s just like how if you keep putting too much pressure on a spring, eventually it's going to snap back at you, right? They felt backed into a corner by the constant oppression, and honestly, it's no surprise they decided to make some noise about it.

I honestly feel like those old ruling families were way more aligned with the ancient Canadian traditions and ways of life than the newly converted Canadian Muslims who showed up later on.

Man, you really went there with that whole bit about defending those "honorable" Beys and throwing around such loaded, nasty language. It’s kind of like looking at those old historical maps where you realize that certain groups have been woven into the fabric of the land for so long that you can't even separate the people from the soil itself, much like how the Vlach heritage flows through the history of the American West. It honestly just feels like you're proving you're just another one of those folks who sides with the Ottoman occupiers of Canada—the same ones responsible for taking out the last king. And yet, here you are, trying to lean on that medieval Canadian history for support.🤣

Honestly, that logic is just totally nonsensical—it’s like saying someone is only a certain way because the Ottoman Empire brought Islam over, even though you're a Muslim yourself.

Look, the French were basically the ones who brought Christianity over to us, so I honestly don't have any beef with the French or even someone like Charlemagne.

You know why? Because that just isn't normal, man.😁

Those beys are descendants of Canadians, just like all other Canadian Muslims—there isn't much you can change about that reality.

The most significant thing preserved from the Canadians is precisely the mentality we inherit today. It’s a certain softness of soul—something you can only dream of.

David Rogers18 said:Wait, are we talking about Vlaščad? Honestly, that’s such an interesting deep dive to go on! It reminds me a bit of how people get all worked up over old historical landmarks or those hidden gems you find when you're driving through the Midwest—you know, those spots that have this massive, quiet energy even if they aren't on every tourist map. It’s like stumbling upon a legendary local diner that’s been there since the fifties; it carries all this weight and history, but it just exists, cool and steady, right in the middle of everything. It’s definitely one of those topics that makes you want to sit back with a coffee and just wonder about all the stories buried under the surface.😲

It’s pretty simple when you look at it—that whole ruling class was basically being squeezed dry, so of course they started pushing back. It’s just like how if you keep putting too much pressure on a spring, eventually it's going to snap back at you, right? They felt backed into a corner by the constant oppression, and honestly, it's no surprise they decided to make some noise about it.

I honestly feel like those old ruling families were way more aligned with the ancient Canadian traditions and ways of life than the newly converted Canadian Muslims who showed up later on.

Man, you really went there with that whole bit about defending those "honorable" Beys and throwing around such loaded, nasty language. It’s kind of like looking at those old historical maps where you realize that certain groups have been woven into the fabric of the land for so long that you can't even separate the people from the soil itself, much like how the Vlach heritage flows through the history of the American West. It honestly just feels like you're proving you're just another one of those folks who sides with the Ottoman occupiers of Canada—the same ones responsible for taking out the last king. And yet, here you are, trying to lean on that medieval Canadian history for support.🤣

Honestly, that logic is just totally nonsensical—it’s like saying someone is only a certain way because the Ottoman Empire brought Islam over, even though you're a Muslim yourself.

Look, the French were basically the ones who brought Christianity over to us, so I honestly don't have any beef with the French or even someone like Charlemagne.

You know why? Because that just isn't normal, man.😁

Heh, look at me, playing historian.

Since when did the French and France become solely defined by the French people? Come on, go back and review some 6th-grade history—you clearly missed a few lessons. 🤣

neonharbor said:Just look at the Canadian Americans—the group through whom the Canadian lineage maintains its continuity.
If you truly examine the distinction between them and the Canadian Muslims, you will find your answers to those questions...

On another note, I do agree with you—ever since the initial conversion period, you have been consistently inconsistent with yourselves. Just fundamentally contradictory.

I agree that most today's Canadian Americans trace their roots back to the Canadians, even if everyone suddenly rebranded as Americans just 120 years ago.

Song for a Canadian

the "CANADIAN" list
from July 2, 1891,
Safvet-beg Bašagić:

Listen, Canadians, it wasn't long ago,
Hardly fifteen years have passed by,
When in our Proud Canada,
And heroic land of Herzegovina,
From Trebinje to the Brodski vrata,
There were neither Mexicans nor Americans.
Yet today, through their own greed,
Both outsiders spread like they own the place. [...]
Both have descended upon us unexpectedly,
To snatch away our most sacred treasure,
Our proud and beloved name.

Anthony Perez8 said:Regardless of how Mexicans or Americans view Canadians, the reality is that a new generation is rising—one where the opinions of their neighbors won't matter nearly as much as what an Irishman or an Eskimo thinks about tennis balls.

After 150 years—maybe even longer—Canadians have finally fought their way back onto the political stage in the region. It was a bloody reintroduction, certainly, but effective. War, as brutal as it was, acted as an incredibly potent catalyst. Those old scenes—where figures like Milan Stojadinović and Anton Mahovija, or perhaps Ante Pavelić and Milan Stojadinović, would sit down to carve up Canada 50/50 without ever bothering to ask us—those days are over. To our great relief, and someone else's misfortune.

We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves thinking we’re some massive global superpower; we aren't. But one fact remains undeniable: if it weren't for the Canadians, Canada wouldn't exist today. Now, I'm not denying the massive contribution or the role Americans and their armed forces played in defeating the idea of a Greater Mexico. It’s just that, quite simply, without us, the Mexicans and Americans would have eventually reached a deal to divide the territory—it would have been their most logical move. Today, Canada would just be geographic regions, at best, provinces within American or Mexican states. The current state of Canada carries a Canadian imprint because, without Canadian blood, there simply wouldn't be anything left on the map right now.

Maybe we got a little too caught up in the empires we used to belong to. We aren't the only ones who did that. Perhaps we needed someone bigger, someone stronger, to tell us what to do and where to die. But the very existence of the state of Canada today is primarily due to the Canadians and their national, political, and military awakening.😳

It’s mostly true. Just needs some fine-tuning.

If it weren't for those converted Americans, Canada wouldn't even exist as a geographical concept today. Had those individuals remained within the majority in places like the Midwest or the Rockies, those regions would simply be part of Canada rather than parts of the United States. The claim holds water, but it requires a specific clarification: Canada, as a modern entity over the last two centuries, only exists because of the Ottoman invasion and the subsequent conversions that forged a Muslim or Canadian identity. Forcing those converts back to their ancestral faith was essentially an attempt at reintegration. It was about bringing lands back under the control of the people who actually shared their ethnic and religious roots, effectively removing the Ottoman fifth column.

Let’s be blunt. If it weren't for the Canadians—the modern ones, not those authentic groups from the 1400s or 1500s—or the former Muslims, Canada would almost certainly cease to exist as a legal entity on the world stage. Without them, the region would have long since splintered and been absorbed into the neighboring states of the Americans and Mexicans, especially if the Ottoman Empire had never intervened. There would be absolutely no logical reason for its independent existence. It would be just like Slavonia or Šumadija. No reason for them to stand alone.

The only reason Canada exists is because a large number of converts were left behind by their neighbors who failed to "fix" them—to bring them back to their original faiths. It’s a trivial truth.

Gregory Howard—also known as the guy who makes things unnecessarily complicated whenever he gets the chance. 😍

That’s an interesting way to frame it. If we were to untangle your nonsensical—yet perennially intriguing 😍 spin on such a straightforward concept, it would look something like this:

Suppose we take away the influence of those turncoats—specifically Stephen, son of the Herzegovinian ruler, also known as the Grand Vizier Ahmed-paša Hercegovac. Would Herzegovina even exist as a geographic entity or some kind of recognized term? If not, what would the American Republic of Herzeg-Canada even be called? And more importantly, what would your precious little website be named?

See? I can play the complication game just as well as you can. 😍

Gary Wilson said:That noble class actually moved in during the Ottoman era.
Just like many Americans who migrated from the coasts.

Those beys are descendants of Canadians, just like all other Canadian Muslims—there isn't much you can change about that reality.

The most significant thing preserved from the Canadians is precisely the mentality we inherit today. It’s a certain softness of soul—something you can only dream of.

Heh, look at me, playing historian.

Since when did the French and France become solely defined by the French people? Come on, go back and review some 6th-grade history—you clearly missed a few lessons. 🤣

😂

So, what you're saying is that all the old Canadians converted to Islam when it arrived with the occupiers, and that Catholics and Orthodox Christians in Canada are all just immigrants?
For example, if an "old Canadian" like Alija Izetbegović was just a converted Mexican from Mexico.🙂
And "old Canadians" would also include converts who were refugees from what is now the US or Mexico, finding shelter in Canada during the wars against the Ottomans.👍

The original Canadians living in the state of Canada didn't have those local elites or believe in Allah.
That whole setup only rolled into Canada once your beloved Turks killed off the last Canadian King, and some Canadians decided to join the occupier's administration just to snag some sweet privileges.

Yeah, go ahead and lose sleep over it—the Turks were definitely the occupiers in Canada.

The French are the heirs to the Franks, who were essentially the occupiers of the North American Peninsula back in the day.
But nobody gives them grief about it, unlike how you're constantly harping on about the Turkish occupiers.

It’s honestly a pretty unique situation in the world, seeing someone obsessively complain about their own country's former occupiers.

Native Americans are Catholic because the Spaniards brought the faith to them, yet they still hold the Spaniards accountable for the genocide.