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George Ramirez11 George Ramirez11 NewcomerOP
7 messages
joined Jun 2007
#1 ·
🙂 I'm a single mom to a wonderful two-year-old. That’s just the reality of things—my husband has been in prison for a year and a half now, and he'll be there for at least another year, maybe two more at most.
My struggle with heroin goes back about ten years. My little boy has everything he needs and then some; I honestly just adore him. I’ve never neglected him, though—to be fair, drugs don't even hit me the way they used to, so I don't really know where I stand with myself anymore. When I'm home, I'm just... normal. Even when I'm crashing, I haven't let it stop me from playing with my kid and giving him my full attention. If it comes down to it, the last cent I have is always spent on him if he needs something, never on getting high. I don't really have a social life, no shady characters hanging around the house, and I hardly ever go out. Maybe once a month, after I've finally gotten him to sleep, I'll sneak a hit somewhere, but even then, I'm glued to my phone just in case my mom calls because the little guy woke up. Long story short, I have one happy, hyperactive, giggly, playful kid who is just as head-over-heels for me as I am for him. When I actually have to leave the house for something, my mom (who lives with us) and I put on this whole little performance to distract him so he doesn't freak out. Otherwise, his crying just breaks me.
So, here's the thing. Two months ago, the police kicked our door down. They got a tip that I was dealing. They searched the place and found absolutely nothing, but—of course—they still managed to bring a caseworker from Child Protective Services right to my doorstep. Now I'm under supervision. These days, I'm basically signing away my rights (whether I want to or not) to comply with the oversight, and the whole process is starting...
Basically, the caseworker is going to contact me once a week to check if the kid is fed, clean, and all that. I can handle that part, but the other part is the problem. They’re going to drug test me whenever they feel like it. If I test positive, I lose custody. I won't say I'll lose my child, since custody would just go to my mother—whom I see and visit all the time anyway—but... still. I want to be a mother to my son. I don't know if people who haven't dealt with addiction can even wrap their heads around this. Even when the stakes are this high, I just can't seem to help myself. I guess I just don't have the willpower or the strength or whatever else it takes to stay clean for those few days needed to pass a test. I know I'm a good mom—honestly, better than a lot of them—but I don't know how to handle this. Losing custody isn't an option. Neither my son nor I would survive it.
How do I stay clean? Just to start—just to get through those first few days to pass the tests—and then we'll figure out the rest. I know I have to get rid of the drugs regardless of all this drama.
I'm not sure if any advice will actually help, but I know some support from people who actually understand the truth of this situation would go a long way...
Thanks.
James Allen6 James Allen6 Active Member
85 messages
joined Apr 2007
#2 ·
If you are truly a happy person and, more importantly, a good mother, then let this be the extra motivation you need to walk away from an expensive, unhealthy, and dangerous addiction.

You are going to have to stop eventually anyway. I guess it might be better to do it now, while your child is still small, so they can have you as a role model before they are old enough to understand what is happening.

You said yourself that your child is the most important thing in the world to you. Maybe now is the time to prove it.
Try to find whatever strength you have left inside; I get the feeling you are capable of this.

Good luck.
brightridge59 brightridge59 Active Member
85 messages
joined Jun 2011
#3 ·
I wanted to reach out and tell you that you really need to move past the addiction, regardless of what any drug test says, though it sounds like you’re already fully aware of that reality. I just hope those tests don't end up being your only reason to stay clean; honestly, approaching a struggle this heavy with a "no biggie, it'll be fine" attitude doesn't usually cut it when things get tough.

I've dealt with my own struggles with substances—not specifically with methadone, but I have someone very close to me who has—so I truly understand how daunting that decision is, knowing how hard it can be to finally walk away from it all. But you actually have the ultimate motivation right in front of you: your son. 🙂

Also, as much as you feel like you're doing an amazing job as a mom, please try not to use that identity as an excuse if you happen to slip up. Life has a way of throwing unimaginable curveballs at us, and even when you think you're being incredibly careful, things like an overdose can happen in the blink of an eye.

As for the detox process itself, I wouldn't recommend those hospital stays or intensive rehab programs. You might want to look into this instead.
Paul Perez Paul Perez Member
17 messages
joined Jun 2007
#4 ·
Look, as a mother myself, I totally get where you're coming from—I know you love that kid more than anything in this world and you genuinely want what's best for them in your own way.

But if we’re talking strictly professional, I honestly think you’re lucky they haven't snatched your child away yet, and I am dead set against any addict WHO EXPLICITLY REFUSES treatment getting even a shred of a chance at custody.

Have you actually sat down and asked yourself these things:

How much longer do you actually plan on being there for your child? Like, how much time do you have left in this life? You know damn well that drugs are cutting your lifespan short and every single morning is a gamble. Don't you want to be by their side ten years from now? Or fifteen?

Can't that much love be enough to motivate you to walk away from the drugs?

There is zero way to dodge a positive result during a surprise drug test in the long run. That’s literally why random testing exists; it isn't actually "random."

The only real way out is to get clean. In my opinion, the smartest move is to reach out to a social worker through Narcotics Anonymous to help you get sober, and while you're working through that, let your mom or grandma spend more time looking after your son.

I don't know if you've really processed this, but as a heroin addict, you aren't going to be able to handle the growing needs of a child for much longer.

It seems pretty obvious to me that you're mature and smart enough to grasp just how heavy this situation is—for your child, for your future relationship with them, and ultimately, for your own life.

There are ways to get clean, and from what I can see, there are plenty of people here who have been through it; don't take the easy way out, just fix the damn problem.

Stop making excuses to yourself about how you're "just normal on methadone"—that's total nonsense. Try putting this letter into perspective twenty years down the road: would you actually want your son to read this back then, and do you really think it would convince him of your "limitless love"?
Daniel Ward87 Daniel Ward87 Active Member
195 messages
joined May 2023
#5 ·
Reach out to Narcotics Anonymous.. if you're in the Washington, D.C. area, they're located right near Arlington National Cemetery... and make sure to get in touch with Ms. Luke Sabljić...

Daniel Ward87
feralscout9 feralscout9 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jun 2007
#6 ·
It’s simple: it's either your kid or the drugs. There is no third option.
Casey Kim20 Casey Kim20 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Jun 2007
#7 ·
Do you really need any more motivation than that little angel?
Steven Lopez19 Steven Lopez19 Member
43 messages
joined Jun 2007
#8 ·
Look, I know you’re probably going to lose it when you read this, but I’d seriously suggest looking at other options...
if you head straight to Narcotics Anonymous, they’re just going to push methadone or some kind of blocker on you, and honestly, it feels like a wash—it's all the same thing, right?
Instead, look into joining a recovery community. That way, you actually have a real shot at getting clean and being there for your kid full-time. I know you might be thinking that's out of the question, but do you really want your child growing up watching their mom struggle with addiction and eventually following in those same footsteps?...

I truly think it's worth considering....

If you have any questions, just reach out..
mellowjackal33 mellowjackal33 Member
38 messages
joined Jun 2006
#9 ·
First things first—get real here. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.

On one hand: you say getting clean just isn't happening for you.

But on the other: you say there's absolutely no way they can take your kid and give them to their mother.

So, here’s the deal:

- if you don't have the strength to get sober—then the only right move is letting that child go to your mom (she’s lucky she has a grandma)—because looking at the long term, you won't be able to show up for them. Heroin is hell, and you can't predict who you'll be tomorrow (if you want to be responsible, you HAVE to think this way).

- look, if you're going to be that uncompromising about your kid, then GET CLEAN FROM THAT STUFF. Tie yourself to a chair if you have to—cut off everyone involved with drugs, change your number, ditch the phone, rip the pages out of your address book...

BOTTOM LINE—be uncompromising about wanting your child, but that means taking full responsibility. You don't have any other choice.

Maybe it sounds harsh, but that's just the reality. I truly want you to succeed and I feel for you. I'm not part of that world, but someone already gave you solid advice on who to call. It doesn't matter: if you can't do this alone, why not head to a church? They have work communities and all sorts of miracles—where you can completely disconnect from the world you can't seem to resist. And it doesn't even matter if you're religious or not. The government will help, but their version of help has a flaw—they give you freedom, which basically means you'll be right back there as soon as a craving hits. What you actually need is HELP FROM OTHERS and total isolation from the drug scene. So LET PEOPLE HELP YOU. You don't have to carry this whole weight by yourself.

Anyway—sending you all the good vibes in the universe to get out of this mess. 🙂 🙂 🙂
mellowjackal33 mellowjackal33 Member
38 messages
joined Jun 2006
#10 ·
Steven Lopez19 said:Look, I know you’re probably going to lose it when you read this, but I’d seriously suggest looking at other options...
if you head straight to Narcotics Anonymous, they’re just going to push methadone or some kind of blocker on you, and honestly, it feels like a wash—it's all the same thing, right?
Instead, look into joining a recovery community. That way, you actually have a real shot at getting clean and being there for your kid full-time. I know you might be thinking that's out of the question, but do you really want your child growing up watching their mom struggle with addiction and eventually following in those same footsteps?...

I truly think it's worth considering....

If you have any questions, just reach out..

See? People are already reaching out with ACTUAL help. 👍
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
299 messages
joined Apr 2016
#11 ·
I’m on the same page as Steven Lopez19 regarding methadone... under no circumstances should you attempt to tackle addiction that way.
Working in healthcare gives you a front-row seat to what "detoxing" on methadone actually looks like. It’s essentially just swapping one dependency for another, and even then, the dosage often isn't enough to take the edge off, so people end up supplementing with other stuff anyway. I know individuals who have been on methadone for fifteen years now—which is about as much "recovery" as you can call it.👎 They have absolutely zero intention of ever trying to quit without it.

Look, you know you don't have any other choice but to give this everything you've got if you want to get clean from this mess. You need to be able to breathe normally again so you can actually provide for that child. That kid deserves nothing but the best, especially given the circumstances—having a mother struggling with addiction and a father in prison... honestly, Child Protective Services is going to be all over that situation. As much as you think you're doing what's best for them right now, you aren't being objective.

If you can't pull this off on your own—and let's be real, you probably can't because someone needs to look after the kid while you're crashing through withdrawal—then either check into a rehab facility or, if you insist on trying solo, find someone trustworthy, like a parent or whoever else, to watch the child until you've found some stability.
I'm not sure what other concrete advice I could possibly offer you.😕
Carol Barrett Carol Barrett Newcomer
2 messages
joined Jun 2007
#12 ·
Ask yourself a few questions:

How much do you truly love yourself?
How much do you love your son?
Do you even want to get clean?
Why did you choose to have a child?
What is your purpose for living?
What is the actual cost of your addiction?
What do you gain when you are high?
And what are you losing in exchange?

Do the math. You aren't just your past; you are also your present and your future. You can't change what happened, but the future is yours to shape. It is entirely in your hands.

I hope you find enough clarity to make the right choice. The right choice for you, and for your child.
Sam Hall15 Sam Hall15 Active Member
225 messages
joined May 2006
#13 ·
I would suggest looking into a residential rehab facility, because I don't believe a child should have to witness their mother going through withdrawal or the various emotional highs and lows that follow... It’s going to be difficult since you'll feel so disconnected from your little one at first, but just imagine if things spiral out of control and you end up hurting your child because of the drugs... If residential care isn't an option for you, then I recommend acute psychiatric care until the crisis passes, followed by outpatient treatment at Narcotics Anonymous... If you want to keep custody, you need to endure the withdrawal process without using methadone or any opioid derivatives; that isn't the standard approach, but if you want to be strong for your child, you will manage... Otherwise, if you find yourself unable to cope—don't take this personally—but custody should probably go to your grandmother, because regardless of how much you think you can balance motherhood and addiction, you simply cannot
ps. Why are people typing in all caps? It's impolite according to the forum rules, and the moderators will eventually delete your posts, at the very least
Benjamin Lee5 Benjamin Lee5 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jun 2007
#14 ·
slywolf45 said:I’m on the same page as Steven Lopez19 regarding methadone... under no circumstances should you attempt to tackle addiction that way.
Working in healthcare gives you a front-row seat to what "detoxing" on methadone actually looks like. It’s essentially just swapping one dependency for another, and even then, the dosage often isn't enough to take the edge off, so people end up supplementing with other stuff anyway. I know individuals who have been on methadone for fifteen years now—which is about as much "recovery" as you can call it.👎 They have absolutely zero intention of ever trying to quit without it.

Look, you know you don't have any other choice but to give this everything you've got if you want to get clean from this mess. You need to be able to breathe normally again so you can actually provide for that child. That kid deserves nothing but the best, especially given the circumstances—having a mother struggling with addiction and a father in prison... honestly, Child Protective Services is going to be all over that situation. As much as you think you're doing what's best for them right now, you aren't being objective.

If you can't pull this off on your own—and let's be real, you probably can't because someone needs to look after the kid while you're crashing through withdrawal—then either check into a rehab facility or, if you insist on trying solo, find someone trustworthy, like a parent or whoever else, to watch the child until you've found some stability.
I'm not sure what other concrete advice I could possibly offer you.😕

The idea that methadone "cures" addiction is a total misconception.
It isn't some magic pill that just makes your addiction vanish.

Methadone is really meant for opioid users who, for whatever reason, can't manage total abstinence right away. The goal is to pull them out of the illegal market and get them into a controlled environment. Once they are stabilized under medical supervision (within whatever limits they are comfortable with), the hope is to eventually build up the mental strength and willpower needed to pursue full sobriety.

Addiction is brutal, and honestly, not everyone is strong enough or mentally prepared to handle total abstinence immediately.

So, saying methadone doesn't help is just wrong. It does its job, which is keeping people in a managed, safer setting.

And regarding rehab centers, I agree too... it’s a solid option if there's a chance your son can go with you. Especially since you mentioned you don't have many deep ties to the local area—just a few friends and a social circle you wouldn't want to leave behind.
Ryan Ruiz Ryan Ruiz Member
49 messages
joined Dec 2002
#15 ·
I really think your absolute top priority needs to be getting clean. No matter how much of a loving or responsible mother you are, the system isn't going to let someone struggling with addiction raise a child. You have to get rid of the drugs—both for your own sake and for the well-being of your baby.
I once met a girl who had spent six years in rehab, and she’s currently three months pregnant. She fought incredibly hard to get sober, which meant walking away from her old crowd entirely and moving out of the neighborhood where everything first started for her. She realized pretty quickly that if she didn't make a change, her life was headed for total ruin.
I suspect you already know this deep down, but now you have an extra layer of motivation that is incredibly powerful. You might want to look into joining a local recovery community; a lot of people swear by them, and even the folks on this forum suggest it, but if you go that route, you really have to stick to their rules.
Just keep in mind that both your future and your child's destiny depend entirely on your decision to get sober.
Good luck 😘
slywolf45 slywolf45 Regular
299 messages
joined Apr 2016
#16 ·
Benjamin Lee5 said:The idea that methadone "cures" addiction is a total misconception.
It isn't some magic pill that just makes your addiction vanish.

Methadone is really meant for opioid users who, for whatever reason, can't manage total abstinence right away. The goal is to pull them out of the illegal market and get them into a controlled environment. Once they are stabilized under medical supervision (within whatever limits they are comfortable with), the hope is to eventually build up the mental strength and willpower needed to pursue full sobriety.

Addiction is brutal, and honestly, not everyone is strong enough or mentally prepared to handle total abstinence immediately.

So, saying methadone doesn't help is just wrong. It does its job, which is keeping people in a managed, safer setting.

And regarding rehab centers, I agree too... it’s a solid option if there's a chance your son can go with you. Especially since you mentioned you don't have many deep ties to the local area—just a few friends and a social circle you wouldn't want to leave behind.

Hmm... I have to disagree on the methadone front. I see people in treatment every single day, and years go by without anyone actually getting clean. Some are swallowing thirty pills a day and still finding ways to inject heroin on the side.
So, in my view, forget the rehab centers. It's more like a "Turkey Baster" approach—you just have to ride out those first massive cravings, and then focus on manual labor.
Sam Hall15 Sam Hall15 Active Member
225 messages
joined May 2006
#17 ·
Both perspectives regarding methadone are valid... they serve their purpose, and many individuals using methadone manage to stop using heroin. However, the medication itself isn't the deciding factor; rather, it is the individual's genuine desire to recover... but successfully overcoming addiction is nearly impossible without making radical life changes. Continuing to live the same lifestyle, surrounded by the same social circles while relying on methadone, won't offer much relief because the pressure from both society and the addiction itself is simply too overwhelming. It often leads to temptation and, eventually, a relapse...
I would certainly recommend residential rehab programs above all else... during my work in psychiatry, we conducted exercises with people in those settings, and the results were transformative... there, treatment typically occurs without heavy medication, though non-addictive options are sometimes used 😁
brightgardener40 brightgardener40 Member
39 messages
joined Feb 2007
#18 ·
Look, there’s always a way out. Others have made it, so why shouldn't you? Plus, you've got your kid as motivation. It honestly feels cruel how social workers treat parents struggling with addiction compared to alcoholics—I'd bet most addicts are better parents than those folks get credit for. It comes down to choosing the right method. Some people can't handle rehab centers because they're terrified of the withdrawal pain. People who judge from the sidelines should just shut up; they don't have a clue what it's actually like. I know plenty of people who function perfectly fine on methadone. They use it as a tool, not an abuse. Of course, you'll always find people using methadone while still snorting heroin, but that’s a matter of willpower and wanting to get your life back on track. If you stick to reasonable doses and taper off, it works. Methadone lets you step away from the circles where everyone is just talking about how to score. That's why I won't put it on a pedestal of shame. Even when someone succeeds, that "addict" label sticks. Finding a job becomes a massive uphill battle. To me, that struggle is the hardest part—you have to work twice as hard just to prove yourself. In my eyes, the real heroes are the ones who actually manage to get clean.
George Ramirez11 George Ramirez11 NewcomerOP
7 messages
joined Jun 2007
#19 ·
I get it... I mean, I pretty much agree with most of you. I’ve tried methadone and actually finished the program maybe four or five times now, and honestly, I’m still stuck in this cycle—not because they didn't help me, but because once the treatment ends, I just don't know where to turn. There aren't any jobs out there for someone like me, people look at me like I’m something they stepped in, and I don't have any real friends left. It's tough.
As for those cult-like groups? I haven't personally gone down that road, but I've heard way too much about them. Back in the day, I had a thousand excuses to stay away—like, I’m not religious, or they’ll brainwash me, stuff like that. But lately, I can't really afford to make excuses. Almost everyone I know who went through one of those programs a few years ago—some even stayed longer than the actual program required just to volunteer—they actually made it. No one was giving them ultimatums or kicking them out on the street. And while some ended up getting sucked back in, others stayed clean for years after coming back.
The thing is, not everyone has the luxury of just packing up and moving to a different state to dodge everyone they know. And jobs... man, the last job I managed to land fell through completely because the police sent a subpoena to the director with my indictment attached. Talk about bad timing.
Then there’s Subutex, which I take occasionally now; it feels more like a buffer, and it doesn't seem to trigger that same addiction. What really gets me, though, is how hypocritical the government is. They want to dictate when I should get clean because I'm a "burden" to society, yet they offer zero help when it comes to finding work. In fact, it’s the opposite—state agencies won't even touch me because of my record, claiming "it's against policy." But then they have the nerve to demand I find a job because it's "what's best for me and my child." I live in an area where everyone knows everyone's business, and in this country, it is incredibly hard to find steady work as a single mom—especially if you have a history of addiction. Give me a break! Pfft!😕
Paul Perez Paul Perez Member
17 messages
joined Jun 2007
#20 ·
Hold on a second, I get everything you're saying, and look, I know former addicts deal with a massive amount of discrimination when they're trying to find work, but is the answer to shitty government support really just going back to using?

I mean, at the end of the day, this is your life and it's about your kid...

Isn't there any kind of job you can jump into right away? You sound smart and self-aware... surely there’s a way to retrain or even just go freelance... I don't know what you're into, but things like being a barber, a makeup artist, a tattoo artist, making jewelry, or photography... I'm just throwing stuff out there since I don't know you, but there HAS to be something where you don't have to walk around apologizing for your past.

Just try looking at this from a different angle for once.

Think about checking into a rehab center or a recovery program, and while you're doing okay, use that time to focus on retraining—if you need to, team up with someone else facing the same struggles and start a business together.

You actually learn stuff best when you're teaching it to someone else. Apply that logic here. Connect with people who need the same kind of help you do and tackle the problem TOGETHER. You can't just throw in the towel, not for yourself and definitely not for your kid.

Come on, let's hear some actual constructive ideas instead of all this "oh, woe is me" complaining. 😉

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