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coppergardener coppergardener Active Member
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joined Jun 2006
#41 ·
I honestly feel that if she wants to get ahead of things, she really ought to start preparing her application for the halfway house immediately—it isn't as if they just let you walk through those doors in forty-eight hours, after all. And frankly, without the child in the picture, she might actually have some breathing room to focus on herself during those initial, most difficult stages. Little one has Grandma to lean on, but even though he’s small, he is certainly going to sense the tension when Mom is struggling; children have this uncanny way of feeling the weight when a parent tries to force a reality that simply doesn't exist. It seems to me she needs to take a proactive stance against the things clearly spiraling out of control right now—why leave it for tomorrow? We can't truly know for certain (and neither will she until things hit the fan), but perhaps sa her husband will find himself having less space to maneuver. As for this notion of "functioning normally" while using drugs... well, that's a complete joke. Everyone knows that state of being is unsustainable, and this "normalcy" is nothing more than a facade—a mere illusion. It isn't a life, and it certainly isn't who she really is.
Alexander Lewis Alexander Lewis Member
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#42 ·
Let’s get one thing straight: I have nothing but contempt for drugs.
To me, this whole social services situation feels like pure state-sponsored fascism—just total government overreach at the individual level. If a woman is functioning perfectly fine and taking care of her child, where on earth does the state get the authority to harass her with intrusive inspections and constant threats? Honestly, this is just another reason why people are opting out of parenthood: you can't raise a family when you're constantly dodging state terror.
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
276 messages
joined Dec 2007
#43 ·
Alexander Lewis said:Let’s get one thing straight: I have nothing but contempt for drugs.
To me, this whole social services situation feels like pure state-sponsored fascism—just total government overreach at the individual level. If a woman is functioning perfectly fine and taking care of her child, where on earth does the state get the authority to harass her with intrusive inspections and constant threats? Honestly, this is just another reason why people are opting out of parenthood: you can't raise a family when you're constantly dodging state terror.

Exactly!

I hear that in America, they might soon make high school mandatory!!

How can you even force someone to do something.
The legal essence should be that you're only at fault, or subject to a penalty, when you actually harm someone else—or rather, infringe on someone else's freedom.
So what now, people don't even have the right to be stupid anymore?
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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#44 ·
So, because her husband is behind bars, you think she doesn't need more space?
Honestly, if even the husband is struggling, then things are pretty rough. But as long as they’re willing to provide everything a child needs—especially love, which is what matters most—nobody has any right to interfere or take their kids away.

That is just plain cruel!
quiethound45 quiethound45 Active Member
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joined Nov 2006
#45 ·
What kind of mother are you going to be once you're gone?
It’s an obvious reality—nobody survives heroin long-term. The only way to survive is to get clean.
What is your little boy going to think about his mother when he finds out? He will find out one day. It’s inevitable.
And what is all this junk actually for? To feel "normal"? I feel that way every single day—and honestly, it's not worth it. Between the cost, the constant pressure, the debts, hunting for a fix, the needles, and all the other bullshit that comes with trying to maintain that version of "normal"... it's just not worth it.
Get rid of it, no matter how hard it gets. Give the kid back to his family and go into rehab.
In two or three years, that child is going to need someone he can actually rely on.
Things can't work like this. You have to realize that until you make a change, absolutely nobody is going to be able to help you.
Oh, and one more thing—if you don't get clean, they’ll take him away from you anyway. But it doesn't matter, because you're already losing him every single day. If you do change, maybe he'll actually find someone who stays around to see his high school prom, his first girlfriend, or his wedding...

Just think about it—everything depends on you. No one else, just you.
The choice is yours. Only yours.
If you choose indifference, you're choosing ruin for your son.
If you choose to fight this, you're choosing life—firstly for yourself, and then for him too.
Your child deserves more than a mother struggling with addiction and a father involved in crime... and when he eventually realizes that, it might be too late.
Take action.
Good luck.🙂
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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joined Dec 2007
#46 ·
My posts might not be perfect, but I'm sure they aren't helping her situation one bit.

I won't pretend to have all the answers, but why not at least try to move past stereotypes like being a criminal or an addict? Try to imagine what it’s actually like to live with someone on heroin.

Sure, it's a bit of an unconventional family, but I wouldn't call it much more than just being "unconventional."

quiethound45 said:What kind of mother are you going to be once you're gone?
It’s an obvious reality—nobody survives heroin long-term. The only way to survive is to get clean.
What is your little boy going to think about his mother when he finds out? He will find out one day. It’s inevitable.
And what is all this junk actually for? To feel "normal"? I feel that way every single day—and honestly, it's not worth it. Between the cost, the constant pressure, the debts, hunting for a fix, the needles, and all the other bullshit that comes with trying to maintain that version of "normal"... it's just not worth it.
Get rid of it, no matter how hard it gets. Give the kid back to his family and go into rehab.
In two or three years, that child is going to need someone he can actually rely on.
Things can't work like this. You have to realize that until you make a change, absolutely nobody is going to be able to help you.
Oh, and one more thing—if you don't get clean, they’ll take him away from you anyway. But it doesn't matter, because you're already losing him every single day. If you do change, maybe he'll actually find someone who stays around to see his high school prom, his first girlfriend, or his wedding...

Just think about it—everything depends on you. No one else, just you.
The choice is yours. Only yours.
If you choose indifference, you're choosing ruin for your son.
If you choose to fight this, you're choosing life—firstly for yourself, and then for him too.
Your child deserves more than a mother struggling with addiction and a father involved in crime... and when he eventually realizes that, it might be too late.
Take action.
Good luck.🙂
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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#47 ·
@quiethound45,

Even in paradise, you’re bound to run into some rot...
Are we even human...?
Are we really people...?

That is exactly my point. What should be "taken away" from people who act like that? If I may ask, are their children being taken from them? Do they even have a right to a family or a "normal" life?
And if they do, what's the problem?
Who among us is actually blind here?

That mother struggling with addiction uses drugs because she actually feels things—things that hurt her—unlike those people in the video who feel nothing and understand nothing.
She might not live long, but I am certain she won't teach her kids any of the nonsense shown in that video!
feraldriver8 feraldriver8 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2007
#48 ·
George Ramirez11 said:🙂 I'm a single mom to a wonderful two-year-old. That’s just the reality of things—my husband has been in prison for a year and a half now, and he'll be there for at least another year, maybe two more at most.
My struggle with heroin goes back about ten years. My little boy has everything he needs and then some; I honestly just adore him. I’ve never neglected him, though—to be fair, drugs don't even hit me the way they used to, so I don't really know where I stand with myself anymore. When I'm home, I'm just... normal. Even when I'm crashing, I haven't let it stop me from playing with my kid and giving him my full attention. If it comes down to it, the last cent I have is always spent on him if he needs something, never on getting high. I don't really have a social life, no shady characters hanging around the house, and I hardly ever go out. Maybe once a month, after I've finally gotten him to sleep, I'll sneak a hit somewhere, but even then, I'm glued to my phone just in case my mom calls because the little guy woke up. Long story short, I have one happy, hyperactive, giggly, playful kid who is just as head-over-heels for me as I am for him. When I actually have to leave the house for something, my mom (who lives with us) and I put on this whole little performance to distract him so he doesn't freak out. Otherwise, his crying just breaks me.
So, here's the thing. Two months ago, the police kicked our door down. They got a tip that I was dealing. They searched the place and found absolutely nothing, but—of course—they still managed to bring a caseworker from Child Protective Services right to my doorstep. Now I'm under supervision. These days, I'm basically signing away my rights (whether I want to or not) to comply with the oversight, and the whole process is starting...
Basically, the caseworker is going to contact me once a week to check if the kid is fed, clean, and all that. I can handle that part, but the other part is the problem. They’re going to drug test me whenever they feel like it. If I test positive, I lose custody. I won't say I'll lose my child, since custody would just go to my mother—whom I see and visit all the time anyway—but... still. I want to be a mother to my son. I don't know if people who haven't dealt with addiction can even wrap their heads around this. Even when the stakes are this high, I just can't seem to help myself. I guess I just don't have the willpower or the strength or whatever else it takes to stay clean for those few days needed to pass a test. I know I'm a good mom—honestly, better than a lot of them—but I don't know how to handle this. Losing custody isn't an option. Neither my son nor I would survive it.
How do I stay clean? Just to start—just to get through those first few days to pass the tests—and then we'll figure out the rest. I know I have to get rid of the drugs regardless of all this drama.
I'm not sure if any advice will actually help, but I know some support from people who actually understand the truth of this situation would go a long way...
Thanks.

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Anthony Bailey3 Anthony Bailey3 Newcomer
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#49 ·
This isn't just about Teenah—it’s not just about her addiction, her health, or her life—it’s about a tiny, innocent life that deserves parental love and actual happiness. That won't happen if Teenah keeps spiraling. That's not an opinion, it's a reality—let's not kid ourselves here. Whether she felt "fine" while on horse or not, her body, soul, and mind are essentially prisoners, rotting away at high speed.
I really hope you find the strength to fight this, because I know you want what's best for your child—you want to be there, to love them—but you have to want what's best for yourself too, and horse has zero place in a long-term plan. Given that you've been struggling with addiction for ten years, you should consider yourself lucky the little one was born healthy—and for them to stay that way, they need a healthy mother.
Deep down, looking into those eyes, you surely realize what needs to happen next... I just hope you can actually pull it off. The battle is inevitable—against yourself, against the world—but that little soul you're carrying is worth every bit of it. Don't let yourself become nothing more than a faded memory in a photo album.
I honestly don't know if any of the posts on this forum can truly help...
Just please, don't be too afraid to reach out for help!
Nathan Martin29 Nathan Martin29 Newcomer
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#50 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:
I'm just here to listen and contribute where I can. Hope everyone is having a good one. Noah Sanchez7 says:
Look, Noah Sanchez7, I’m honestly thinking about reporting you for being completely out of line—especially since one of your posts here was already wiped. I managed to catch a glimpse of it before it vanished, and I really hope that girl isn't actually following your lead. But, I don't want to be a jerk; I believe everyone should have the right to speak their mind, and censoring people feels pretty undemocratic. Anyway, getting straight to the point: I see you popping up on the psychology forums from time to time. I’m not around here nearly as much as you are, so I haven't read a million of your posts, but...
It seems like you might be dealing with some personal issues, and while I won't pry into your mental health—that's none of my business—you come across as a bit burnt out. Please don't take this personally, but it’s evident in the way you communicate. You tend to over-abstract and generalize your advice, which can really mislead someone who is already feeling lost and desperate for clarity. You try to rationalize everything, but your high-energy rhetoric is often too ambiguous. Even when you're right, your posts end up being unintentionally unconstructive. You seem like a bright person, but the way you frame your thoughts makes your advice difficult to actually use. Psychologically dangerous..
We probably wouldn't all be calling each other out if we didn't mess around during serious discussions, but I don't think there's any room for jokes or emojis when it comes to this. That child shouldn't have to grow up watching their mother struggle through an overdose or die because they can't afford their next fix. And she doesn't deserve to be misled by quick fixes that only drag her deeper into the hole. No one can force someone to change if they aren't ready—let's hope she finds her way—but plenty of people have made it out of rehab and rebuilt their lives. It takes grit, it takes setbacks, and it takes time. Recovery is brutal and messy; it’s two steps forward and three steps back, which I'm sure you understand. We need constructive support here, not defeatism.

I respect your candid take, and I agree that sometimes I "lose it" too. But I only do that when I feel like it’s the only way to make things work if all else fails.
I have to admit, I’m stepping off the high horse here because I completely get where she’s coming from. Maybe not entirely—I'm younger and don't have kids yet—but I'm definitely watching this whole "adulting" thing from the sidelines, noticing all the cracks in the system.
It honestly bothers me how many people have weighed in on this thread, mostly because I see the whole issue through a different lens. It feels like we’ve reached an era where society is finally moving past discrimination against groups like Black Americans or the LGBTQ+ community. But what about addicts?
Nobody even asks, and nobody cares. They just toss them onto the floor like old rags, leaving them with absolutely no room to live a decent life.
I find that completely unacceptable, especially since more than half the people here can't even function without xanax and other anti-anxiety meds.
What? What’s the difference?
And don't even get me started on alcoholism.

Just my honest opinion—and maybe this sounds a bit trivial—but I think she should let her grandmother handle the paperwork for a while. It might give her some breathing room, especially while her husband is still serving his sentence. She’s already dealing with so much right now, and honestly, there isn't any realistic way for her to get everything sorted out at this moment.
Or even better, since she needs some kind of "program" to follow, she should just enroll in a treatment plan using Suboxone or something similar. I really hope that doesn't result in CPS stepping in to take the kids.
Because if he keeps this up, he’s going to start falling apart in the most literal sense, and he won't have any moves left to make.
I'm aware of that.

Exactly. And then it turns out: she’s a young woman going through menopause! 🙄
Steven Lopez19 Steven Lopez19 Member
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joined Jun 2007
#51 ·
Sam Hall15 said:I was under the impression that a guardian angel stays for six months...
In my view, everyone participates in prayer, without exception...
From what I understand, the communes that have proven most successful are those with a religious foundation... and based on the experiences of those recovering, they often say that prayer was precisely what helped them the most.

It’s three months... (I know because I have two close friends currently in there)
You don't *have* to pray... but while everyone else is praying, you're busy working... (and honestly, if you spend all your time working while the others are praying, you might end up being the one stuck doing all the heavy lifting when they eventually become the majority)
If everyone's agreeing that prayer was their biggest help...
Steven Lopez19 Steven Lopez19 Member
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#52 ·
And what about the addicts???
Nobody asks about them and nobody advocates for them either; they just toss them onto the street like trash, leaving them zero chance at a decent life.

Look who’s talking about how nobody stands up for them...
If someone actually ran up to you offering help... if you were honest and actually wanted it, you’d see it isn’t quite like what you’re claiming...
I don't hate addicts, but I hate what they've chosen to become and the way they consciously wreck their own lives while refusing to help themselves...
Every day I’d see addicts who couldn't even hold a conversation because they were so high on heroin; they couldn't even keep their spit in their mouths, just constant drooling...
And the end result was him and his mother—who was in the exact same boat—lying there with a newborn... who pays the bills? There was one potato in the fridge...
So tell me now, who am I supposed to feel sorry for? I felt for that baby... I couldn't wrap my head around them. Their grandparents ended up taking the child away...
They took them to Sakoman a hundred times... they tried every therapy under the sun, even those blockbusters... and you know what happened? It didn't work. The craving was just too strong...
Then came the moment when the debts piled up (they sold half their stuff, thousands in unpaid bills... the parents finally split them up. First, the cousin agreed to go into rehab because he had no other choice...
As for the young lady, she kept using secretly for another 6 months while pretending to go to detox (the old folks believed her and kept giving her money), so when everything finally blew up, things got ugly for her too, and now she’s stuck in rehab herself...
The kid is wonderful, though. After 4 months, he went to join his mom in rehab, and that's where they are now...
Come on people, addiction is a disease, sure, but it's a disease that can be treated. So put in some actual effort instead of just whining about how society won't accept you...
quiethound45 quiethound45 Active Member
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joined Nov 2006
#53 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:@quiethound45,

Even in paradise, you’re bound to run into some rot...
Are we even human...?
Are we really people...?

That is exactly my point. What should be "taken away" from people who act like that? If I may ask, are their children being taken from them? Do they even have a right to a family or a "normal" life?
And if they do, what's the problem?
Who among us is actually blind here?

That mother struggling with addiction uses drugs because she actually feels things—things that hurt her—unlike those people in the video who feel nothing and understand nothing.
She might not live long, but I am certain she won't teach her kids any of the nonsense shown in that video!

Come on, you're making excuses for them now...
Drug use (especially hard drugs) has never been good, positive, normal, or acceptable.
For one simple reason: those people are killing themselves. Slowly, maybe, but they are.
If they want to throw their lives away, that's on them.
It's just another group of ruined, broken lives resulting from their own stupidity and weakness...
But the child isn't at fault in any of this. 😠
quiethound45 quiethound45 Active Member
96 messages
joined Nov 2006
#54 ·
Steven Lopez19 said:And what about the addicts???
Nobody asks about them and nobody advocates for them either; they just toss them onto the street like trash, leaving them zero chance at a decent life.

Look who’s talking about how nobody stands up for them...
If someone actually ran up to you offering help... if you were honest and actually wanted it, you’d see it isn’t quite like what you’re claiming...
I don't hate addicts, but I hate what they've chosen to become and the way they consciously wreck their own lives while refusing to help themselves...
Every day I’d see addicts who couldn't even hold a conversation because they were so high on heroin; they couldn't even keep their spit in their mouths, just constant drooling...
And the end result was him and his mother—who was in the exact same boat—lying there with a newborn... who pays the bills? There was one potato in the fridge...
So tell me now, who am I supposed to feel sorry for? I felt for that baby... I couldn't wrap my head around them. Their grandparents ended up taking the child away...
They took them to Sakoman a hundred times... they tried every therapy under the sun, even those blockbusters... and you know what happened? It didn't work. The craving was just too strong...
Then came the moment when the debts piled up (they sold half their stuff, thousands in unpaid bills... the parents finally split them up. First, the cousin agreed to go into rehab because he had no other choice...
As for the young lady, she kept using secretly for another 6 months while pretending to go to detox (the old folks believed her and kept giving her money), so when everything finally blew up, things got ugly for her too, and now she’s stuck in rehab herself...
The kid is wonderful, though. After 4 months, he went to join his mom in rehab, and that's where they are now...
Come on people, addiction is a disease, sure, but it's a disease that can be treated. So put in some actual effort instead of just whining about how society won't accept you...

I agree..

And let's be clear—I'm not judging someone using recreationally as long as they're in control, but we all know what happens when the substance takes over.🙄
I've seen enough to feel sick about it myself...👎
It just destroys everything in its path.👎
George Jackson5 George Jackson5 Member
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joined Apr 2007
#55 ·
You don't have a choice—you just have to get clean. After a month, it won't feel quite as brutal. But you absolutely have to change your environment... make it so you can't even get near it anymore. You mentioned you don't have much of a social circle, but you're still going to have to buy from someone—so move away from the people who make it easy for you to access drugs. My advice for detoxing? Drink a ton of tea—like, one to three liters a day—as long as you're feeling crappy.
And look, Child Protective Services is going to be breathing down your neck for a long time, but if you actually want to keep your kid, you need to get sober. Once you've been clean for a few years, they'll finally get off your back.
Good luck.
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
276 messages
joined Dec 2007
#56 ·
quiethound45 said:Come on, you're making excuses for them now...
Drug use (especially hard drugs) has never been good, positive, normal, or acceptable.
For one simple reason: those people are killing themselves. Slowly, maybe, but they are.
If they want to throw their lives away, that's on them.
It's just another group of ruined, broken lives resulting from their own stupidity and weakness...
But the child isn't at fault in any of this. 😠

How can you not get that an addict has the right to be an addict and destroy themselves if they choose to.
It's their life, and it's their choice.
Am I in the same "mess" as you? Yeah, I am.
And you know what? I'm checking out now, and I'll go through rehab just so I can stop being a burden on my family. Once I feel like myself again, I'll just go right back to it and use until the day I die.

Because to me, a straight life is just as much of a disaster, so I might as well just swap one disaster for another..
Anthony Bailey3 Anthony Bailey3 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2007
#57 ·
Up, there are parallels between teenah’s situation and yours—but let’s not mistake them for being identical.
Sure, she has the right to choose, but that choice comes with a massive weight of responsibility—she already made the call to carry this child despite her addiction, and thank God the baby is healthy. Now, if that kid has to watch their mother slowly fade away... in ten years, they might grow up thinking their mother didn't love them enough because she chose death over living for them. That is devastating—nobody deserves that...
The decision belongs to teenah; we can only influence things so much, if at all. If I could say anything, I’d try to nudge her toward choosing a life free from Horse instead of facing a slow, agonizing decline toward death—which is just an inevitable fact here—especially since it seems like she actually wants to live for her child.
And your situation is your own choice too... picking the lesser of two evils, as you put it.
Personally, the idea of being a slave to addiction is terrifying—I actively fight that urge to chase a "sensation seeking" high just to numb my brain for a few hours and get some rest... But when the comedown hits, everything is still right where I left it... waiting for me...
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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joined Dec 2007
#58 ·
Anthony Bailey3 said:Up, there are parallels between teenah’s situation and yours—but let’s not mistake them for being identical.
Sure, she has the right to choose, but that choice comes with a massive weight of responsibility—she already made the call to carry this child despite her addiction, and thank God the baby is healthy. Now, if that kid has to watch their mother slowly fade away... in ten years, they might grow up thinking their mother didn't love them enough because she chose death over living for them. That is devastating—nobody deserves that...
The decision belongs to teenah; we can only influence things so much, if at all. If I could say anything, I’d try to nudge her toward choosing a life free from Horse instead of facing a slow, agonizing decline toward death—which is just an inevitable fact here—especially since it seems like she actually wants to live for her child.
And your situation is your own choice too... picking the lesser of two evils, as you put it.
Personally, the idea of being a slave to addiction is terrifying—I actively fight that urge to chase a "sensation seeking" high just to numb my brain for a few hours and get some rest... But when the comedown hits, everything is still right where I left it... waiting for me...

How many mothers walk away from their kids without being addicts? For instance, my brother's mother (on his dad's side) just flat-out abandoned him when he was three.
And how many families deal with deaths that leave a child without one or both parents?
Take my father, for example. He passed away from natural causes when I was 14. He was a casual drinker, too. Maybe that wasn't the cause, maybe it was. Even if it was, I’d be a total idiot to hate him or blame him for it.
Was alcohol more important to him than me?
What a stupid, selfish question that is!!
I love him exactly as he was, and I'll always remember him as a good man.
Actually, I'm starting to think that good people just tend to leave us sooner; it kind of makes sense.

Secondly, what's the point of all these anxiolytics and antidepressants? You say you're scared of addiction and the "high," but I have to ask: if those medications aren't that, then what are they?
I don't know if you take them, but plenty of people do.
People will argue, "Oh, that's different!" >> No, it isn't. It's the same thing, if anything, it's worse.
Ustanes, and like Dubravka would say, you "pop an antidepressant" and head out into the world >> feeling happy because you think that pill is going to fix the obvious misery inside you >> and you tell yourself, "Yeah, now I'm finally normal!"

Fuck that.
There is life and there is death. The world celebrates life and tells you to "put a smile on your face," even when nothing is funny. And then, the poor individual realizes it was much easier to
fake it through the cracks, ending up in an even deeper darkness just because they were trying to be positive.
Anthony Bailey3 Anthony Bailey3 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2007
#59 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:How many mothers walk away from their kids without being addicts? For instance, my brother's mother (on his dad's side) just flat-out abandoned him when he was three.
And how many families deal with deaths that leave a child without one or both parents?
Take my father, for example. He passed away from natural causes when I was 14. He was a casual drinker, too. Maybe that wasn't the cause, maybe it was. Even if it was, I’d be a total idiot to hate him or blame him for it.
Was alcohol more important to him than me?
What a stupid, selfish question that is!!
I love him exactly as he was, and I'll always remember him as a good man.
Actually, I'm starting to think that good people just tend to leave us sooner; it kind of makes sense.

Secondly, what's the point of all these anxiolytics and antidepressants? You say you're scared of addiction and the "high," but I have to ask: if those medications aren't that, then what are they?
I don't know if you take them, but plenty of people do.
People will argue, "Oh, that's different!" >> No, it isn't. It's the same thing, if anything, it's worse.
Ustanes, and like Dubravka would say, you "pop an antidepressant" and head out into the world >> feeling happy because you think that pill is going to fix the obvious misery inside you >> and you tell yourself, "Yeah, now I'm finally normal!"

Fuck that.
There is life and there is death. The world celebrates life and tells you to "put a smile on your face," even when nothing is funny. And then, the poor individual realizes it was much easier to
fake it through the cracks, ending up in an even deeper darkness just because they were trying to be positive.

Why hide the fact that heroin addiction significantly shortens your life... you know exactly how and why... why lie to yourself?
If you're feeling fatalistic, why assume teenah is too?

Both you and teenah have a choice regarding whether or not you die from this. I'm not defending you, and I'm not defending her either.... I'm just saying that kind of choice carries consequences for others—in this case, falling on the shoulders of a two-year-old whose father is in prison... Because at that age, I lost a parent too. And I'll carry a hole in my heart until I die because I don't have a single memory I can hold onto. Why would I want that child to go through the same thing?

For the record, I took Paxil for two weeks (it didn't even kick in), Xanax for 4 months, and I haven't touched an anxiolytic since last November. For heaven's sake, I stay away from drugs in general; I am extremely skeptical about long-term use and mixing psychotropic meds, and I really don't appreciate your sarcastic insinuations about it—I don't see why they're directed at my post.

EDIT: One more thing... I don't see how the first part of your post has anything to do with teenah's situation... She is a woman who, I believe, knows exactly what she wants, she just doesn't know if she has the strength to fight for it. Your late father, as you wrote, wasn't an alcoholic... so where is the parallel with teenah?

I've had enough of these offensive-defensive posts on this forum... It's how everything turns into an ego battle between two people when dealing with someone else's serious problems.
If this topic turns into another one of those, I'm announcing right now that I'm done posting here. I don't want to provoke anyone, and that wasn't my intention.

teenah, once again, I wish you and your child nothing but happiness and living memories of each other... all the best!
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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@Ciara, if you felt targeted or anything like that, then you really don't get where I'm coming from.

My whole point isn't that I have an issue with people taking anxiolytics, antidepressants, xanax, or whatever else—but I also don't have an issue with someone using heroin. My main point is specifically that those who rely on prescription meds shouldn't be judging addicts, because at the end of the day, they're both just dealing with dependency.

Furthermore, I want to prove that a person has the right to be vulnerable, the right to try to help themselves, and the right to do so on their own terms without needing a doctor's permission.

I also want to show that for some people, addiction is a life path they've chosen, not just some tragic mistake. You don't have to respect that choice, but you shouldn't judge it either.
Someone choosing the "path of least resistance" might be viewed as "lesser" on some moral hierarchy compared to someone taking the "hard road"—which we could call the righteous path—but that doesn't give anyone the right to condemn or cast them aside. We aren't living in the Middle Ages,
or in a society based on slavery.

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Here’s a simple example: Did you know that under certain laws here in the US, you can actually face up to a year in prison just for growing a single plant in your garden? One single plant!!
Now I ask you, how does that hold up against common sense?
Who actually has the authority to arrest me just because I'm growing a plant in my backyard, even if I plan to smoke it later?

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