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Participants Richard Murphy6Nancy Thompson3Noah Sanchez7wearyowl29Richard Carter4mistybisonelectricpanther4Nicholas Peterson39steeleagle13slyorca62Sean Martinez4bluemason3ambereagle642Jerry CruzNoah King2Jamie Petersonbluebison70driftingraven122Casey Jackson17Hannah Thompson2Emily RuizPeter Flores67Acopperseal8 …
Sean Martinez4 Sean Martinez4 Active Member
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#81 ·
Peter Flores67 said:Yo Q, how's it hanging?
What even is this?
You just gonna ghost me now?

Doing great now, really! Glad to see you guys again. 😈 👍
Peter Flores67 Peter Flores67 Member
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#82 ·
Sean Martinez4 said:Doing great now, really! Glad to see you guys again. 😈 👍


Catch ya later.👍
Hannah Thompson2 Hannah Thompson2 Active Member
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#83 ·
Sean Martinez4 said:I guess an average person is just someone who doesn't care about holistic awareness or even wants to. ☕
Am I a sinner? If I'm not, then what? And if I am, so what?

(I am)(I am not)=0 😬

Translation:
I'm a sinner, man. Exactly! image
I'm not a sinner. Exactly! image
I'm both a sinner and not a sinner. Exactly! image
I'm neither a sinner nor not a sinner. Exactly! image

Maybe that quadripolar Eastern female Yin logic is just better than the Western male Yang bipolar style of saying "it either is or it isn't."
It's got more dimensions, so it's probably better, right? 😍
Think of it this way in a Christian sense: (Satan)(God)=the exact same thing=0

So, what exactly is this "holistic consciousness" supposed to be?

Sean Martinez4 said:I guess an average person is just someone who doesn't care about holistic awareness or even wants to. ☕
Am I a sinner? If I'm not, then what? And if I am, so what?

(I am)(I am not)=0 😬

Translation:
I'm a sinner, man. Exactly! image
I'm not a sinner. Exactly! image
I'm both a sinner and not a sinner. Exactly! image
I'm neither a sinner nor not a sinner. Exactly! image

Maybe that quadripolar Eastern female Yin logic is just better than the Western male Yang bipolar style of saying "it either is or it isn't."
It's got more dimensions, so it's probably better, right? 😍
Think of it this way in a Christian sense: (Satan)(God)=the exact same thing=0

Give me an answer first, then I'll tell you "what then."

Sean Martinez4 said:I guess an average person is just someone who doesn't care about holistic awareness or even wants to. ☕
Am I a sinner? If I'm not, then what? And if I am, so what?

(I am)(I am not)=0 😬

Translation:
I'm a sinner, man. Exactly! image
I'm not a sinner. Exactly! image
I'm both a sinner and not a sinner. Exactly! image
I'm neither a sinner nor not a sinner. Exactly! image

Maybe that quadripolar Eastern female Yin logic is just better than the Western male Yang bipolar style of saying "it either is or it isn't."
It's got more dimensions, so it's probably better, right? 😍
Think of it this way in a Christian sense: (Satan)(God)=the exact same thing=0

Do you actually believe in good and evil?
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#84 ·
Sean Martinez4 said:I guess an average person is just someone who doesn't care about holistic awareness or even wants to. ☕
Am I a sinner? If I'm not, then what? And if I am, so what?

(I am)(I am not)=0 😬

Translation:
I'm a sinner, man. Exactly! image
I'm not a sinner. Exactly! image
I'm both a sinner and not a sinner. Exactly! image
I'm neither a sinner nor not a sinner. Exactly! image

Maybe that quadripolar Eastern female Yin logic is just better than the Western male Yang bipolar style of saying "it either is or it isn't."
It's got more dimensions, so it's probably better, right? 😍
Think of it this way in a Christian sense: (Satan)(God)=the exact same thing=0

People in the East never mistook nonsense for logic.
The West actually understands fuzzy logic, which isn't just black and white—it's an entire spectrum of states in between.

The problem starts when someone tries to pass off their own confusion as "logic."

Go learn some actual BASIC or another programming language; coding logic will force you to finally straighten out that messy mind of yours.
Sean Martinez4 Sean Martinez4 Active Member
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#85 ·
I tried calling out that idiot, but the mods just nuked my post. I guess they can answer for him then 🙂
Hannah Thompson2 Hannah Thompson2 Active Member
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#86 ·
Sean Martinez4 said:I tried calling out that idiot, but the mods just nuked my post. I guess they can answer for him then 🙂

What exactly makes me "dim"?

On a separate note—and this isn't even about the actual debate—it seems you lack that certain sense of humor most people bring to this Spirituality subforum.
Sean Martinez4 Sean Martinez4 Active Member
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#87 ·
I mean, you're just stuck, and your consciousness isn't even really yours—it’s just been programmed. ☕
A truly spiritual person doesn't get hung up on ideologies defined by nouns like "God" or "the sun." 👍
Hannah Thompson2 Hannah Thompson2 Active Member
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#88 ·
Sean Martinez4 said:I mean, you're just stuck, and your consciousness isn't even really yours—it’s just been programmed. ☕
A truly spiritual person doesn't get hung up on ideologies defined by nouns like "God" or "the sun." 👍

What makes you think I'm "closed-minded" or that my own consciousness doesn't exist?

Sean Martinez4 said:I mean, you're just stuck, and your consciousness isn't even really yours—it’s just been programmed. ☕
A truly spiritual person doesn't get hung up on ideologies defined by nouns like "God" or "the sun." 👍

How can you be so sure about that? Did you just read that somewhere? I agree that there shouldn't be an ideology attached, but I get the feeling you think God has nothing to do with spirituality—am I hitting close to home there?
Sean Martinez4 Sean Martinez4 Active Member
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#89 ·
Hannah Thompson2 said:What makes you think I'm "closed-minded" or that my own consciousness doesn't exist?

How can you be so sure about that? Did you just read that somewhere? I agree that there shouldn't be an ideology attached, but I get the feeling you think God has nothing to do with spirituality—am I hitting close to home there?

Honestly, thinking is just too damn hard. 😍

How can you be so sure? Did you just read that somewhere or what? I agree there isn't much ideology involved, but I'm guessing you think God has nothing to do with spirituality, right?

WHAT IS GOD? (see signature)
Hannah Thompson2 Hannah Thompson2 Active Member
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#90 ·
Sean Martinez4 said:Honestly, thinking is just too damn hard. 😍

How can you be so sure? Did you just read that somewhere or what? I agree there isn't much ideology involved, but I'm guessing you think God has nothing to do with spirituality, right?

WHAT IS GOD? (see signature)

Care to elaborate? Are you actually implying that I'm just "clueless"?

Sean Martinez4 said:Honestly, thinking is just too damn hard. 😍

How can you be so sure? Did you just read that somewhere or what? I agree there isn't much ideology involved, but I'm guessing you think God has nothing to do with spirituality, right?

WHAT IS GOD? (see signature)

God simply is what He is—it’s just that everyone’s knowledge and perception of Him varies.

It’s honestly a bit sad that your perspective is like this. Just so we're clear, I don't think people who haven't experienced God are "bad"—take Buddhists, for example. They don't worship God, yet they have plenty of positive values (striving for spirituality, growing personally, letting go of worldly desires—that's all good), even if they haven't reached the full picture yet.
But as far as I can tell, there's nothing spiritual about your view.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#91 ·
Casey Jackson17 said:Look, beating death from a Christian perspective basically boils down to conquering sin, because if you follow the doctrine, sin is the whole reason everything alive eventually kicks the bucket... and let's be real, we can't tackle sin on our own, which is why we're saved through the Resurrection of Jesus if we actually buy in and live by that faith... honestly, the real hurdle is just believing that Jesus Christ is the living God who took on flesh and that He did indeed Resurrect... though, if you think about it, there's way more solid evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus than there is for half the stuff they shove down our throats in American history textbooks that we just blindly accept as gospel truth...

Sin is basically just learning through trial and error. It’s all action and reaction! I mean, can you even make any progress without learning things the hard way?
Sean Martinez4 Sean Martinez4 Active Member
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#92 ·
Hannah Thompson2 said:Care to elaborate? Are you actually implying that I'm just "clueless"?

God simply is what He is—it’s just that everyone’s knowledge and perception of Him varies.

It’s honestly a bit sad that your perspective is like this. Just so we're clear, I don't think people who haven't experienced God are "bad"—take Buddhists, for example. They don't worship God, yet they have plenty of positive values (striving for spirituality, growing personally, letting go of worldly desires—that's all good), even if they haven't reached the full picture yet.
But as far as I can tell, there's nothing spiritual about your view.

It’s just labels, purely labels! That's how Satanism started, please! It's basically worshipping a human being. Something divine can manifest on Earth as a "god," but it's never, ever actually "God" up there in the energy—that's just the metaphysical principle, the "divine."👍
"Christians" who don't put "god" in quotes are prone to (well) schizophrenia.👍😍☕
But you have to remember: the "divine" existed long, long before "Christians."👍
So, there's no such thing as exclusivity or searching for some massive divine principle in a tiny little Bible filled with small Jewish letters and a small "god" like Yahweh.😍 Which you might totally miss if you aren't reading carefully between the lines.😂😂😂
copperseal8 copperseal8 Newcomer
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#93 ·
God is light.
Hannah Thompson2 Hannah Thompson2 Active Member
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#94 ·
copperseal8 said:God is light.

Yeah, just like how Kristo used to talk about the light, right?
Hannah Thompson2 Hannah Thompson2 Active Member
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#95 ·
Sean Martinez4 said:It’s just labels, purely labels! That's how Satanism started, please! It's basically worshipping a human being. Something divine can manifest on Earth as a "god," but it's never, ever actually "God" up there in the energy—that's just the metaphysical principle, the "divine."👍
"Christians" who don't put "god" in quotes are prone to (well) schizophrenia.👍😍☕
But you have to remember: the "divine" existed long, long before "Christians."👍
So, there's no such thing as exclusivity or searching for some massive divine principle in a tiny little Bible filled with small Jewish letters and a small "god" like Yahweh.😍 Which you might totally miss if you aren't reading carefully between the lines.😂😂😂

No, actually, the first commandment is to kiss God the Father with all your heart, soul, and mind. Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.

Sean Martinez4 said:It’s just labels, purely labels! That's how Satanism started, please! It's basically worshipping a human being. Something divine can manifest on Earth as a "god," but it's never, ever actually "God" up there in the energy—that's just the metaphysical principle, the "divine."👍
"Christians" who don't put "god" in quotes are prone to (well) schizophrenia.👍😍☕
But you have to remember: the "divine" existed long, long before "Christians."👍
So, there's no such thing as exclusivity or searching for some massive divine principle in a tiny little Bible filled with small Jewish letters and a small "god" like Yahweh.😍 Which you might totally miss if you aren't reading carefully between the lines.😂😂😂

Back this up with some kind of actual argument.

Sean Martinez4 said:It’s just labels, purely labels! That's how Satanism started, please! It's basically worshipping a human being. Something divine can manifest on Earth as a "god," but it's never, ever actually "God" up there in the energy—that's just the metaphysical principle, the "divine."👍
"Christians" who don't put "god" in quotes are prone to (well) schizophrenia.👍😍☕
But you have to remember: the "divine" existed long, long before "Christians."👍
So, there's no such thing as exclusivity or searching for some massive divine principle in a tiny little Bible filled with small Jewish letters and a small "god" like Yahweh.😍 Which you might totally miss if you aren't reading carefully between the lines.😂😂😂

Well, obviously. God exists outside of past and future; He exists in eternity.

Sean Martinez4 said:It’s just labels, purely labels! That's how Satanism started, please! It's basically worshipping a human being. Something divine can manifest on Earth as a "god," but it's never, ever actually "God" up there in the energy—that's just the metaphysical principle, the "divine."👍
"Christians" who don't put "god" in quotes are prone to (well) schizophrenia.👍😍☕
But you have to remember: the "divine" existed long, long before "Christians."👍
So, there's no such thing as exclusivity or searching for some massive divine principle in a tiny little Bible filled with small Jewish letters and a small "god" like Yahweh.😍 Which you might totally miss if you aren't reading carefully between the lines.😂😂😂

How is any of that "small," and does it really matter whose letters they are?
copperseal8 copperseal8 Newcomer
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#96 ·
Hannah Thompson2 said:No, actually, the first commandment is to kiss God the Father with all your heart, soul, and mind. Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.

Back this up with some kind of actual argument.

Well, obviously. God exists outside of past and future; He exists in eternity.

How is any of that "small," and does it really matter whose letters they are?

Jews are problematic simply because they exist. If they were merely a fabrication, they would be considered good, much like the Atlanteans or Lemurians. Anything subject to verification is inherently flawed. It only serves to expose ignorance.
Sean Martinez4 Sean Martinez4 Active Member
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#97 ·
copperseal8 said:God is light.

Yeah, but there's darkness too, I guess. 😍 Since God can't really exist in duality, right? It's like that whole "Light shines in the darkness" thing when you realize
the divine is just a spark 👍
Sean Martinez4 Sean Martinez4 Active Member
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#98 ·
Hannah Thompson2 said:Yeah, just like how Kristo used to talk about the light, right?

I guess you haven't even read the Gospel of Thomas, which is the only reliable one, you sleepyhead. 👍
Sean Martinez4 Sean Martinez4 Active Member
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#99 ·
Hannah Thompson2 said:No, actually, the first commandment is to kiss God the Father with all your heart, soul, and mind. Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.

Back this up with some kind of actual argument.

Well, obviously. God exists outside of past and future; He exists in eternity.

How is any of that "small," and does it really matter whose letters they are?

The reason people get screwed over by thinking it's "all small" or strictly Bible-only is because of groups like the Native Americans, 😍 the Cathars, 😍 and the Templars. 😍 👍
And I guess everyone else who isn't limited by their own mind or spirit will end up in the same boat. 😍
Like, if you asked Native Americans if they believed in God and Christ his son,
they'd say they worship the spirit that's present in everything. We all know how that turned out. 😂😂😂
What if I said the first commandment was "love your daughter who is the Holy Spirit"? Would that really be such a huge deal?
Am I wrong then? Am I headed to hell just for being an idiot? 😛 🤣
Sean Martinez4 Sean Martinez4 Active Member
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#100 ·
copperseal8 said:Jews are problematic simply because they exist. If they were merely a fabrication, they would be considered good, much like the Atlanteans or Lemurians. Anything subject to verification is inherently flawed. It only serves to expose ignorance.

Yeah. You should probably check out verses 39 and 43 since you brought up the Jewish people 🙂

Note: It’s funny how students act so dense when Jesus says "living God"—they don't even hear the ".. living" part, they just catch "God."
Those literal-minded fools did the same thing in verse 22: they miss "be like children" and just see "..children." Same thing in verse 46. They get tripped up by the nouns instead of focusing on the descriptive adjectives 🙂 which really needs to be looked at alongside verse 28.
In verses 32 and 33, it's like they completely missed the point 🙂 as if, in their holy quest for knowledge, they didn't see how his advice applied to everything in verse 39. I mean, that crowd ended up killing him precisely because he wasn't acting the way they expected. Is he being a total demagogue here? 😍

I agree with every single saying and find them all pretty practical for everyday life. Verse 55 is the most interesting one to me, though—I don't really agree unless he actually meant: "don't let them walk all over you." 😉

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