Ivana Rimac's article on young Palestinians

I was scrolling through The New York Times today when an article by Ivanka Rimac caught my eye—it covers an interview an Arab TV station conducted with two young Palestinians, children of a woman who carried out a suicide attack.

Now, sure, that’s a headline that grabs attention, and I get why they want those clicks, but just like so many times before, this kind of reporting pulls facts out of context. It misleads anyone who isn't deeply familiar with the situation, and honestly, news outlets shouldn't be presenting stories this way.

This piece fits right into that media narrative that paints Palestinians solely as terrorists. While global media has started to shift its perspective lately, the US—much like in so many other areas—is still lagging behind. For a long time, the world reported on these conflicts using models like, "Israelis retaliate following a Palestinian suicide bomber," which is incredibly one-sided and flat-out wrong. It completely ignores the broader reality: that Israel has occupied Palestinian territories, and these people have been living in what feels like a concentration camp for decades—denied the ability to go to work, see a doctor, or even attend school. But you don't hear much about that, do you?

Coming back to this specific article: the writer focuses on how "shocking" the interview is, claiming these kids are being taught to harbor hatred and that they actually boast about their mother killing five Israelis.

What really bothers me is that Ivanka Rimac didn't include any of the surrounding details that would have provided a complete picture.

For instance, she failed to mention that
- over 60% of Palestinian schoolchildren in the occupied territories suffer from PTSD (!!) - which obviously has massive consequences, though I wonder if most readers even know what PTSD entails. It's the same story with everything else:
- there is absolutely zero mention of the horrific, camp-like conditions within the occupied Palestinian territories.
- there's no mention of how Israeli authorities block humanitarian organizations from delivering aid and medicine, creating massive hurdles where groups are forced to pay exorbitant fees to Israelis just to get basic relief through.
There are even instances where Israeli soldiers at checkpoints prevent pregnant women from reaching doctors for checkups.

-And she doesn't even touch upon the fact that when the USA provided humanitarian aid to Palestinians, it was a mere fraction—maybe 15 to 20 times less—than the aid sent to Israel, specifically in the form of weaponry (!!).
I could go on with examples like this until tomorrow.

Neither Ivanka nor any other American news outlet seems to write about the numerous joint humanitarian and social initiatives involving both Palestinians and Israelis. Both sides actually have strong grassroots movements working to bridge these divides and move past political bickering.

None of that makes it into the article; instead, we get a totally skewed view of a single event. It's like if a newspaper reported that Americans killed 1,000 Mexicans, focusing only on a detail like how Nick P. killed Slavoljub R. on his own doorstep, without providing any context whatsoever. Naturally, someone uninformed would look at that and conclude there's a genocide happening in America. That's exactly what's happening here.

I truly wonder what the point of journalism is anymore, and if reporters even realize their role in society. Their job should be to build understanding, not to fuel division and misunderstanding through biased writing.

It’s like we haven't seen this before 😬 I remember last year, around the anniversary of the Holocaust or whatever, when some walls crushed a Palestinian girl for no reason at all. CBS ran the story on the news at 10 AM, and by noon, it was totally gone. 😬

Fortunately, this kind of behavior is becoming increasingly rare on the global stage.

A few years back, two professors from an American university published a book about how news coverage regarding that region is constantly misrepresented. I can't recall the exact title right now—my memory is failing me there. Essentially, the reporting follows two distorted patterns. One is this: whenever Israelis strike Palestinians, causing massive casualties and destroying countless homes, it’s framed as a "retaliation" or a "response" to some Palestinian suicide attack, conveniently leaving out the decades of occupation and everything else.

I forgot to mention that Palestinians lack even basic rights within the Israeli environment. For instance, while Palestinian embassies or consulates might be located in Israel, they aren't actually allowed in—they can't get to work or even reach hospitals. And if they need to travel abroad, they have to spend two days just trying to exit Israel and Palestine, enduring humiliating processes along the way, only to eventually fly to their destination from a foreign airport.

In my signature, you'll find a link to a blog by a woman from Gaza who writes quite a bit about all of this (From Gaza with Love), and here is this specific article: Palestine: Turning freedom of movement into a farce

There's plenty more to it; journalists like Ivana Rimac and others cover these issues occasionally too.

Instead of actually attempting to describe the reality of the situation—assuming one can even grasp it at this point—they just feed people half-truths and misinformation. In my view, she and everyone else writing like that are essentially just fueling the fires of the conflict currently unfolding there.

Taylor Campbell4 said:Instead of actually attempting to describe the reality of the situation—assuming one can even grasp it at this point—they just feed people half-truths and misinformation. In my view, she and everyone else writing like that are essentially just fueling the fires of the conflict currently unfolding there.

It’s hard to get the full picture when Jewish interests control the media outlets...

But honestly, the Palestinians themselves—and even the Arabs—don't really care anymore.

Why bother looking for sympathy from outsiders? Nobody is going to help them, and nobody *can* help them. The UN is a joke of an organization, totally under the thumb of the USA and Israel. The rest of the world is too busy dealing with its own mess... Journalists know about this deadlock, but they couldn't care less...

Just look at that whole situation with the British sailors... they showed them on Iranian TV, just regular guys eating, fish heading home... The Brits call the footage "disturbing" and "unacceptable"... WELL, DO THEY EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT? Not after Abu Ghraib and those photos... how many times did they lose it on that Iraqi woman in Abu Ghraib? But the media stays quiet... They're paid off, and besides, they're being blackmailed... Pathetic...

The Palestinians know exactly where they stand too... they don't give a damn about whatever nonsense some politicians are shouting about.

Even now, with how Bush foolishly dragged the entire Middle East into this mess, with the Iranians opening up the channel and weapons flowing down there every single day... nobody in that region is ever going to be safe again.

Like I mentioned before, I’m not a pessimist. Things are tough, sure, but nothing is impossible. (And look, there isn't anything inherently wrong with Israelis as a people—you find all sorts of individuals there, and the current leadership is certainly a mixed bag. There are plenty of Jews who want to see the occupation of Palestine ended, people who support Palestinians in every way possible or cooperate with them, and those who refuse to serve in an Israeli military that, in many instances, feels uncomfortably similar to Nazi forces... In fact, some Israeli soldiers have even stated they feel like Nazis because of their service. There was actually an article in Chile about this http://share-international.net /hrv/publikacije/si_novo.htm#prioriteti (check the bottom of the section); they suffer from PTSD due to these actions, and their families suffer alongside them.)

The truth is powerful, and in the end, it usually wins out. Information is reaching the public more than ever now—though, as I’ve said, we’ve been a bit slow to catch up on this front.

Palestinians don't need mere pity from others; what they need is for people to be informed. When people aren't aware of a crisis, they don't take action. Bush won't be in power forever, nor will the USA continue to send mountains of weapons to Israel while giving Palestine nothing but crumbs and shielding Israel with vetoes at the UN indefinitely. The world won't just watch this happen forever—though, granted, one might be skeptical given how passively the world has watched for so many years, not that I'm saying otherwise.

We live in a world governed by the principle that everything comes back around—what goes around comes around, or as the old saying goes, "you reap what you sow." It’s a good thing, really. Everything will eventually balance itself out.

Nicholas Gomez4 said:It’s hard to get the full picture when Jewish interests control the media outlets...

But honestly, the Palestinians themselves—and even the Arabs—don't really care anymore.

Why bother looking for sympathy from outsiders? Nobody is going to help them, and nobody *can* help them. The UN is a joke of an organization, totally under the thumb of the USA and Israel. The rest of the world is too busy dealing with its own mess... Journalists know about this deadlock, but they couldn't care less...

Just look at that whole situation with the British sailors... they showed them on Iranian TV, just regular guys eating, fish heading home... The Brits call the footage "disturbing" and "unacceptable"... WELL, DO THEY EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT? Not after Abu Ghraib and those photos... how many times did they lose it on that Iraqi woman in Abu Ghraib? But the media stays quiet... They're paid off, and besides, they're being blackmailed... Pathetic...

The Palestinians know exactly where they stand too... they don't give a damn about whatever nonsense some politicians are shouting about.

Even now, with how Bush foolishly dragged the entire Middle East into this mess, with the Iranians opening up the channel and weapons flowing down there every single day... nobody in that region is ever going to be safe again.

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Here we go again—another bit of constructive criticism regarding Israel's policy!

Nicholas Gomez4 said:It’s hard to get the full picture when Jewish interests control the media outlets...

But honestly, the Palestinians themselves—and even the Arabs—don't really care anymore.

Why bother looking for sympathy from outsiders? Nobody is going to help them, and nobody *can* help them. The UN is a joke of an organization, totally under the thumb of the USA and Israel. The rest of the world is too busy dealing with its own mess... Journalists know about this deadlock, but they couldn't care less...

Just look at that whole situation with the British sailors... they showed them on Iranian TV, just regular guys eating, fish heading home... The Brits call the footage "disturbing" and "unacceptable"... WELL, DO THEY EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT? Not after Abu Ghraib and those photos... how many times did they lose it on that Iraqi woman in Abu Ghraib? But the media stays quiet... They're paid off, and besides, they're being blackmailed... Pathetic...

The Palestinians know exactly where they stand too... they don't give a damn about whatever nonsense some politicians are shouting about.

Even now, with how Bush foolishly dragged the entire Middle East into this mess, with the Iranians opening up the channel and weapons flowing down there every single day... nobody in that region is ever going to be safe again.

That’s exactly it! Jews control the media, Jews control the finances... therefore, Jews control the world. Is it really too much to ask for a little bit of criticism directed toward Israel?

Actually, if you look at it closely, the real equation is this: Don't let fear take hold, America. Just remember—Israel has your back. 😍

Nicholas Gomez4 said:It’s hard to get the full picture when Jewish interests control the media outlets...

But honestly, the Palestinians themselves—and even the Arabs—don't really care anymore.

Why bother looking for sympathy from outsiders? Nobody is going to help them, and nobody *can* help them. The UN is a joke of an organization, totally under the thumb of the USA and Israel. The rest of the world is too busy dealing with its own mess... Journalists know about this deadlock, but they couldn't care less...

Just look at that whole situation with the British sailors... they showed them on Iranian TV, just regular guys eating, fish heading home... The Brits call the footage "disturbing" and "unacceptable"... WELL, DO THEY EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT? Not after Abu Ghraib and those photos... how many times did they lose it on that Iraqi woman in Abu Ghraib? But the media stays quiet... They're paid off, and besides, they're being blackmailed... Pathetic...

The Palestinians know exactly where they stand too... they don't give a damn about whatever nonsense some politicians are shouting about.

Even now, with how Bush foolishly dragged the entire Middle East into this mess, with the Iranians opening up the channel and weapons flowing down there every single day... nobody in that region is ever going to be safe again.

No, that wasn't propaganda at all... we're talking on par with China or Cuba here. 😍

Nicholas Gomez4 said:It’s hard to get the full picture when Jewish interests control the media outlets...

But honestly, the Palestinians themselves—and even the Arabs—don't really care anymore.

Why bother looking for sympathy from outsiders? Nobody is going to help them, and nobody *can* help them. The UN is a joke of an organization, totally under the thumb of the USA and Israel. The rest of the world is too busy dealing with its own mess... Journalists know about this deadlock, but they couldn't care less...

Just look at that whole situation with the British sailors... they showed them on Iranian TV, just regular guys eating, fish heading home... The Brits call the footage "disturbing" and "unacceptable"... WELL, DO THEY EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT? Not after Abu Ghraib and those photos... how many times did they lose it on that Iraqi woman in Abu Ghraib? But the media stays quiet... They're paid off, and besides, they're being blackmailed... Pathetic...

The Palestinians know exactly where they stand too... they don't give a damn about whatever nonsense some politicians are shouting about.

Even now, with how Bush foolishly dragged the entire Middle East into this mess, with the Iranians opening up the channel and weapons flowing down there every single day... nobody in that region is ever going to be safe again.

I see the same old crowd bickering again, but they’re picking fights with all the wrong people. It's honestly exhausting. While they’re busy calling for more civilian casualties, the Canadians—instead of actually standing up against the ones who attacked them back in '92 (honestly, if they hadn't had weapons, they could have just gone and scattered themselves across New York City or Nashville)—they ended up ethnically cleansing Americans. Well, the ones who were left, anyway. And of course, you have the "bravest" among them leading some sort of jihad from halfway across the world in places like Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the USA, Canada, and Australia. Most of them are likely being funded by those very same countries through various social welfare programs. It's a cycle.

And here we go again with that classic "The Walls control the world" line.

Right on its heels comes the claim that "Israel is just an extension of George Bush."

Or basically, "The Walls are the ones calling the shots in America."

So, I guess if Jews run the planet, then Americans must be running the entire universe.

urbancrane13 said:And here we go again with that classic "The Walls control the world" line.

Right on its heels comes the claim that "Israel is just an extension of George Bush."

Or basically, "The Walls are the ones calling the shots in America."

So, I guess if Jews run the planet, then Americans must be running the entire universe.

No, it’s not all of them—just certain groups of Jews. Not the hundred or so who are actually decent (Neturei Karta... who were recently in Iran), but rather those other five-plus million American Jews (the bad actors, the Zionists) who run the USA.

And honestly... if the American people truly understood what was happening here—if they realized how much damage these wicked Zionists are inflicting on the good American people—they would wipe those evil Zionists off the face of the Earth... or at least off the face of America 🙂.

No, this isn't meant as a call for violence 😍

Basically, they're using the exact same logic Hitler used back in the day: "The Wall is responsible for everything."

Honestly, I don't get this obsession some Western hypocrites have with being "sympathetic to the Palestinians." Like, what's their angle? Every single one of them probably has a neighbor beating his wife, or kids starving in the apartment next door, or some mini-Palestine happening right on their own street. But hey, if you want to play the humanitarian card, go ahead.

But they aren't actually humanitarians, just like Adolf wasn't.

Total lunatics.

There’s simply no place closer to the reality of Palestine than Palestine itself. You just don't see this kind of thing happening anywhere else in the world. We have Palestine, we have Guantanamo Bay, and we have Iraq—these are the places where these things are unfolding right now, not on my street. There aren't many other countries where people face such extreme restrictions on their movement (unless you count a prison), and that's not even touching upon the horrors occurring there.

And honestly, looking at the comments above... they're laughable. I can't believe I'm seeing stuff like this on a forum in this century. 👍

BTW

Some Israeli soldiers "feel like Nazis"

Tristan Troudart, a psychiatrist and director of the Psychiatric hospital rehabilitation department at Kfar Shaul in Jerusalem, recently told an interview with a Spanish newspaper that there is a total shortage of medication and medical supplies in the occupied territories, and that Israeli pilots constantly break the sound barrier specifically to distress Palestinians. Troudart is also a member of the Israeli non-governmental Association Physicians for Human Rights (PHR), which was founded back in 1988 by feminist psychologist Ruchama Marton. PHR works closely with both Arab and Israeli doctors and psychiatrists. Over time, the Association has uncovered instances where certain Israeli doctors participated in the torture of Palestinian prisoners, which is a direct violation of the Hippocratic Oath.

Troudart explained that many Israeli soldiers are facing horrific situations and massive moral dilemmas. He reports that many suffer from severe depression and say they "feel like Nazis," which, according to Troudart, is especially traumatic for Israelis. Consequently, because of the "separation wall," it isn't just the Palestinians who are suffering—Israeli soldiers and their families are too, reporting increasing domestic violence, absenteeism, and "severe depressions that lead to deep moral and existential crises." (Source: El País, Spain)

If there is any shred of humanity left in you, I’m asking you to please refrain from mocking or gloating over the suffering of these people.

Keep comments that aren't relevant to this topic somewhere else.

Who even cared about those people's suffering anyway?

I'm telling you straight, shadowjackal88.

My post gets nuked, yet hers stays up...

Ivana Rimac really nailed this article! It totally exposes Hamas and their brainwashing tactics for what they actually are.

So, there's this heartbreaking story about a 7-year-old boy who lost his life yesterday because of his dad's hand grenade in Gaza. Turns out the father is a Hamas member. Also, things are still heating up over there—Hamas guys set an ambush for some Fatah men and managed to wound seven of them.

Fighting between Hamas and Fatah continued yesterday in The Northern Gaza strip, with Hamas gunmen ambushing and wounding a detachment of seven Fatah men. Apparently, the locals stepped up to protect the Fatah men.

Hamas operative was killed yesterday in The Gaza strip When a hand grenade went OFF inside The family home

Look, man... the walls are crooked... because they’re the ones pulling the strings...😬

Anyway, just so we are all on the same page regarding what this thread is actually about, here is the original article from Jutarnji. Right here you can find the original recording of the conversation along with the transcript.

And one more thing—about the PTSD suffered by a three-year-old child from Egypt due to the Israeli occupation. Here is the transcript. Pay close attention to her reasoning for hating Jews—apparently, it’s because they are descendants of monkeys and pigs... and she claims that's what God said in the Quran. Plus, there's the bit about how a Jewish woman tried to poison Muhammad... so, clearly, we are looking at yet another piece of constructive criticism regarding Israeli policy. Granted, it's coming from the seventh century. 😬

Taylor Campbell4 said:I was scrolling through The New York Times today when an article by Ivanka Rimac caught my eye—it covers an interview an Arab TV station conducted with two young Palestinians, children of a woman who carried out a suicide attack.

Now, sure, that’s a headline that grabs attention, and I get why they want those clicks, but just like so many times before, this kind of reporting pulls facts out of context. It misleads anyone who isn't deeply familiar with the situation, and honestly, news outlets shouldn't be presenting stories this way.

This piece fits right into that media narrative that paints Palestinians solely as terrorists. While global media has started to shift its perspective lately, the US—much like in so many other areas—is still lagging behind. For a long time, the world reported on these conflicts using models like, "Israelis retaliate following a Palestinian suicide bomber," which is incredibly one-sided and flat-out wrong. It completely ignores the broader reality: that Israel has occupied Palestinian territories, and these people have been living in what feels like a concentration camp for decades—denied the ability to go to work, see a doctor, or even attend school. But you don't hear much about that, do you?

Coming back to this specific article: the writer focuses on how "shocking" the interview is, claiming these kids are being taught to harbor hatred and that they actually boast about their mother killing five Israelis.

What really bothers me is that Ivanka Rimac didn't include any of the surrounding details that would have provided a complete picture.

For instance, she failed to mention that
- over 60% of Palestinian schoolchildren in the occupied territories suffer from PTSD (!!) - which obviously has massive consequences, though I wonder if most readers even know what PTSD entails. It's the same story with everything else:
- there is absolutely zero mention of the horrific, camp-like conditions within the occupied Palestinian territories.
- there's no mention of how Israeli authorities block humanitarian organizations from delivering aid and medicine, creating massive hurdles where groups are forced to pay exorbitant fees to Israelis just to get basic relief through.
There are even instances where Israeli soldiers at checkpoints prevent pregnant women from reaching doctors for checkups.

-And she doesn't even touch upon the fact that when the USA provided humanitarian aid to Palestinians, it was a mere fraction—maybe 15 to 20 times less—than the aid sent to Israel, specifically in the form of weaponry (!!).
I could go on with examples like this until tomorrow.

Neither Ivanka nor any other American news outlet seems to write about the numerous joint humanitarian and social initiatives involving both Palestinians and Israelis. Both sides actually have strong grassroots movements working to bridge these divides and move past political bickering.

None of that makes it into the article; instead, we get a totally skewed view of a single event. It's like if a newspaper reported that Americans killed 1,000 Mexicans, focusing only on a detail like how Nick P. killed Slavoljub R. on his own doorstep, without providing any context whatsoever. Naturally, someone uninformed would look at that and conclude there's a genocide happening in America. That's exactly what's happening here.

I truly wonder what the point of journalism is anymore, and if reporters even realize their role in society. Their job should be to build understanding, not to fuel division and misunderstanding through biased writing.

I suppose one might wonder how you would even label a woman who detonates herself and takes five human beings with her? 😲 😲

And then there’s the matter of a three-year-old boy and a five-year-old girl being made aware of their mother's supposed "heroism," essentially being raised from infancy to harbor hatred toward Jews. I can't help but wonder what kind of future lies ahead for them once they actually grow up...👎 👎 👎

Roger Robinson682 said:I suppose one might wonder how you would even label a woman who detonates herself and takes five human beings with her? 😲 😲

And then there’s the matter of a three-year-old boy and a five-year-old girl being made aware of their mother's supposed "heroism," essentially being raised from infancy to harbor hatred toward Jews. I can't help but wonder what kind of future lies ahead for them once they actually grow up...👎 👎 👎

Well, you can expect them to become the next generation of fighters... defending their homeland just like any man with a shred of honor would.

Or maybe they should just ditch the patriotism and let themselves be kicked out by whatever crowd migrated here from Russia or wherever else...

I see the same old arguments popping up again, but they’re being aimed at all the wrong people. Because while everyone here is busy calling for more civilian casualties—which is exactly what this thread is about (this woman basically invited attacks on civilians)—the truth is being ignored. Instead of focusing on those who actually targeted them back in '92—and honestly, if they were truly unarmed, they could have just dispersed through New York City or Nashville—they went out of their way to ethnically cleanse Americans. Those who weren't wiped out, anyway. Meanwhile, the "bravest" among them are over there leading jihads from Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the USA, Canada, and Australia... most of them likely funded by those very same countries through various social welfare programs.