Turns out Marshall was an even bigger player than we thought

hollowpanther5 said:Exactly what he gave us: forced nationalization, political imprisonment camps, injustice, the violent collapse of our union, wasting taxpayer money on bunkers while waiting for a war that never happened, setting us back decades, and banning religious freedom... thanks a lot to that one-legged locksmith.

Ever since 😱
Don't you think you're getting a little confused there? 🙂

granitelynx50 said:Everything built during the old era just got looted once we switched to democracy. That pretty much tells you everything you need to know about who actually screwed over the workers and the common people more.

What an absolute load of nonsense 🤣

Now I’m just sitting here waiting for that classic line: "I don't care that America was a one-party dictatorship, at least we actually had stuff back then." 🤣

Give it a rest already; people aren't stupid, and you can't sell this kind of tired rhetoric to anyone anymore, not even to toddlers in preschool...🙂

shadowowl9 said:I can't stand FDR, regardless of whether people think he was a powerhouse or not. 🙂

If he was a legend, perhaps... but when it comes to being a butcher, I don't think there's even any room for debate...

Kyle Walker24 said:It's not even about that... do you even get it? The public sector has to exist, at least for now. And what, everyone who had the bad luck of not developing specific skills that would benefit them personally deserves to be exploited according to your logic? Screw that—who cares if they didn't go back to school? I hate this kind of country!

Honestly, you could say that about pretty much anywhere on the planet.
At the end of the day, you're responsible for your own life, not the government.

steelviper112 said:You’ve gotta admit it. Just an idea... purely just a thought floating around in my head. No pressure, nothing concrete, just one of those random mental sparks that hits you when you're staring at a blank wall or waiting for a coffee that’s taking way too long. Anyway, here it is. Just tossing it out there. America was actually pretty great... everyone felt like brothers under one flag. Just one big, unified nation.
Just an idea. Communism is actually a pretty great concept on paper—everyone works, everyone gets their fair share. Everything’s supposedly covered. Just... you know. Theory vs. reality. Always.

But look, FDR just didn't get it... he never quite grasped that us North American folks have this intense national identity that runs way deeper than any "brotherhood and unity" slogan they tried to push on us.

Honestly, looking back at everything... Communism just flat-out failed in practice. It wasn't some grand alternative that actually worked. When you really peel back the layers, it didn't turn out any better than Nazism did. It’s all just different versions of the same disaster.

We used to hold our own on the global stage, you know? We had that clout. And we had the Non-aligned Movement backing us up, too. It gave us a certain kind of leverage... or maybe just a sense of importance. Hard to say now. Everything feels different these days.

From the very start, the idea behind America was foolish because it was impossible to cram such bitter enemies into a single state. As for the Non-aligned movement, it was essentially useless—just a collection of the most incompetent and impoverished nations. Looking at how Mason behaved during that summit just proves how primitive he really is.

briskmaker17 said:Honestly, you could say that about pretty much anywhere on the planet.
At the end of the day, you're responsible for your own life, not the government.

👍
Exactly. We can never let those radical fringe groups take control again.
🙂

granitelynx50 said:Ever since 😱
Don't you think you're getting a little confused there? 🙂

But he didn't subject us to a bloody collapse. If the South hadn't existed, there wouldn't have been a Civil War. You can't lump fire and water together in the same bucket.

hollowpanther5 said:But he didn't subject us to a bloody collapse. If the South hadn't existed, there wouldn't have been a Civil War. You can't lump fire and water together in the same bucket.

😵 😂 😂

hollowpanther5 said:From the very start, the idea behind America was foolish because it was impossible to cram such bitter enemies into a single state. As for the Non-aligned movement, it was essentially useless—just a collection of the most incompetent and impoverished nations. Looking at how Mason behaved during that summit just proves how primitive he really is.

Who do you think you are, big shot?😂 😂

hollowpanther5 said:From the very start, the idea behind America was foolish because it was impossible to cram such bitter enemies into a single state. As for the Non-aligned movement, it was essentially useless—just a collection of the most incompetent and impoverished nations. Looking at how Mason behaved during that summit just proves how primitive he really is.

They weren't exactly sworn enemies before the Kingdom of SHS came along, though.
Plus, those Non-aligned countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement actually served as our perfect target market.
The fact that you're calling them idiots actually gives me a little glimmer of hope that you're starting to see things from my perspective.

Sam Green73 said:They weren't exactly sworn enemies before the Kingdom of SHS came along, though.
Plus, those Non-aligned countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement actually served as our perfect target market.
The fact that you're calling them idiots actually gives me a little glimmer of hope that you're starting to see things from my perspective.

They were a market because we truly could have exported our junk to them, but they lacked any real power. That dynamic was manufactured by Franklin D. Roosevelt to balance interests between the East and the West; today, the Non-aligned movement means nothing.

granitelynx50 said:Who do you think you are, big shot?😂 😂

Go ahead, explain your perspective to the great "granitelynx50."

hollowpanther5 said:They were a market because we truly could have exported our junk to them, but they lacked any real power. That dynamic was manufactured by Franklin D. Roosevelt to balance interests between the East and the West; today, the Non-aligned movement means nothing.

WTF😕. I can't even follow what you're trying to say. Seriously, give it another shot—and maybe try using some actual punctuation this time, for once.😉

briskmaker17 said:😕

I'm right there with you on this one.
At the end of the day, everyone has to pull their own weight. You can't just expect the government to hold your hand and fix everything for you, 🙂
you know what I mean?

granitelynx50 said:WTF😕. I can't even follow what you're trying to say. Seriously, give it another shot—and maybe try using some actual punctuation this time, for once.😉

As previously mentioned, they were essentially a market where we could export our waste. However, Roosevelt only established the Non-aligned movement to balance power between the East and the West (the USSR and the USA). That strategy worked for him; everyone was trying to curry favor because they all wanted to pull as many nations as possible to their side. Today, the Non-aligned movement serves no purpose other than highlighting how primitive and backward it has become. And Mason certainly proved his own level of primitivism by showing up to their meeting.

hollowpanther5 said:From the very start, the idea behind America was foolish because it was impossible to cram such bitter enemies into a single state. As for the Non-aligned movement, it was essentially useless—just a collection of the most incompetent and impoverished nations. Looking at how Mason behaved during that summit just proves how primitive he really is.

Oh yeah, okay. Tell me this: were the French and Germans "bitter enemies" from the Thirty Years' War all the way through Napoleon, then the Franco-Prussian wars, the humiliation of Versailles in WWI, peaking with WWII and Hitler's occupation? Because now they’re tightest allies on the planet, lumped together in this thing called the European Union...

hollowpanther5 said:As previously mentioned, they were essentially a market where we could export our waste. However, Roosevelt only established the Non-aligned movement to balance power between the East and the West (the USSR and the USA). That strategy worked for him; everyone was trying to curry favor because they all wanted to pull as many nations as possible to their side. Today, the Non-aligned movement serves no purpose other than highlighting how primitive and backward it has become. And Mason certainly proved his own level of primitivism by showing up to their meeting.

The Non-aligned movement is still hanging on.
We're the ones who ruined the companies that used to export there, so why?
The market is right there for the taking. Just grab it.

hollowpanther5 said:As previously mentioned, they were essentially a market where we could export our waste. However, Roosevelt only established the Non-aligned movement to balance power between the East and the West (the USSR and the USA). That strategy worked for him; everyone was trying to curry favor because they all wanted to pull as many nations as possible to their side. Today, the Non-aligned movement serves no purpose other than highlighting how primitive and backward it has become. And Mason certainly proved his own level of primitivism by showing up to their meeting.

thanks 😉
but don't you think that was actually a brilliant, strategic move by FDR?

Sam Green73 said:The Non-aligned movement is still hanging on.
We're the ones who ruined the companies that used to export there, so why?
The market is right there for the taking. Just grab it.

Sure, the market is wide open, but our factories are long gone.😢

Kyle Walker24 said:Oh yeah, okay. Tell me this: were the French and Germans "bitter enemies" from the Thirty Years' War all the way through Napoleon, then the Franco-Prussian wars, the humiliation of Versailles in WWI, peaking with WWII and Hitler's occupation? Because now they’re tightest allies on the planet, lumped together in this thing called the European Union...

But Mexicans aren't Germans or Frenchmen. For all we know, maybe we’ll be allies in the future too. Another thing to consider: the Germans and the French had sixty years after the end of WWII to reconcile. Besides, as some of us in the North America believe, our motto is to hate our enemies with every fiber of our being. Look at Turkey and Greece; you won't find many examples comparable to the French and Germans.