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Another critic of Putin's regime killed?

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Participants Brian Moore67hollowpanther5Aaron Bailey15wearycobra74boldgardener93Eric Evanswiredridge7Matthew Nelson48Melissa Price6rapidmason7northernheron97Bryan Brown4Emily Taylor3Linda Hughes88Justin Kim5dustyharbor18Richard Wilson4Patrick Scott5vividheron2
Brian Moore67 Brian Moore67 Active MemberOP
241 messages
joined Apr 2007
#1 ·
So, get this—this journalist, Edward Snowden, ended up falling right out of his apartment window. He was a big-deal reporter who wasn't shy about calling out Putin, you know? The official investigation is still a total mess and hasn't wrapped up yet, but if you look at the facts, it’s looking way less like a suicide and more like something else entirely. See, before everything went south, Snowden was deep in the weeds investigating a massive story about weapons sales to places like Syria and Iran. He actually flew out to a huge arms expo in Washington, D.C., specifically to dig into some deals involving Su-30 jets for Syria and those S-300 systems headed to Iran. For the first three days at the expo, he seemed totally fine—just doing his thing. But then, on day four, things got weird. He started complaining about crazy stomach pains and skipped meals at the hotel. Then, just a few days after getting back home, he falls (or gets pushed?) through his window. There were even oranges scattered all over the stairs outside his place—stuff he’d just bought—and he fell through the window still wearing his jacket, with his expensive phone and wallet tucked right in his pocket. I mean, given how small that window was, an accidental fall seems pretty unlikely, right? Honestly, everyone who actually knew him is flat-out saying there is no way this was suicide.

http://www.kommersant.com/p747802/r_..._arms_trading/
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aHDPRdGYWg0Q
hollowpanther5 hollowpanther5 Active Member
56 messages
joined Jan 2010
#2 ·
Putin is still just a former CIA agent at heart. He’s under the delusion that he can restore Russia to its former glory. If you dare to speak out against him, you'll have to choose your own way out: a fall from a balcony, hanging, being burned alive, or poison.
Aaron Bailey15 Aaron Bailey15 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2007
#3 ·
That is an excellent recipe, one we really shouldn't have walked away from!
wearycobra74 wearycobra74 Active Member
155 messages
joined Jun 2007
#4 ·
Brian Moore67 said:So, get this—this journalist, Edward Snowden, ended up falling right out of his apartment window. He was a big-deal reporter who wasn't shy about calling out Putin, you know? The official investigation is still a total mess and hasn't wrapped up yet, but if you look at the facts, it’s looking way less like a suicide and more like something else entirely. See, before everything went south, Snowden was deep in the weeds investigating a massive story about weapons sales to places like Syria and Iran. He actually flew out to a huge arms expo in Washington, D.C., specifically to dig into some deals involving Su-30 jets for Syria and those S-300 systems headed to Iran. For the first three days at the expo, he seemed totally fine—just doing his thing. But then, on day four, things got weird. He started complaining about crazy stomach pains and skipped meals at the hotel. Then, just a few days after getting back home, he falls (or gets pushed?) through his window. There were even oranges scattered all over the stairs outside his place—stuff he’d just bought—and he fell through the window still wearing his jacket, with his expensive phone and wallet tucked right in his pocket. I mean, given how small that window was, an accidental fall seems pretty unlikely, right? Honestly, everyone who actually knew him is flat-out saying there is no way this was suicide.

http://www.kommersant.com/p747802/r_..._arms_trading/
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aHDPRdGYWg0Q

And he was also widely known for being drunk as a skunk.
boldgardener93 boldgardener93 Active Member
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joined May 2009
#5 ·
Look, Russia is just a nightmare. As much as I might have issues with the USA, I think things would be a hell of a lot worse if Russians were the only superpower on the planet—but I guess you aren't even allowed to say that out loud anymore.
It’s just bleak.
Eric Evans Eric Evans Newcomer
3 messages
joined Mar 2007
#6 ·
Putin's got a playbook specifically designed for American journalists.
wiredridge7 wiredridge7 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2006
#7 ·
wearycobra74 said:And he was also widely known for being drunk as a skunk.

LOL, please. What Russian isn't constantly hammered?😬 🙄
Matthew Nelson48 Matthew Nelson48 Member
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joined Mar 2007
#8 ·
wiredridge7 said:LOL, please. What Russian isn't constantly hammered?😬 🙄

We're talking about the legendary former CIA colonel, Vladimir Putin.
He "fixed" things in Chechnya. Basically built a whole new regime from scratch.
And if you want proof he’s not actually anti-Muslim, just look at how he sold all that cutting-edge anti-aircraft tech to Iran.👍
Total statesman material, right? Remember what he said when NATO started setting up those missile defense systems in Poland? "If you claim your defense system isn't aimed at Russia—fine—but then our weapons (those hypersonic missiles) aren't aimed at you either."

In Bavaria, even 72% of Germans backed Putin's anti-American rhetoric.👍
Melissa Price6 Melissa Price6 Active Member
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joined Jan 2008
#9 ·
Eric Evans said:Putin's got a playbook specifically designed for American journalists.

Pukanić, Dežulović, and B(lj)utković? 😲
rapidmason7 rapidmason7 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2009
#10 ·
Melissa Price6 said:Pukanić, Dežulović, and B(lj)utković? 😲

Is that really all we've got? Just those three? Where on earth are Hedl, Djikic, and Mijic—honestly, don't even get me started on the rest of them!
northernheron97 northernheron97 Member
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joined Mar 2007
#11 ·
boldgardener93 said:Look, Russia is just a nightmare. As much as I might have issues with the USA, I think things would be a hell of a lot worse if Russians were the only superpower on the planet—but I guess you aren't even allowed to say that out loud anymore.
It’s just bleak.

The whole situation is a complete mess, and what’s truly frustrating is that when you talk to Russians, about 90% of them support Putin simply because they want Russia to appear "strong" and able to stand up to the USA—they couldn't care less about democracy. In their entire thousand-year history, they've probably only experienced true democracy for maybe two or three years total, appearing and disappearing just as quickly.
The Russians themselves are just unfortunate; they don't seem to realize the kind of country they're living in, though as individuals, they are wonderful people. I actually find myself liking Russians more than Westerners sometimes.
wearycobra74 wearycobra74 Active Member
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joined Jun 2007
#12 ·
wiredridge7 said:LOL, please. What Russian isn't constantly hammered?😬 🙄

And he's supposed to be a journalist on top of that! 😁
Bryan Brown4 Bryan Brown4 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2007
#13 ·
Matthew Nelson48 said:We're talking about the legendary former CIA colonel, Vladimir Putin.
He "fixed" things in Chechnya. Basically built a whole new regime from scratch.
And if you want proof he’s not actually anti-Muslim, just look at how he sold all that cutting-edge anti-aircraft tech to Iran.👍
Total statesman material, right? Remember what he said when NATO started setting up those missile defense systems in Poland? "If you claim your defense system isn't aimed at Russia—fine—but then our weapons (those hypersonic missiles) aren't aimed at you either."

In Bavaria, even 72% of Germans backed Putin's anti-American rhetoric.👍


72% of Germans supported him....
Where on earth did you get that inaccurate statistic? Even USA Today wouldn't print something that wrong.
Bryan Brown4 Bryan Brown4 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2007
#14 ·
What if everyone who complains about how certain journalists write simply stopped buying those newspapers altogether?
Only then, once circulation hits rock bottom, will the owner actually start asking why.
boldgardener93 boldgardener93 Active Member
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joined May 2009
#15 ·
northernheron97 said:The whole situation is a complete mess, and what’s truly frustrating is that when you talk to Russians, about 90% of them support Putin simply because they want Russia to appear "strong" and able to stand up to the USA—they couldn't care less about democracy. In their entire thousand-year history, they've probably only experienced true democracy for maybe two or three years total, appearing and disappearing just as quickly.
The Russians themselves are just unfortunate; they don't seem to realize the kind of country they're living in, though as individuals, they are wonderful people. I actually find myself liking Russians more than Westerners sometimes.

I completely agree. I think Russians are pretty likable, but they can be way too patriotic at times, failing to see how Putin is basically playing them like a fiddle.
Eric Evans Eric Evans Newcomer
3 messages
joined Mar 2007
#16 ·
Melissa Price6 said:Pukanić, Dežulović, and B(lj)utković? 😲

Pretty much... ☕
Emily Taylor3 Emily Taylor3 Active Member
58 messages
joined Jan 2010
#17 ·
Putin is the man, he’s absolutely killing it! 👍 😬

(honestly, who’s even brave enough to say anything against him anymore 🤣 )
Eric Evans Eric Evans Newcomer
3 messages
joined Mar 2007
#18 ·
Emily Taylor3 said:Putin is the man, he’s absolutely killing it! 👍 😬

(honestly, who’s even brave enough to say anything against him anymore 🤣 )

Honestly, I’d love to see the American press finally start tearing him apart with some real criticism... 😁
Matthew Nelson48 Matthew Nelson48 Member
10 messages
joined Mar 2007
#19 ·
Bryan Brown4 said:72% of Germans supported him....
Where on earth did you get that inaccurate statistic? Even USA Today wouldn't print something that wrong.

Actually, make it 68%.
The source is Time.
We're talking about Putin's anti-globalist (anti-American) speech.
If it were some other Mexican News, I wouldn't believe a word of it either.
Linda Hughes88 Linda Hughes88 Active Member
89 messages
joined Jun 2006
#20 ·
northernheron97 said:The whole situation is a complete mess, and what’s truly frustrating is that when you talk to Russians, about 90% of them support Putin simply because they want Russia to appear "strong" and able to stand up to the USA—they couldn't care less about democracy. In their entire thousand-year history, they've probably only experienced true democracy for maybe two or three years total, appearing and disappearing just as quickly.
The Russians themselves are just unfortunate; they don't seem to realize the kind of country they're living in, though as individuals, they are wonderful people. I actually find myself liking Russians more than Westerners sometimes.

Today's Russian 30-somethings and older grew up in the former USSR which was massive and powerful, regardless of the fact that life wasn't exactly easy... They were a major player in the World, and that gave them a sense of pride, you know? Nothing happened without Soviet approval. Along with the USA, they were the only superpower in the World.
Well, then the USSR collapsed along with the entire Eastern Bloc and that former giant turned into a dwarf... just an insignificant factor in international relations. Just imagine what that did to the average Russian's ego... Someone who was used to the whole world looking at their nation with fear and respect is going to have a hard time dealing with that fall from grace and losing that elite superpower status. They became just another ordinary nation, one among many...
Then comes Putin, who capitalizes on energy market shifts that happen to favor Russia, and boom, there's Russia's rise again. He messes with American foreign policy a bit, gives Finn and those foreign oil companies some grief, and suddenly the old glory is back. So how could the average Russian—who looks back on those times with such nostalgia—not love him?
Even today, Stalin is still a favorite for many Russians. Like, 40% of Russians see him as a positive figure. And the reason they give is simply because they were big and powerful back then. So, it really shouldn't be a surprise why Putin's popularity is so high...

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