Are Indians lazy?

I haven't actually worked with anyone from India directly... just folks born in the United Kingdom..
Honestly, my experience has been incredibly positive. These people are absolute hustlers—you can't catch them sitting still, they're always hungry to get things done and move forward. They’re sharp, fast, and just efficient. It's like their brains were practically hardwired for tech..
I’d hire people like this in a heartbeat if I could actually afford them..😉

The ones I dealt with straight from India? I think they struggle with the language barrier way more than Eastern Europeans do. If you want someone with that level of educational and functional strength, Russians are the ones to look at.

vividheron2 said:Indians, along with those renowned technical institutes like ITT, have absolutely flooded North America with incredibly high-quality software talent. They are incredibly driven, they tend to guard their knowledge closely, and they operate with a level of collective cohesion that is quite remarkable; furthermore, because the competition back in India is so cutthroat, they are prepared to put in grueling hours that would be completely unimaginable to your average American. In India, it is actually quite rare for a junior developer to head home without having clocked at least 12 to 14 hours of work. Many people there work in shifts, and during crunch periods, you'll even find them sleeping right there at the office. There are great ones among them—truly exceptional professionals—but they adapt to the Western work culture very quickly and eventually start playing the corporate politics game. I find them to be significantly better at teamwork than the Chinese, who can often seem quite narrow-minded or limited in their approach. However, that dynamic changes drastically with the second generation of Chinese workers, where my experiences have been quite the exact opposite.

When you look at the sheer penetration of Indians and Chinese within tech firms across North America... well, regarding software staff, we are looking at something in the neighborhood of 80%. And that’s just one segment. There are very few Americans—Europeans in general, really—occupying top positions in these premier firms, whereas you see plenty of Mexicans.

Even aside from the fact that they would be working as software engineers in the USA... the real money is currently concentrated in Europe.

This is an absolute truth.

They are incredibly industrious, and they are aggressively driving down labor costs across almost all engineering disciplines, not just in IT.

Our Checkmark said:It’s not even that they don't want to work—they actually do more and more—but it’s often through certain shortcuts. The quality is almost always lacking, sometimes to an unacceptable degree.

I’ve come to feel that India is overhyped; there's a lot of noise, but not necessarily that much actual value.

India might have been the early mover, but looking at the competition today, there are plenty of other countries where you can get much higher quality outsourcing done.

The issue with Indians is that they come from a completely different culture, so integrating them into Western business processes takes a massive toll on your nerves. On average, they aren't as efficient or inventive as Europeans, Americans, or Japanese professionals.
For now, the investment makes sense because it's cheaper to hire 12 Indians than one German, but with countries like Romania emerging on the global IT map, I think that trend will shift. We won't see a massive exodus, but I expect future investments will lean more toward those regions.

That being said, there are definitely exceptions, and some of the world's top experts are from India. What I said above was just a general observation regarding the average.

Our Checkmark said:It’s pretty clear Americans need to patch their own software 😁 , though even Israeli tech isn't exactly hitting the mark. People tend to overhype it just because everyone else is such a disaster. 🙄

I’ve actually had hands-on experience working with the Israelis (specifically with their tech) and their software was honestly a nightmare... we're talking beyond amateur level. That said, the crew definitely had some heavy-hitting connections and inside tracks. 😁

Maybe I just ran into the wrong crowd at the Wall... because now I'm stuck using another piece of Israeli software at my new firm, and it's the same old story. At this point, it feels like a pattern!

vividheron2 said:So Dad managed to pump out $21.9 billion in value back in 2006... I wonder how much Mother America
has brought to the table?
http://www.tata.com/index.htm

$20 per person? Now that's impressive!!🤣

vividheron2 said:Mexicans aren't exactly dim, but they sure have an ego, and honestly, it usually works out for them. They always seem to land themselves in high-level roles like Project Management and things like that. I’ve got one guy in my department—it's been two years since I've even said a word to him, yet he acts like he doesn't even know who I am.
(Though, let's be real, this guy actually is pretty clueless.).

Maybe the guy is just ignoring you...😬

Rockefeller said:Indian professionals, especially those from their renowned technical institutes like ITT, have flooded North America with incredibly high-quality software talent. They are driven, they protect their knowledge, and they operate with a level of cohesion you rarely see. Because the competition back in India is so cutthroat, they are willing to put in grueling hours that an average American simply couldn't imagine. In India, it’s rare for a junior developer to head home without putting in 12 to 14 hours. Many work shifts, and during crunch times, some even sleep at the office. There are great ones out there—truly exceptional people—but they adapt to the Western work culture quickly and eventually move into management. They tend to be much better at teamwork than Chinese workers, who can sometimes feel limited or difficult to collaborate with. That dynamic changes drastically by the second generation, where my experiences have been quite the opposite.

The penetration of Indian and Chinese talent within North American tech firms... well, for software staff, it's easily around 80%. It's more than that. You don't see many Americans or Europeans in top-tier firms, though there is a fair amount of Mexican representation...

Even if they were software engineers in the US, the capital is currently flowing toward Europe...

Americans have been training them for years through education and research... essentially 😁preparing them for their own benefit😉...

Once they finish their studies in India, the US basically guarantees them a job—if not directly in America, then working remotely for American companies 😉 And don't be fooled into thinking an Indian worker will ever be lazy; instead, they'll work for a fraction of what any European would charge 🙂

And like Rockefeller mentioned, it's hard to find Americans, Germans, or other high-cost groups in top-tier firms because companies just can't justify the expense 😁 I'm speaking from experience 😁